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Will Captain Falcon ever win a National?

S l o X

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ugh is there really nothing big this year? this needs to change.. this is how games die

my region's community is completely dead.. i've had 2 training sessions in the past 5 months and they were each 2-3 hours. i've reverted to practicing on lv9 foxes like i did when i started smash cause there's nobody to play. **** is depressing
You guys should just come up to MA and CT tournaments whenever you can. Turnouts regular around 50-60 people like every Mass Madness and CT tournaments usually pull through like 30-40 people. (It really depends on how the host advertises for these)

I've stopped going to No Johns because venue fees @ MM and CT tournaments are lower and I can always get free rides and usually housing and stuff for MM and CT. Seriously, with players like Darc, th0rn etc going to MM I think the ride is worth it and the payout when you get first definitely pays off.
 

Windrose

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No major USA tournament?

It's time to come to Canada: Impulse!!!

(yeah it's this speech again)

The time is ripe where all the maple syrup is freshly harvested and milks have been sealed in bags eh.

This that north american tournament!

The first Canadian international in the heart of Toronto. Be there and be Canadian eh.

(come for the tournament, stay for the monopoly looking money)
 

Master Ppv

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"yeah, yeah...we all miss darkrain. =("

Darkrain is going to a tourney in Chicago on 3/3, and I'm gonna be there too! Hopefully we can record a lot of his matches so everyone can get their annual (>_>) dose of Darkrain
wait, david's going to that instead of SMYM? o_O
HE'S COMING TO SMYM AS WELL :)

Just wanted to throw that out there since no one else had yet :)

ugh is there really nothing big this year? this needs to change.. this is how games die

my region's community is completely dead.. i've had 2 training sessions in the past 5 months and they were each 2-3 hours. i've reverted to practicing on lv9 foxes like i did when i started smash cause there's nobody to play. **** is depressing
Come to SMYM! I'll friendly you hardcore all day if you want. I'm serious about wanting to get better too :)

:phone:
 

Hax

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id love to come to all of those tournaments but its really lame flying out by yourself, which is what id have to do. jesus (jman) is done with this game and everyone else quit a long time ago. if im to keep playing melee itd be completely dolo; picking up practice off of various people whenever i can and flying out to stuff by myself because i don't have a crew to play with anymore.. i never thought i'd say this, but melee feels more like a job and an obligation at this point =(

this game needs hype, **** talk, pop-offs, coastal pride, high stakes MM's, rivalries etc. to keep it alive. hate is sadly what keeps fighting games alive. that's why i've always cringed whenever people say "<3 smash community" lol; i've always felt that it was slowly but surely killing the hype. i especially hate it when pp/armada say it after they win a national. i'd much rather hear them boast about how ****ing free their wins were (Armada knows apex was free ;)); that'd give me more of a reason to play this game. the way things are right now, the melee community feels like a big happy family, not a fighting game community. i dont like it lol

maybe i'm wrong and i should just consider myself fortunate that my favorite game lasted more than a decade, which is a lot longer than today's competitive games are going to last. but i do feel that there has been a lack of **** talk as of late that has to be atleast somewhat related to melee's decline

i miss melee's golden age so much
 

Hax

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lol you guys go too hard for this game. i'm not blowing hundreds of dollars (which is what flying out to melee tournies means unless you get first) and my time to fly out to regions where i'm tight with 2-3 people tops and have entire rooms root against me if i have to go by myself. sounds like a lot of money, stress, and boredom for no reason. i couldn't care less about how i'm ranked or how good people think i am if that's anyone's answer lol; i know where i stand.

the biggest part of the game for me was always the social aspect. the car ride there and back with your crew, exploring a new city with your crew, sharing a hotel room with your crew etc. if i can't get that from melee anymore because not a single person in new york wants to step it up and fly out to tournaments, then you can consider me semi-retired. i'm sorry, but losing money to fly across the country/world by yourself to play this game is some no life type **** in my book.
 

Mahone

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ya hax, i was just kidding, i actual agree with you that the game is dying cuz everyone is like "yo i **** you, naw jk <3<3<3 ur awesome :)", it's definitely boring at nationals nowadays....

but one thing i would like to say is ur being a little hypocritical when you say "i couldn't care less about how i'm ranked or how good people think i am if that's anyone's answer lol; i know where i stand"...

this is sorta the mentality thats making the game less hype... this is the same reasoning that mango uses after he loses to hbox and armada, and it's not even johning, its the truth... a lot of people know how good they are, so they just decide to have fun with the game rather than play gay just to win... i'm not saying this is wrong, just that it isn't good for hype...

