would people rather play project m then melee? (WITH TRAILER IN THE OP) NEW VIDEO!

[Octave]

I think AXE vs JMAN was GF's personally. That or Dr.PP vs Armada.

For some reason M2K vs Armada felt less hyped this time. It could be because we all knew in our hearts that the winner was gonna get 3-0'd no matter what or it could be that so many great sets had already happened that this time around it just seemed more ordinary.

Don't forget that M2K vs Armada was nearly exactly the same thing as Pound4. Marth vs Peach at FD, Fox vs Peach at PS, they had already done it a few months ago.

On topic: I don't see why people would have a problem with P:M. Honestly, if you're just going to say "It won't be good because it won't be exactly like Melee which is what it's trying to do." then you're better off not posting or reading the OP of the P:M thread. It says in it that it's not trying to replace Melee. Stop making ignorant posts.

More on topic: I'll play Melee until P:M is finished, then try P:M (though I have played it once or twice with DarkDragoon) and if its a bust go back to Melee. Imo that's what everyone should do.

 

[Cosmo!]

I'm merely explaining why character balance isn't a big part of what makes a game enjoyable.

Notice how Balanced Brawl failed hard despite focusing completely on balancing the characters.

 

[Sterowent]

woah, woah, BB isn't a fair comparison to P:M.

 

[shanus]

Shiz v hbox http://www.youtube.com/user/JCaesar007#g/u

 

[L/A/W]

my biggest fear is you guys taking it upon yourselves to make changes that aren't appreciated
also battlefield is bad, needs more melee

 

[Strong Badam]

I agree. However, Melee is enjoyable despite its lack of character balance. I'd rather not go the whole Brawl+ route and be like "what if it's just as fun as Melee but with more chars and is balanced more?!" but that's pretty much what Project M is going to be. As fun/more fun (opinion-based, not going to argue on this) as/than Melee, more characters, more tournament-viable characters.

L/A/W: examples?

 

[Archangel]

spam, hey, man. i know you're hype about this **** and all, and i am too, but if you could cool it a bit that'd be really neato. you've been giving yourself a pretty ugly rep lately.

You got me ****ed up. I don't care what anyone thinks about me at all. However I'll back down for sake. I no that after going head to head with me some people may build a personal dislike for me(despite not knowing me). Then they'll be against the project because of me. So to prevent that I just won't say anything.

 

[L/A/W]

I a

L/A/W: examples?

none atm but just don't want to see this end up like other brawl spin-offs

 

[jugfingers]

its too ***** janky, the jankyness is too profound.


make it less janky, I just don't think you could ever make it smooth enough to rival melee, looks way iller than brawl though.


but still probably not as legit as ssb64 even.

 

[nube]

To the P:M team (not tryna single anyone out)
Don't forget that you're asking for our (SSBM players) opinions, so no need to get defensive or w/e when someone says something that you don't wanna hear (like "SSBM is better" or something). We Melee players love Melee with a passion. Please respect that.

Anyways

On topic: I don't see why people would have a problem with P:M. Honestly, if you're just going to say "It won't be good because it won't be exactly like Melee which is what it's trying to do." then you're better off not posting or reading the OP of the P:M thread. It says in it that it's not trying to replace Melee. Stop making ignorant posts.

Ok, lets read the OP.

project m is pretty much going to be like melee 2.0 with new characters ie: the game people wanted! i think project m is how people thought brawl was going to be so my question would people change to project m and drop melee? like instead of melee tournaments project m tournaments.

Ok, again, but in smaller sections:

project m is pretty much going to be like melee 2.0 with new characters ie: the game people wanted!

Key words: Melee 2.0

would people change to project m and drop melee

Key words: change, drop melee

like instead of melee tournaments project m tournaments.

Key words: instead of melee

Ok back to Octave's post

reading the OP of the P:M thread. It says in it that it's not trying to replace Melee. Stop making ignorant posts.

wutttttttttttt

oh ya, also in the OP

i think project m is how people thought brawl was going to be so my question would be

then shouldn't we ask Brawl players if they'd rather play Project M than Melee???

Which game and community NEEDS something like this? Melee? or Brawl?

Ima play Melee


til i die

 

[Archangel]

People in Project M are 90% Melee players tbh.

Also look at This. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKu9DMbWa3s&feature=channel

Check out some recent vids on the channel. These were Matches played at APEX. Don't take any offense to this but if Good players approve then it doesn't really matter what I think or what you think. If the Majority of the good players(players that are top 1-100 in the world) That try the game and approve of it so far then it's on the right track. It's always said though that Everything seen currently is subject to change. For the most parts lots of things like from melee are able to be transfered over to PM. However they haven't.

