Soo true adumbrodeus, and they don't change their minds until they play marth for themselves. why is it so hard to believe that the move is horrendous?
Well, it has applications, but only on punishment and really good prediction, oh and chaingrab. It's probably Marth's worst kill move overall.
Seriously, is it so hard to check frame data when somebody is saying a move is unsafe and realize that
Ike can F-SMASH YOU on tippered f-smash hitting shield. Seriously, -40 advantage, +8 for shielddrop, +29 for f-smash = -3.
And it's a respected TO for my region too, I'm planning on going to one of his tournies soon (I think he's still involved with them anyway).
also, thats true PD. dittos are extremely gay
No, gay isn't the right word. The pure unmasculinity of a marth ditto is an insult to gay people to be compared to.
THEY MADE ME TAKE UP MK! (as a secondary) This cannot be forgiven.