i think there just isn't enough money like back in the mlg days, that was the source of people's hard work and caused a lot of tension between the top players which made it a lot more hype... nowadays nationals are sorta like big smashfests, which is kinda cool in its own way, but also more boring imo
 

TheZhuKeeper

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id love to come to all of those tournaments but its really lame flying out by yourself, which is what id have to do. jesus (jman) is done with this game and everyone else quit a long time ago. if im to keep playing melee itd be completely dolo; picking up practice off of various people whenever i can and flying out to stuff by myself because i don't have a crew to play with anymore.. i never thought i'd say this, but melee feels more like a job and an obligation at this point =(

this game needs hype, **** talk, pop-offs, coastal pride, high stakes MM's, rivalries etc. to keep it alive. hate is sadly what keeps fighting games alive. that's why i've always cringed whenever people say "<3 smash community" lol; i've always felt that it was slowly but surely killing the hype. i especially hate it when pp/armada say it after they win a national. i'd much rather hear them boast about how ****ing free their wins were (Armada knows apex was free ;)); that'd give me more of a reason to play this game. the way things are right now, the melee community feels like a big happy family, not a fighting game community. i dont like it lol

maybe i'm wrong and i should just consider myself fortunate that my favorite game lasted more than a decade, which is a lot longer than today's competitive games are going to last. but i do feel that there has been a lack of **** talk as of late that has to be atleast somewhat related to melee's decline

i miss melee's golden age so much
f u hax don't leave our set score at 91891-1

=)

<3 u and the smash community tho

although i too miss those "golden days", but i still believe something good will come our way before it's over
 

Shroomed

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Hax, I'll take it upon myself to become the ***hole.

Starting now.

We've never played in tourney but I'm pretty sure I'd **** you up. Dude I only lose to ****ing armada/mango/PP/m2k. In all seriousness though, I think I'm at the top of that second tier of players and I'm close to breaking into that "best" player circle. I just need to work on a few things and I'm in GFs of the next Apex/Genesis/whatever.

Edit: I wanna play Darkrain, I think it'd be fun. You guys don't know how to play against Doc though.
 

Tekk

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so I guess meeting new people/visiting new places doesn't count as "the social aspect" of smash
 

Hax

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Shroomed said:
Hax, I'll take it upon myself to become the ***hole.

Starting now.

We've never played in tourney but I'm pretty sure I'd **** you up. Dude I only lose to ****ing armada/mango/PP/m2k. In all seriousness though, I think I'm at the top of that second tier of players and I'm close to breaking into that "best" player circle. I just need to work on a few things and I'm in GFs of the next Apex/Genesis/whatever.

Edit: I wanna play Darkrain, I think it'd be fun. You guys don't know how to play against Doc though.
i go 40-60 vs you in friendlies so you could be right about winning, but 90% of our matches come down to 1 stock high percent, dajuan. i'm surprised you think i'd get ****ed up.

that's a pretty damn good W:L given you've had plenty of falcon practice over the years. i just youtubed "hax falcon dr mario"; the last time i played a doc in tournament was RoM2. the last time i trained vs one was even before then. if i had nearly as much matchup experience as you, you'd probably consistently get *****.

we'll play for 50 next time we see each other

Tekk said:
so I guess meeting new people/visiting new places doesn't count as "the social aspect" of smash
if it wasn't obvious enough, i was saying that i'd much rather meet new people/visit new places along with people i'm close with. do you go on vacations alone?
 

KirbyKaze

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Hax, I'll take it upon myself to become the ***hole.

Starting now.

We've never played in tourney but I'm pretty sure I'd **** you up. Dude I only lose to ****ing armada/mango/PP/m2k. In all seriousness though, I think I'm at the top of that second tier of players and I'm close to breaking into that "best" player circle. I just need to work on a few things and I'm in GFs of the next Apex/Genesis/whatever.

Edit: I wanna play Darkrain, I think it'd be fun. You guys don't know how to play against Doc though.
You should probably add Hungrybox to that list. Although that's not really a bad loss by any means...

I dunno how a set between us would look.

TBH I was scared of the notion of playing Hax at APEX (yet simultaneously excited) but then I found out I was playing Juan again rather than the winner of Hax & Javi and then I was all "sadface".



I don't really have anything useful to add. It sucks about your region, Hax. I sometimes think the camaraderie is good but sometimes it feels awful for all the reasons you've stated...

I think splitting the coasts into WC vs EC as gigantic blanket crews has generally been a mistake tbh. Not a large enough one to inspire huge mass quitting or anything, but I think it was more fun when the regional crews were divided a bit more. Pound 3 was really hype.
 

Max?

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I hate to say it, but I agree with Aziz. Tristate is dead now. Everyone is lazy and/or has moved onto Marvel. And no one seems to care, it's a real shame. I'm glad I moved out of the region when I did, tho I feel like me leaving has also played a very large role in the regions death.