For example. Fox's uthrow vs Fox. He currently can't chain throw himself or Falco. However once that is transfered over(which should happen sometimes soon along with all other melee characters) then it will work. You can't look at a match out now and say "oh that doens't work this game fails...*ignore*". Well you can I guess but that makes you a block head.

For the record I love everyone who's ever posted in this thread.

<3

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Project Melee would be a lot better than Project Brawl (Project Brawl is sort of a joke I came up with, basically it is the reverse of project melee. The goal of project brawl if it ever existed would be to reprogram melee's physics engine to match that of brawl's physics engine. The reason that the joke is funny is because of the horrified reactions that people have had to my suggestion of such a creation. .)

On topic, thumbs up to the people who are working on project melee, I respect what you guys are doing, and I hope to see what is stored for us in the future. Keep up the good work!

Edit: ninja'd

 

[Eggm]

Btw, from what I saw and heard from people project : M changed a few of the original melee characters moves and started 'balancing" low tiers already. I think before anything like that should happen they should focus all efforts on first making an EXACT clone of melee. Low tiers might not even need to be balanced with the inclusion of the brawl characters. For some reason olimar might **** fox and puff and zelda and game and watch murder olimar for example. Its better to focus on nothing but melee exactly what it was before you even think about adding new maps/moves/balance tweaks IMO, and if you don't do it in that order I think you are only hurting your chances of making this successful.

Edit : in fact i wouldn't even add the brawl characters in yet. Just the original melee 26 the 9 still legal stages and all the original moves that look and feel exactly the same as melee before putting even a minute of time into anything else. That would generate more hype than anything. I heard something about ganons melees forward B changed. Change nothing about the original characters yet. Wayyyyyyyyyy too early IMO. I doubt any mid teir/low tier mainers from melee who are serious about their characters like kage or axe would even want anything changed. If anything they'd like to see how their new low tier stacks up against the brawl characters once its released cause maybe their character will **** those brawl guys but the brawl characters will **** all the current melee high tiers, thus balancing itself. You never know.

 

[L/A/W]

Edit : in fact i wouldn't even add the brawl characters in yet. Just the original melee 26 the 9 still legal stages and all the original moves that look and feel exactly the same as melee before putting even a minute of time into anything else. That would generate more hype than anything. I heard something about ganons melees forward B changed. Change nothing about the original characters yet. Wayyyyyyyyyy too early IMO. I doubt any mid teir/low tier mainers from melee who are serious about their characters like kage or axe would even want anything changed. If anything they'd like to see how their new low tier stacks up against the brawl characters once its released cause maybe their character will **** those brawl guys but the brawl characters will **** all the current melee high tiers, thus balancing itself. You never know.

I completely agree with this post, showing the melee characters doing their thing would generate a ton more hype than showing us things like lucas's new b

 

[Dantarion]

no.

honestly, i wouldn't even work on the project if the initial goal was that narrow.

We need to make Brawl->Melee 2.0, not Brawl->Melee1.0->(playtest)->Melee2.0
Its a waste of time to remake things when its obvious that the Melee version just plain sucked.

"Cmon guys, lets give kirby melee hitboxes!"
"Cmon guys, its in melee, it should be in the P:M!"

For the last time, if P:M is supposed to be a Melee Clone for you, please play melee.
We are trying to step FORWARD , not step back.

Melee exists. We can play it. We dont need to remake it. We are making a sequel, and that means changing things. Some things are changed because it makes sense to change them. Some things haven't been tested "Melee Style" because it takes so much work to force it to be melee style that the extra benefit isn't obvious.

Honestly, is anyone going to rage over ganon having Brawl side B? Honestly, it makes him different than falcon in another way, and in my opinion, fits more with his playstyle and followup options.

 

[Shell]

We just ported the exact physics and most of the hitboxes of nearly the entire top and high tiers. They're definitely doing their thing.

We do take a lot of creative freedom with the Mid / Low characters, but we ask everyone we can for feedback, so it's not like we're taking this project in some random personal direction. If someone tells us that they don't like something we've changed we take note.

Also, we're humans, too; we need to enjoy the coding to continue on something this large of scale. Frankly, the most enjoyable part of the project (for me, at least) is fleshing out the lower characters and reworking the brawl characters. Carbon copying characters is mostly a dull grind.

Eggm, I'm not sure why you insist that PM and Melee are in competition. A main goal of the project is an easy transition between Melee and PM so that you never need to choose. Just pick up and play whatever you feel like. Practice in one game will, to some extent, pay off in the other. Both games can easily coexist at the same tournament, as we've already shown so far.

