ADHD
Smash Hero
Am I the only one having trouble with bowser? All of the ones I have faced are always on a small stage where I can't camp for long, and are always very good at being defensive. He is just so fat he takes forever to kill also.
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Zelda+Sheik Matchup Listing
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Smash Lord
I rarely ever go for a power KO. As Sheik I realize that most of my moves will not KO early enough, and that this is a disadvantage.
As Sheik I also realize that her nair and bair weak versions are very effective alongside the fair for edge guarding and gimping. I have learned that she excels at gimp killing.
Try timing aerials off the edge when they are recovering. I tend to sh off with a nair out so the weak hit gets the recovering opponent, then follow with a double jump fair to finalize the gimp. Few characters recover from that. If they can, do it again, mix some bairs as well.
I've gimped ROBs with this, and they're known to come back.
jalued
Smash Lord
no way is toon link an easy match up. sure, if the player is a noob, using very easy and predictable movements of fsmash and down airs...
but as soon as u start playing back air spammers, it all falls apart. sheik has absolutely no priority over bair. TL just ***** her, i would even say a spamming back air and quick draw TL is almost impossible to beat with sheik. try playing "SOUP" if u want to test this. i got 3stocked and 2 stocked by him, i admit i wasn't playing my best, but the same thing happened vs "MELITO" when i was actually playing well in a tourney.
i think TL should be medium to hard match up, or at least reconsider
but as soon as u start playing back air spammers, it all falls apart. sheik has absolutely no priority over bair. TL just ***** her, i would even say a spamming back air and quick draw TL is almost impossible to beat with sheik. try playing "SOUP" if u want to test this. i got 3stocked and 2 stocked by him, i admit i wasn't playing my best, but the same thing happened vs "MELITO" when i was actually playing well in a tourney.
i think TL should be medium to hard match up, or at least reconsider
MELITO lives in Rhode Island. You're in the UK. The only way you could've played him in tourney was online. I do not accept online experience as clear proof of any matchups, seeing as how a lag of 5-30 frames can make normally simple projectiles much harder to deal with, and many attacks based on reaction a lot worse off.
ADHD
Smash Hero
For meta knight if anyone's having trouble:
You pretty much HAVE to play defensively in the middle of the stage. He is so good at pushing you off and then gimping you, especially your crappy recovery.
You pretty much HAVE to play defensively in the middle of the stage. He is so good at pushing you off and then gimping you, especially your crappy recovery.
Wildfire393
Smash Journeyman
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OK, but would you mind weighing in on your experiences vs. TL? I haven't had a lot of experience with the matchup, but on paper it looks BAAAD for Sheik. He out-projectiles Sheik, he KO's easier than Sheik, he out-ranges Sheik with Jabs and Tilts and out-prioritizes Sheik in the air. And he can't be Tilt-Locked too well due to his floatiness and light weight.
jalued
Smash Lord
that may be, but i had very gd connection vs both of them. tbh i think that melito probably had worse lag than i had, yet i still got creamed.
i have played online ALOT, and unless its about 2 seconds lag, i can usually cope fine. it was not due to bad timing that toon link dominated- it was because he out classes sheik at absolutely everything
TKD+ITA+Mar=
Smash Ace
I am pretty sure most of you already know this, (I searched through the thread and couldn't find anything), you can hit MK out of his tornado with Needles. (I don't know if just one needle will work though)
It's possible to boost USmash Meta Knight post-grab release and get a tipper out of it. That is, if you could be arsed to get all that timing down. Considering a regular running Usmash barely makes it in time with the side hit, a footstool is out of the question.
Shield the projectiles because they're slow :V
Other than that, practically everything he does except for bair has enough lag to run in with a grab or dash attack, and you can work from there. Plus he's actually easy enough to KO with Sheik uair.
jalued
Smash Lord
but what if he JUST uses back air?
Then JUST stand there and charge needles. Maybe chain him. lol
Are you familiar with the term "jumping into the ****?" Yeah, don't do that.
Are you familiar with the term "jumping into the ****?" Yeah, don't do that.
jalued
Smash Lord
lol, ok then, i'll keep trying
ADHD
Smash Hero
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Hopefully it will get banned.
demodemo
Smash Ace
i wouldn't call this stalling technique gay, its freaken cool.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
Agreed, Yoshi isn't that bad against Sheik.
demodemo
Smash Ace
Well this isn't going to get us anywhere, but all of the pokemanz the trainer has are easily tilt locked, and generally easy to deal with
charizard is easy to combo since he is big and has slow aerials
squirtle...as far as i know gets outpriortized in the air, but i wouldnt know too well since my friend always switches to ivysaur
ivysaur is kind of hard, since he can KO sheik at around 80% (no joke..) but as long as you keep him spaced with needles, then come in with some good tilts, he is easy. he gets ***** from beneath him, and i think his only defense is his bair
then again, the PT i play is also mediocre..
charizard is easy to combo since he is big and has slow aerials
squirtle...as far as i know gets outpriortized in the air, but i wouldnt know too well since my friend always switches to ivysaur
ivysaur is kind of hard, since he can KO sheik at around 80% (no joke..) but as long as you keep him spaced with needles, then come in with some good tilts, he is easy. he gets ***** from beneath him, and i think his only defense is his bair
then again, the PT i play is also mediocre..
