would people rather play project m then melee? (WITH TRAILER IN THE OP) NEW VIDEO!

[Strong Badam]

danny_lyons: you'll desynch with anyone not using the same codeset as you. so you'd need to be doing With Friends and with someone who has Project M.

i don't want to try out something that could potentially be better than what i currently play because i'm silly

oh, okay.

 

[Backward]

Project M looks promising! I can see it replacing Brawl+/Brawl- as a popular side-event at big tourneys, especially if it draws in both Melee and Brawl people.

 

[painlord k11]

probably melee since there will probably be no finalized version of project m hacks meaning it wont get to high in tournaments. melee over all!!! =D

 

[ArstNeio]

What were all you guys' reactions when you first heard Brawl was coming out, before you knew exactly what it was going to be like? It was likely a feeling of genuine excitement, a "Wow, where can they take us now?" feeling. I doubt anyone back then was thinking "hah, replacing Melee? NO WAY".

We only feel that way now because we're disappointed by how Brawl turned out. But if we're going to let that disappointment color all of our impressions of future attempts to make "the next Melee", then we're allowing Brawl to hurt Melee's legacy much moreso. Opinions like "hah I'll never drop Melee" arise from disappointment at Brawl, but really, if we dislike Brawl so much, why are we letting it affect our opinions of Project M?

As for it being a hack, well, I remember before people said that we couldn't use Brawl's custom stage feature to make our own tournament stages because that data is on SD card. If I'm not wrong, the Midwest Brawl Circuit is currently running tournaments with custom stages... Things change, and there's no reason to dismiss it just because it requires an SD card to play. With the advent of StackSmash, you don't even need to mod your Wii to play Project: Melee, or any other versions such as Balanced Brawl, Brawl-, Brawl+.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

If a game is copying Melee, it obviously can't be as good as Melee.

 

[Ace55]

If a game is copying Melee, it obviously can't be as good as Melee.

Sarcasm...?

yea, but i'd rather still just wanna play Melee. I'd rather not hack Brawl just so it plays like Melee. I mean, Project M is cool and all and they've put alot of hardwork into it but, i'd rather play Melee.

Have you even played it? Amsah went from dissing it to loving it in like 5 minutes. I'd say it's improving at a pretty spectacular rate.

 

[MooseEatsBear]

Sarcasm...?

No, not sarcasm. If anything is copying anything, it can never be as good as the original. Melee will always be it's own game, with aspects consistent and unique to it that will make it impossible to recreate. It will never have the same feel as Melee, and Melee will always have a good amount of people like me that will stay faithful to it.

 

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[MooseEatsBear]

It's not trying to copy it. If I understand correctly it's making a game very similar to melee in terms of physics, the only differences being that things which are broken won't be broken (sheik's d-throw vs. low tier), characters will be better balanced (not by nerfing high tiers but by improving low tiers) and there will be more characters.

That makes sense. But I'll always prefer Melee. You probably understand. That's just always gonna be something that Melee will hace that Project M never could. No matter what.

 

[Revven]

But it's not trying to replace it so I don't know why you can't just try it and if you like it play it alongside Melee...

 

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[Archangel]

After APEX's Winners/GrandFinals and Pound 4's Winners/Grandfinals. I honestly think people will become more and more open to the idea. Though it's a stretch now if this pattern continues people may start to look to PM more and more. There were 2 PM set ups there and they got quite a bit of attention. Wait till the vids of Kage and Shiz and Hax come out.


RAAAAAAPPPEEEEE!

 

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[Archangel]

Project M don't nerf really. Just Buff people that suck by taking away the things that made them to terrible to win and then the rest will just unfold over time. If anything ever gets nerfed on Puff it'll be the Rest.

 

[nube]

shouldn't be the question be

would ppl rather play project m than brawl?

cuz

1) it shouldn't really be directed to SSBM players, we have Melee! if anything, Brawl players need this.

2) even if it was asked of me, i dont think i would RATHER play P:M than Melee. I might play a bit of P:M AND Melee tho. (but really, why do i need to play P:M on the side, when I have melee?)

No hate or anything tho. I've never tried P:M, but maybe I'd love it. I am involved in the Melee hacking scene (our stuff is AGES behind brawl hacking, and is mostly costume/texture hacks - check out our threads ppl), and I know that it must've taken a lot of time/effort to make P:M, good job

 

[Vyzor]

@ StrongBad: You don't have to be mean about it. I don't want to have to go through hacking my Wii to play it. I bet it's probably great and I watched vids and it looks awesome, but i don't know if I want to hack my Wii though.