 

[Sterowent]

i really love it when they don't tech it, the ganon predicts it, and he does another choke immediately. it has to be one of the most ****** things to watch. it actually reminds me of that one time you saw that glitch in b+, you know, on distant planet and the water? except, you know, not bull****.

anyway, i'm not sure how that balance stuff'd even work, eggm. obviously, the brawl characters would have to be meleefied, and if that's the case the devs have control over how good the characters would be. it's a little strange to assume they would be up in the air as far as balance goes. almost everything the devs would do would be carefully considered towards a good character, you know? it'd be really miraculous if they somehow just ended up being counters and countered that way, is what i'm saying.

also, hiii dant (edit: and shell!)

 

[L/A/W]

Eggm, I'm not sure why you insist that PM and Melee are in competition. A main goal of the project is an easy transition between Melee and PM so that you never need to choose. Just pick up and play whatever you feel like. Practice in one game will, to some extent, pay off in the other. Both games can easily coexist at the same tournament, as we've already shown so far.

im pretty sure the point was, if this game is truly better than melee then why would we need to ever play melee anymore? If this isn't as good as melee, why play it?

 

[Eggm]

no.

honestly, i wouldn't even work on the project if the initial goal was that narrow.

We need to make Brawl->Melee 2.0, not Brawl->Melee1.0->(playtest)->Melee2.0
Its a waste of time to remake things when its obvious that the Melee version just plain sucked.

"Cmon guys, lets give kirby melee hitboxes!"
"Cmon guys, its in melee, it should be in the P:M!"

For the last time, if P:M is supposed to be a Melee Clone for you, please play melee.
We are trying to step FORWARD , not step back.

Melee exists. We can play it. We dont need to remake it. We are making a sequel, and that means changing things. Some things are changed because it makes sense to change them. Some things haven't been tested "Melee Style" because it takes so much work to force it to be melee style that the extra benefit isn't obvious.

Honestly, is anyone going to rage over ganon having Brawl side B? Honestly, it makes him different than falcon in another way, and in my opinion, fits more with his playstyle and followup options.

Sorry strong_bad IMed me I didn't know that the goal of project : M wasn't suppose to be a perfect melee clone. Knowing that I am no longer even remotely interested and wish you guys the best of luck. I won't be posting anymore in project : M threads or commenting on the vids as I won't be checking either's progress anymore. I thought it was suppose to be an exact clone and was doubtful but still hopeful deep inside that u might succeed but you won't since thats not your goal so i'm done caring at all. Good luck tho guys.

 

[Shell]

You did play Project M, though... right?

I can no longer count the number of people who swore they weren't interested in this project and then ended up loving it after they played it.

 

[Dantarion]

eggm, I got a ssbm disc that says projectm on it.

Honestly, if you got hyped because you thought it was going to be a copy, I don't understand why you could just lose all that hype just because "oh, its supposed to be different in some way? WTF WACK"

 

[Eggm]

Unless your overall goal was to make it an exact copy its never gonna be close enough for me to choose it over melee. This is why I'm no longer interested.

 

[[TSON]]

that's flawed thinking and you know it.

 

[Eggm]

No its not, eventually your going to say "its close enough" release it and its not going to feel 100% the same and I won't like it unless it feels 100% the same. I"m not saying its wack or you should stop just that I am no longer interested, because to me melee is perfect and the only thing that could improve upon it would be an exact copy + extra content basically a melee xpansion pack.

 

[Archangel]

Eggm's just upset because nobody cares that he beat scorpion master and thats got him in a *****y move. In my personal opinion Shiz's, Kage's, Hbox's, Hax's opinions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>EGGM's rage.


edit @ eggm's last post.

You play Fox right. Fox isn't being changed and honestly if the "Close enough" attitude was taken this would already be in beta testing. Getting the feel of it 100% or at least 99.9% is the main reason why it can't be released. That was a massive mistake made by Brawl+. Every time something new came out their was a new version of the game. P.M. Is avoiding that at high cost.

 

[Eggm]

Eggz beat scorpion master not me. And I'm just upset cause I had a little hope for this before and now its reduced to none since I recently found out about the overall goal. I've beaten 3 outta those 4 people in tournament before btw, i'm not some scrub. But whatever i'm glad they like it, it just aint for me anyways i'm done checking this thread. I'm also not in a ****ty mood*. But mad tired and gonna sleep, gl with project : M guys.

 

[BBQTV]

im glad project m is not going to be rushed like

Spoiler

melee which was rushed

 

[camelot]

Well, Eggm, know that even if it was possible to make an *exact* clone of Melee (which it isn't), we wouldn't do it anyway, because that would be completely pointless. I'll just leave it at that.

Moving on...

 

[Krautrock]

Honestly, it's probably better to not even engage people with that attitude until the game comes out. Let the haters hate, and when the thing finally lands they can enjoy eating their words.

Point is - just try the **** game when it comes out. If the small changes bother you too greatly, don't play it again. All this theoretical discussion is pointless.

