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[GwJ]

Other people need you!

DarkWarCloud has opened up the Training Grounds. What this is is a place for new players to learn who plays what characters all in a simple thread so that they can contact said person to "teach" them the basics. As of right now, we only have a handful of "teachers" for a few characters and we need more! This is where you come in. Anyone who is skilled with your characters (any character) and has the free time to teach someone how to either: Teach the basics of the game in general and/or teach specific character(s), go in the thread and either post or PM DarkWarCloud with your information (Format is in the thread) where you may possibly be contacted by someone who wants to learn. The future of smash lies in your hands.

On the other hand, if you wish to learn, go to the thread also!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=241698

 

[SuSa]

I've been looking into this, so it's slightly known (by me, at least, dunno about anyone else). You also get a slight boost forward when you land with Din's..... frame-by-frame, you literally see Zelda mini-teleport forward by a step or so.

I haven't done actual frame testing on it yet, though, so I won't say anything else for now since I'm not 100% sure. x.x

It's not much, but it would seem to help Zelda's camping game...even if just by a little

 

[MrEh]

It's not much, but it would seem to help Zelda's camping game...even if just by a little

What camping game? lol

 

[-Mars-]

What camping game? lol

ZOMG lol..

 

[Elder Sister]

What camping game? lol

mreh aka phil collins>awesome

 

[SuSa]

What camping game? lol

I had to admit, I did get a laugh from this.

But don't tell me Ike camps better.

 

[Elder Sister]

I had to admit, I did get a laugh from this.

But don't tell me Ike camps better.

embarrassing to admit but he always gets me with camping T_T

 

[JigglyZelda003]

embarrassing to admit but he always gets me with camping T_T

just be ****** and shoot dins till he moves over, he's not Wario.
meh camping or not, fireball> Ike being far away.

 

[Kataefi]

Also.... don't dismiss din's fire A lot of aerials have startup and cooldown, moreso than the actual hitbox themselves. Make din's fire explode then.

 

[MrEh]

Din's can't even camp Ike. Ike is too much of a beast.

 

[KayLo!]

Depends on the distance. At mid-long distance, the hitbox is big enough that you can 1) wait for his hitbox to end, then explode him in his cooldown lag, or 2) make it explode behind him at his feet if he's camping with fairs (while his hitbox is still in front of him). Same can be said for nairs, although the timing is a little more strict for blowing up his feetsies.

 

[GodAtHand]

Ike eats fireballs for breakfast!... For his friends as well.

 

[zeldspazz]

I have a quick question

What moves does Lucas's f-smash outrange of Zelda's? Including grab range and aerials

 

[GodAtHand]

Just a random note on above question.

I am not 100% sure, but Lucas's Fsmash MIGHT outrange Zelda's. I didn't think it did and me and a friend were playing at a tournament and at the last stock both around 150% we both Fsmashed I did it a little bit before him and before Zelda even stopped sparkling his hit me. We were both shocked. We thought it might be a fluke.

 

[MrEh]

What moves does Lucas's f-smash outrange of Zelda's? Including grab range and aerials

Range doesn't matter when Lucas's Fsmash comes out faster then Zelda can even imagine. lol

 

[zeldspazz]

Range doesn't matter when Lucas's Fsmash comes out faster then Zelda can even imagine. lol

Yeh I know, but its still nice to know since I battle lots of Lucas

 

[Kataefi]

Just a random note on above question.

I am not 100% sure, but Lucas's Fsmash MIGHT outrange Zelda's. I didn't think it did and me and a friend were playing at a tournament and at the last stock both around 150% we both Fsmashed I did it a little bit before him and before Zelda even stopped sparkling his hit me. We were both shocked. We thought it might be a fluke.

I think it's because Zelda extends forward with her arms... it's similar to when someone overextends and Zelda's Fsmash seems to travel and hit with the last hit at a lengthy range, except Lucas is doing it to Zelda. Good info to know

In this situation, I'd say try charging Fsmash - she actually has a decent drawback similar to sonic's that can avoid attacks and counter from these sorts of distances.

 

[MrEh]

she actually has a decent drawback similar to sonic's that can avoid attacks and counter from these sorts of distances.

No she doesn't.

Zelda's Fsmash does have a drawback animation, but it's no where near apparent enough to be useful. Sonic and Bowser have good animations, Zelda does not. It's far to easy for you to strike her hands.