@Ace55: I haven't played it because my Wii isn't hacked or anything. I bet it's fun. People are getting the idea I think Project M is bad or something. :/

 

[Sterowent]

if i may quickly interject, and note that this has been said in the thread already: all you need is an SD card and brawl. through stacksmash (glitch in custom stage builder in brawl), you can load project M from your SD card without modding your wii.

which would i prefer playing? all i can do is watch one of these right now, so the question is a little difficult to answer.

 

[Strong Badam]

That's just always gonna be something that Melee will hace that Project M never could. No matter what.

Horrible character balance? Yeah..... It's quite unfortunate; Project M isn't going to recreate the ridiculous amount of imbalance present in Melee.

also, project m doesn't require a hacked wii to play.

BTW, DaShizWiz and Kage tried this at APEX and loved it.

 

[Tee ay eye]

hmmm

i saw the vids of the melee physics translated into project m

it still looks really ugly for some reason. maybe i just have a negative stigma to how animations look in brawl. i'll reserve judgment til i see legit gameplay vids and/or play it myself. (i've seen ss v m2k, not impressed)

 

[Jonas]

TAI,
When you think about it, Melee looks kinda dumb as well. We're just used to it, at Brawl animations are different.

if i may quickly interject, and note that this has been said in the thread already: all you need is an SD card and brawl. through stacksmash (glitch in custom stage builder in brawl), you can load project M from your SD card without modding your wii.

Ths sounds great. However, does it still work if you update your Wii? I haven't updated it yet because I want to try P:M (if someone ever makes a PAL version), but kind of would also like to use the shop channel, heh.

 

[Revven]

Yes, it does still work even if you update. Nintendo can't patch it because it's a problem in the game itself, Nintendo can never use IOSes to fix problems with games, only exploits on their Wii.

 

[Archangel]

hmmm

i saw the vids of the melee physics translated into project m

it still looks really ugly for some reason. maybe i just have a negative stigma to how animations look in brawl. i'll reserve judgment til i see legit gameplay vids and/or play it myself. (i've seen ss v m2k, not impressed)

SS vs M2K gameplay vids are outdated. Actually before the physics transfer. The transfer isn't 100% yet as well. Keep in mind that the game is NOT completed currently.

 

[BBQTV]

check out that trailer by spam arrows in the OP

everyone

 

[Vyzor]

also, project m doesn't require a hacked wii to play.

BTW, DaShizWiz and Kage tried this at APEX and loved it.

oh :O So it's easy to hack then right? Btw does it change my Brawl disc? (I guess I don't care if it changes it because it would make Brawl better lol)

 

[Eggm]

That makes sense. But I'll always prefer Melee. You probably understand. That's just always gonna be something that Melee will hace that Project M never could. No matter what.

This is how I feel. I think no matter how much you tweak the brawl engine it can never replicate the melee engine designed by Hal. If it can I'll be impressed and give it a shot, but I am 99.9% sure it cannot be done.

But it's not trying to replace it so I don't know why you can't just try it and if you like it play it alongside Melee...

Because they cannot coexist. One will fail and the other will succeed. The world isn't that happygolucky. Chances of these two games coexisting are like the same as world peace. Sounds nice wish it would happen, but its just not going to.

 

[shanus]

This is how I feel. I think no matter how much you tweak the brawl engine it can never replicate the melee engine designed by Hal. If it can I'll be impressed and give it a shot, but I am 99.9% sure it cannot be done.



Because they cannot coexist. One will fail and the other will succeed. The world isn't that happygolucky. Chances of these two games coexisting are like the same as world peace. Sounds nice wish it would happen, but its just not going to.

Just like how Brawl and melee can't coexist? If anything someone will have more transferability between Project M and Melee than they will Brawl and Melee. Your logic isn't sound, my friend.

 

[Eggm]

Comparing brawl to Project M is stupid. Brawl is a completely different game and type of game than melee. Brawl is able to thrive off the fact that it had a multi million dollar marketing campaign and is highly accessible and is easy to play at a competitive level. The insane player base and the fact that everyone thinks they can be good at it now cause its easier than melee is what keeps their tournament scene alive. IIRC Project : M is looking to be an exact clone of melee with a few balance tweaks extra stages and characters basically a melee expansion pack. Either you will accomplish this goal and there will be no reason for us to play melee since obv a melee expansion pack is what we all wanted and will all love and embrace it or the more likely scenario will arise where it will not feel right and people will just ignore it and play melee with a tiny scene of hopefuls that it will get better playing 15 man tournies at the side during national brawl/melee tournaments. This is why I say they cannot coexist because I firmly believe this project can only work if its perfect and if it is everyone will play it and if not no one (or not many whatsoever) will switch over.