Aziz, I'm probably one of the few people left around who actually gives a **** and is making big strides to improve. I live like an hour and a half away now and work 7 days a week :(, but if you're serious about stepping it up I'm willing to make an effort to meet up and practice. I would also highly suggest travelling to New England as this region is budding with people who really want to improve, have big turnouts and is probably the closest thing to an active smash scene you can get.

Just saying.

I'm not gonna force it on you, feel free to hit me up if you're down

In the mean time, I'm gonna keep exposing people with that 2012 empowerment swag.
 

Niko45

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I feel you Hax. Come to Tommy's more. I'll always be looking to get some quality games in with you. Admittedly I am pretty on the fence myself, just cause for some reason I have lost like 90% of my enthusiasm for this game (and I find myself really bitter and jealous of the new people who are so excited to play). I'm still sorta pushing through, tho, so lets play.
 

N.A.G.A.C.E

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Long island is still reviving and keeps getting bigger... just saying

Edit: also i plan on going to impulse and that nj tourney crismas is hosting, so dont give me "no ny player is willing to travel" and if i didnt have a job or was rich i would travel to a bunch more tourneys

:phone:
 

Windrose

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isn't hax going to college soon? he got like 2300 on his SATs or something. He's probably not going to be in the tri-state area for much longer. New players, new crew.
 

N.A.G.A.C.E

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There r Universities in ny.

Not saying he is or has to go to nyu or anything just saying just b/c he is going to College does not mean he will necessarilyleave the tri state area
:phone:
 

TheCrimsonBlur

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Results
Haags Kwartiertje 2: Oh Oh Falco
Saturday 18 Februari 2012
Dutch National


Singles
1: Jeapie (€90)
2: Remen (€45)
3: Zgetto (€15)
4: Adam
5: Enig
5: Marc
7: UchihaJP
7: Fernandez
9: Ace
9: TrainedNoob
9: TrickerL
9: Dave
13: Utto
13: Coen
13: Fays
13: Ser
17: Jimmy
17: Shino
17: Jumpman
17: Ramses
17: Guus
17: Ryuker
17: Chibi
17: GOAT
25: Thimo
25: Nyr
25: Jeffrey
25: jellsprout
25: Orion
25: Lawrencelot
25: Exalador

oh happy days :D
Why don't you guys post your results in the results forum :/

The Melee scene as a whole is really bad at that; I feel like only half of all tournaments get results threads lol
 

Shroomed

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i go 40-60 vs you in friendlies so you could be right about winning, but 90% of our matches come down to 1 stock high percent, dajuan. i'm surprised you think i'd get ****ed up.

that's a pretty damn good W:L given you've had plenty of falcon practice over the years. i just youtubed "hax falcon dr mario"; the last time i played a doc in tournament was RoM2. the last time i trained vs one was even before then. if i had nearly as much matchup experience as you, you'd probably consistently get *****.

we'll play for 50 next time we see each other



if it wasn't obvious enough, i was saying that i'd much rather meet new people/visit new places along with people i'm close with. do you go on vacations alone?
Alright, I wouldn't **** you lol. I'm pretty sure I'd win though. I know you can beat me too, but if we're both on point I think I'd win. And you're right, my matchup experience greatly overpowers everyone elses which is why I have a pretty easy time with some players that are supposed to be pretty good. Because they have no idea how to fight doctor mario.
 

TheCrimsonBlur

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I feel you Aziz, but at the same time, I think you are equating tristate's **** with the entire Melee community. We just had the 2nd biggest tournament ever (APEX), and WinterGameFest had almost 200 entrants as well. Upcoming we have:

SMYM
Civil War
Zenith
Smasher's Reunion
IMPULSE
NYTE
Northwest Manifest
RoM5 (not officially announced yet)

all of which could crack 100+ (hopefully). That'd be ten 100+ tournaments for the year, and thats just for the tournaments announced so far. There will probably be another big euro tourney (BEAST 3, a UK tournament, or whatever) and maybe even Genesis 3 (check their facebook, they're hinting at it). With so many Melee players playing Marvel, we are seeing more FGC tournaments have Melee too, so that could definitely be promising for the future. Plus you have regions like Texas, MD/VA, and Japan having revivals and WA & FL putting up great local numbers and the future looks pretty good. Lots of things that could be improved but its definitely not as grim as you make it sound lol.

I agree that none of the tourneys I listed are one of the traditional big 3 (POUND, Genesis, or APEX) but maybe one of them could pick up steam and get that kind of interest (Smasher's Reunion, IMPULSE, and Civil War def. have the venues for it). I think everything will end up alright, though I'd really like for us to have another 250+ man tourney this year...I don't want to wait until APEX 2013 for that to happen.