 

[L/A/W]

what is the goal for the outcome of this project?
don't say melee 2.0
side tournaments or what?

 

[Archangel]

Eggz beat scorpion master not me. And I'm just upset cause I had a little hope for this before and now its reduced to none since I recently found out about the overall goal. I've beaten 3 outta those 4 people in tournament before btw, i'm not some scrub. But whatever i'm glad they like it, it just aint for me anyways i'm done checking this thread. I'm also not in a ****ty mood*. But mad tired and gonna sleep, gl with project : M guys.

lol someone told me it was you. I guess they got you mixed up. I got you and eggz mixed up. Which one are you? the skinny one?...**** if I know lol.

Anyways I am not saying you are some scrub but lets be honest. If we are gonna talk Politically if for example those 3 or 4 say when Project M is finished that it is great and they are entering the tournament with the like of Armada, Amsah, Faab etc...*won't name everyone* And then you stand up and say "NO!...I don't like it because some things are different!" People are gonna look at you, Shrug, Then say "oh I'm gonna get a chance to play Scorpian Master from my home in Alaska via Wi-Fi XD!" The world will keep on turning ya know.

thanks for the good wishes

 

[L/A/W]

spam_arrows are you in any way related to the development of this project or just the number one fanboy?

 

[Archangel]

Honestly, it's probably better to not even engage people with that attitude until the game comes out. Let the haters hate, and when the thing finally lands they can enjoy eating their words.

Point is - just try the **** game when it comes out. If the small changes bother you too greatly, don't play it again. All this theoretical discussion is pointless.

I'd say this post is probably best. Starting a thread like Can this replace melee is trouble anyway. Realistically no it can't as of 2010 it's impossible. By late 2011 I think it's possible that at least 40% of the community will be in it as well as a few brawlers. By this time 2 years from now probably 75% of the community or more will be in Project Melee somehow. Many more players will at least use it to Wi-Fi Play favorite players or friends from all over the world.. However for now it's all speculation because the game is NOT finished yet.

what is the goal for the outcome of this project?
don't say melee 2.0
side tournaments or what?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260812


Also I probably am the #1 fanboy but I have foresight, an open mind, and Imagination(in the spongebob fashion). Also since I've been following since December 09 I think it's safe to say I know more about what's going on then you do. Don't mean that in a **** way but all you seem to know is.............................................................

 

[L/A/W]

i mean for what will become of the project

 

[Archangel]

i mean for what will become of the project

Well this project might be released for open testing at some point however it probably won't be in open beta for months tbh. If it is capable of running smoothly and everything is complete by next year then It will probably played at Melee and Brawl events like it was at APEX. However once it is out for open BETA it'll likely have more set ups. In fact all you'll need to play it is an SD card. Don't even need to hack your wii for it. So having a tournament with Melee 2.0 will be much easier and likely have more entrances. Even some entrances from internationals in it. I think by the Time APEX 2 comes around Project Melee will have at least half of what Brawl or Melee entrances have. Eventually It'll be capable of having it's own part as a Co-event rather then a side-event.

 

[Geist]

I don't know why some people are so ready to completely dismiss this.
It's kind of silly really, limiting yourself of your own options, you might as well exclude yourself from playing every game that isn't melee.

I don't want to assume the habits of other fighting game communities in general, but I know a lot of pros in SF and GG play multiple versions of their game, as well as other fighting games. If the intention of P:M is to allow an almost seemless transition between playing both melee and P:M, then there really shouldn't be any rational hostility.

 

[Archangel]

basically I don't struggle switching from Streetfighter 2 to Street fighter 4 at all.

The transition will probably be similar. As well as the amounts of characters added and stages added. It'll be a similar transition.

 

[Metal Reeper]

I would like to try project M, looks cool, but nothing will ever replace melee, and like tons of others said...just play Melee.

BOTTOM LINE

If anything, Project M should not be thought as to replace Melee, it should be thought to replace BRAWL, now we're on the right track.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Its possible. If it can be melee. It will replace it. but right now it just looks off. idk if its gonna change but just the looks alone lead me to believe melee players wont give it much of a shot.

I agree with alot of the brawl ruined our hope kinda thing.

Melee players want melee in the same package, but more in it. Any slight change is gonna have a negative impact.

I think most reasonable ppl will at least give it a shot upon its completion. But I really doubt its gonna be a co existor. More like a competitive but still fun game to play with the homies. Melee players and brawl players side game.

 

[Krautrock]

BOTTOM LINE

Who cares what, if anything, Project M is trying or not trying to "replace." All this theorycraft and semantic nitpicking is irrelevant. I would recommend that anybody into competitive Smash of any sort give the game a whirl upon its release and make up their own mind.