 

[Archangel]

This is how I feel. I think no matter how much you tweak the brawl engine it can never replicate the melee engine designed by Hal. If it can I'll be impressed and give it a shot, but I am 99.9% sure it cannot be done.

Because they cannot coexist. One will fail and the other will succeed. The world isn't that happygolucky. Chances of these two games coexisting are like the same as world peace. Sounds nice wish it would happen, but its just not going to.

it's a self-fulfilled prophecy. Keep saying It won't happened and I can't do it and odds are you'll be right.

They incomplete version co-existed just fine at APEX

the completed version should have no problem co-existing. Honestly The matches on the incomplete set up to me were more hyped then Grand Finals of Melee.... :D

 

[Strong Badam]

LOL we all know Loser's Finals was the real Grand Final's at Apex.

 

[Sterowent]

spam, no need to fret. hell, if that's what eggm's worried about, then things are looking up.
we're talking about lack of confidence in its quality instead of lack of confidence in its worth. i don't mean to put pressure on the p:M team, but seeing what they can do...if it's a question of quality, then it's not something to worry about.

 

[Archangel]

LOL we all know Loser's Finals was the real Grand Final's at Apex.

I think AXE vs JMAN was GF's personally. That or Dr.PP vs Armada.

For some reason M2K vs Armada felt less hyped this time. It could be because we all knew in our hearts that the winner was gonna get 3-0'd no matter what or it could be that so many great sets had already happened that this time around it just seemed more ordinary.

 

[L/A/W]

I'm very interested in seeing how this will turn out in the end
also we need a new trailer that one is pretty bad

 

[Cosmo!]

It's much more interesting to see how far a game can be pushed (which happens with melee + brawl as they are STANDARD), than hacking it so ur favorite character can do super saiya-jin combos

it all seems childish to me

Horrible character balance? Yeah..... It's quite unfortunate; Project M isn't going to recreate the ridiculous amount of imbalance present in Melee.

character balance doesn't matter

 

[Strong Badam]

This coming from a guy whose character has the best down-b in the game. :/
BTW Cosmo, I want to play your Zelda.

 

[CloneHat]

I'm very interested in seeing how this will turn out in the end
also we need a new trailer that one is pretty bad

This; it mostly looks like Brawl/Brawl+ and the music is stock as hell.

It would be really cool if you made a Featurette showing off the changes.

 

[Archangel]

It's much more interesting to see how far a game can be pushed (which happens with melee + brawl as they are STANDARD), than hacking it so ur favorite character can do super saiya-jin combos

it all seems childish to me

Again people are confusing this with Brawl+

 

[Cosmo!]

low tiers are in every game.
sometimes they win, and it is exciting.
that is fun. it is fun to win against odds.

low tiers, being bad, are sometimes used as niche characters for certain matchups. that is an interesting display of strategy.

it is fun to have a core of 7 or so matchups to know and get good at to prepare yourself. when you see a common 7 characters at tournaments, it makes the metagame interesting, as people develop strategies against those 7. the people playing as top tiers need to keep up with the metagame or they will get crushed, due to all the practice that happens against their characters.

meanwhile people don't practice against low tiers. it brings an interesting element into the game when you are playing as an uncommon character but have devised strategies against the top characters.

characters being better than other characters makes the game fun.

 

[Strong Badam]

while all of your points are true, Cosmo, keep in mind there will still be a low/bottom tier in Project M. The disparity between top and bottom tier will be lower than in Melee(Think Guilty Gear. Even the worst character in the game can win large tourneys occasionally; the balance is good) but there will always be some characters that just aren't as good. All of the fun of low tiers you mentioned will be present in Project M just as they are in Melee.

 

[Archangel]

It's your kind of fun I guess. P.M. Isn't close to balancing phase yet. However people seem to think that by balancing all match ups are going to be made 50-50

That is foolish and impossible.


Only people who are terrible will be made less terrible.

people who are in the"They would be good if not for this or lack of this" We change the lack of to a have.

That's all. Everything else will just be as is I guess.

 

[Sterowent]

spam, hey, man. i know you're hype about this **** and all, and i am too, but if you could cool it a bit that'd be really neato. you've been giving yourself a pretty ugly rep lately.