Ivysaur is screwed if you get up close to him. Just tilt-combo, and pressure him if you're the one who launched him into the air. Everything he does except for bair is slow/easy to beat. Plus, his recovery is garbage.
stealthsushi
Smash Apprentice
Aside from Squirtle, Sheik has an obvious advantage over Ivysaur and Charizard. They can both be tilt-locked to death and edge guarded pretty easily. In terms of speed, Sheik runs those two down. Squirtle poses some problems since I believe his aerials outprioritizes Sheik's aerials, and he's pretty quick himself with a somewhat tricky recovery to gimp. But he's 1/3 of the usable PT chars and I'm pretty confident a grounded Zelda would utterly dominate Squirtle's aerial game with her insane U-Smash priority.
As for the 7-3 matchup, I have to say I've never played any decent Yoshi's out there. He definitely has good potential given that Dragonic Reverse/Wavedash he has. Somewhat difficult to gimp given Yoshi's numerous super armor frames on the second jump. But any character than can be F-Tilt locked, Sheik more likely than not, has an advantage.
As for the 7-3 matchup, I have to say I've never played any decent Yoshi's out there. He definitely has good potential given that Dragonic Reverse/Wavedash he has. Somewhat difficult to gimp given Yoshi's numerous super armor frames on the second jump. But any character than can be F-Tilt locked, Sheik more likely than not, has an advantage.
Mmac
Smash Lord
I guess the only way to conclude this Sheik vs. Yoshi thing is by having Good Sheik's fighting Good Yoshi's. Neither of us know each other very well....
choknater
Smash Obsessed
correct, that matchup obviously isn't seen a lot
sheik does **** ivysaur, ivysaur is a limited character already. char can do a little better, squirtle is good... but i still think sheik has the edge on squirtle imo
sheik does **** ivysaur, ivysaur is a limited character already. char can do a little better, squirtle is good... but i still think sheik has the edge on squirtle imo
Also, chain ***** Yoshi eggshields and pretty much guarantees a shieldbreak.
ADHD
Smash Hero
Am I the only one having trouble with bowser as sheik, I have to switch characters? Three of the good bowser's I've faced are good at being defensive and the fire is too good. Camping doesn't work that well when hes in the air with the infinite jump thing.
I don't think its good to say that jigglypuff is easy. She's not easy to hit and sheik's recovery sucks with jiggz there. I don't even know why its in our favor.
Jiggz Pound > All your aerials
Jiggz Nair > Your recovery
Your fsmash = almost nothing in this battle
Needles = basically only stop rollout
Your bair = hard to hit, good for range though
Usmash = probably your best bet to hit with a powerful move
The chain = LULZ
I don't think its good to say that jigglypuff is easy. She's not easy to hit and sheik's recovery sucks with jiggz there. I don't even know why its in our favor.
Jiggz Pound > All your aerials
Jiggz Nair > Your recovery
Your fsmash = almost nothing in this battle
Needles = basically only stop rollout
Your bair = hard to hit, good for range though
Usmash = probably your best bet to hit with a powerful move
The chain = LULZ
Why is chain lulz? Just use Zelda if you're having that much trouble, jeez.
Or, you know, he could just DJ out of it instead of just shielding it. Plus Yoshi barely ever shields anyway.
It's a punishment against shielding, not an attempt to get a Yoshi to shield. >_>
What exactly is your point that, yes, like any other character, Yoshi can DI out of the chain if he gets hit by it?
What exactly is your point that, yes, like any other character, Yoshi can DI out of the chain if he gets hit by it?
Yoshi can't get poked out of his shield. That's the only thing that stops chain from breaking anyone else's shield.
I can see what you mean, but does Sheik have enough of a pressure game to get him to use his shield anyway? I can see Yoshi shielding needles if they came at him, but otherwise I don't think he would be doing it in the first place.
ADHD
Smash Hero
I'm just saying when you put it out on paper I don't know why sheik has an advantage against her. Not that I said anything in a serious way, its just that the nair gimps sheik, jiggz is difficult to hit, pound has better priority than sheik's aerials...
imdavid
Smash Journeyman
whoa... chromey, they talking about yoshi and you talking about jiggs, i am so confused, i think leaving the boards for three weeks is messing with me... with all this chain stuff >.< but i still don't see even if sheik doesn't have the chain how yoshi would have an advantage over sheik...
ADHD
Smash Hero
Lol you missed an epic chain discovery(ies)