 

[Kataefi]

She does have a good drawback actually... maybe not as good as the aforementioned characters, but it's usable from the right distances; usable, not fool-proof however. It's saved me many times. Try it sometime

 

[zeldspazz]

So....is anyone gonna answer my original question XD

 

[JigglyZelda003]

wish i could, why Lucas though?

 

[zeldspazz]

Cus Ive been facing a good Lucas at one of my friend's houses and I seem to always get killed/outranged by his f-smash.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

oh i see, i'm still not sure though since the most times i've done lucas vs Zelda is against Ocho and my lucas doesn't throw out Fsmash much.

but i believe it can outrange everything but Fsmash and Ftilt if you start them in time.

 

[zeldspazz]

Ok, Im gonna look into this I guess =o

 

[KayLo!]

No she doesn't.

Zelda's Fsmash does have a drawback animation, but it's no where near apparent enough to be useful. Sonic and Bowser have good animations, Zelda does not. It's far to easy for you to strike her hands.

She does have a good drawback actually... maybe not as good as the aforementioned characters, but it's usable from the right distances; usable, not fool-proof however. It's saved me many times. Try it sometime

She also might gain partial invincibility on her upper body from z-axis shenanigans. I'm not 100% sure on this (it's not important enough for me to have tested so far), but many characters draw themselves into the background while charging their smashes.

That may be why it's saved you a few times.

Or maybe she really does move backwards a lot. I never charge my smashes, tbh, lol. Reading about the extra knockback penalty scarred me for life.

@zeldaspazz: I don't know off the top of my head, but I'll look into it for you and try to get back to you by tomorrow.

 

[Kataefi]

Lucas Fsmash definitely punishes Zelda's over extension... so in that sense then yeah it does outrange it =O if you anticipate it, I guess just charge Fsmash instead from about tipper distance of his own Fsmash, or run away!

 

[zeldspazz]

@zeldaspazz: I don't know off the top of my head, but I'll look into it for you and try to get back to you by tomorrow.

Thanks Kaylo

 

[sasook]

I have a solution. PS the fsmash, then use fsmash.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

or run away!

this is fun to do.

I have a solution. PS the fsmash, then use fsmash.

perfect control? lol

has anyone ever reliably traded LKs w/ Peachs Fair?

 

[zeldspazz]

has anyone ever reliably traded LKs w/ Peachs Fair?

I try not to take that chance. U-smash is much more satisfying to me. So, for me, thats a no

 

[Kaffei]

this is fun to do.

perfect control? lol

has anyone ever reliably traded LKs w/ Peachs Fair?

I've never tried it, but man, Peach's F-Air is hella annoying.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I've never tried it, but man, Peach's F-Air is hella annoying.

I don't think it's a move you can trade with, it's got too much range. it's probably gonna be one or the other. The best I've done in that area was, when a peach was going to do a turnip toss->fair combo to me, I caught the turnip while fairing and the fair sweetspotted her.

 

[Kataefi]

Utilt trades with it as well. It's the only move (I think there aren't any more) that can trade with it.

 

[mountain_tiger]

thi
has anyone ever reliably traded LKs w/ Peachs Fair?

I'm pretty sure you can't do that if Peach spaces the Fair properly.

 

[sasook]

perfect control? lol

PS = powershield. Powershield his, then use your own fsmash. xD

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Utilt trades with it as well. It's the only move (I think there aren't any more) that can trade with it.

i think it is the only reliable way to trade w/ her. or try and jump into her w/ Nair

I'm pretty sure you can't do that if Peach spaces the Fair properly.

probably so, i don't think mines was perfectly spaced when Ocho kicked at me making us trade. i wonder if i still have that replay.....

PS = powershield. Powershield his, then use your own fsmash. xD

i know that, it was a joke lol

 

[Kaffei]

I have another noob question;

In this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fc7YnJlxIQ

NL does dash>shield a lot, but he does it fast so there's like no lag in between stopping & shielding.
How do you do that?

 

[KayLo!]

Because you can shield out of a run. You just.... hit the shield button while running.

If you're doing your skid animation before you shield, that just means you're waiting too long to shield.

 

[Kaffei]

Because you can shield out of a run. You just.... hit the shield button while running.

If you're doing your skid animation before you shield, that just means you're waiting too long to shield.

Oh, okay, that cleared things up.
Thank you very much ^^

 

[stealth3654]

Hey everyone! I was just wondering if someone could critique my Zelda in the video thread. If someone does, I would greatly appreciate it .