Its really too bad to hear about Jman, but...lets be real, no one ever really quits this game. I don't know what Jman's inspirations are cause he never posts & whenever I'm around him we never talk but its pretty tough to stop loving this game once it gets a hold of you. Thats just how it is. Melee is too good.

Going to tourneys alone is booty though I agree, tristates gotta step it uppp. Hope ya'll figure **** out.
 

Windrose

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Why don't you guys post your results in the results forum :/

The Melee scene as a whole is really bad at that; I feel like only half of all tournaments get results threads lol
They have their own smashboards in europe, south america and asia. SWF is only the main smash forum in north america.

Alright, I wouldn't **** you lol. I'm pretty sure I'd win though. I know you can beat me too, but if we're both on point I think I'd win. And you're right, my matchup experience greatly overpowers everyone elses which is why I have a pretty easy time with some players that are supposed to be pretty good. Because they have no idea how to fight doctor mario.
What kind of trash talking is this? It's all, well formulated and mannered.

Make that eleven.



:cool:
Wow, 2 days!!
 

TheCrimsonBlur

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They have their own smashboards in europe, south america and asia. SWF is only the main smash forum in north america.
Yes, I know. But it makes it really, really hard to follow their results. I feel like it short changes their players by not advertising their accomplishments to the rest of the world..

Besides, even if you live in the netherlands, any competitive smash topic will inevitably lead to SWF. They could be losing out on a lot of potential players by not posting stuff like that.

Make that eleven.



:cool:
**** just got real.

omg.

I wanna go to Michigan :)

(thats a really cool banner btw)
 

King Funk

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this game needs hype, **** talk, pop-offs, coastal pride, high stakes MM's, rivalries etc. to keep it alive. hate is sadly what keeps fighting games alive. that's why i've always cringed whenever people say "<3 smash community" lol; i've always felt that it was slowly but surely killing the hype. i especially hate it when pp/armada say it after they win a national. i'd much rather hear them boast about how ****ing free their wins were (Armada knows apex was free ;)); that'd give me more of a reason to play this game. the way things are right now, the melee community feels like a big happy family, not a fighting game community. i dont like it lol

maybe i'm wrong and i should just consider myself fortunate that my favorite game lasted more than a decade, which is a lot longer than today's competitive games are going to last. but i do feel that there has been a lack of **** talk as of late that has to be atleast somewhat related to melee's decline

i miss melee's golden age so much
I kinda agree. In all these past years I've been watching almost everything Melee on YouTube and expanding my knowledge about the Melee community, there has clearly been a change of attitude among players.

Looking back, I believe that Genesis was the turning point. That tournament really changed everything. Before I explain how so, let's think of how things looked before. In the history of smash until after Genesis, crew battles for instance were regional crew battles. East, West, Midwest, South, Canada or whatever North American region or state competed and seemed to take a lot of pride in those events. Hell, sometimes it was even regions or cities within a state (NorCal vs SoCal). There is lots of footage that immortalized the hype that Melee tournaments had going at the time: old crew battles such as FC3/RoM1, 2008-2009 HMW videos, the FAST1 LF's between Shiz and M2K, the Area52 set between Darkrain and Cactuar, etc. (I could go on forever with examples). Sometimes, merely the fact a top player from a state travels to another brought a lot of excitement, because it didn't seem to be nearly as common an instance as it is nowadays. There were lots of matches people wanted to see and lots of questions unanswered.

But here's what happened at Genesis. Not only was it the largest underground Melee tournament ever hosted at the time, but it also had one crucial element: Armada, a European player, beat everyone, including Mango to get all the way to grand finals. Everything collapsed there. Suddenly it wasn't all West Coast, East Coast or whatever anymore... the country had to unite against a common foe. Americans of all regions cheered for Mango, it didn't matter what he was affiliated with. He was representing the US against the World. And he won.

And everything changed. It's like the borders of every state in the US got blurred. Everyone reconciled. And nationals/internationals were now all about being the absolute best and giving a good fight to Armada or whatever the World had prepared for the US (Amsah and Javi having been the two other most successful players, even if only at one event each). You can feel the sharp contrast of tone in tournaments just by looking at everyone's favorite example, HomeMadeWaffles' videos. NorCal and Socal hype? Shouting/trashtalking/etc.? All but dissapeared. You can clearly sense slight boredom in Brandon and Phil's voices. After all, regions didn't matter too much anymore. Interesting and hyped things did happen after Genesis and beyond: Dr. Peepee's meteoric to the top. But that hype was all centered on PP as an individual player, not on the fact he originated from a rather weak state (sorry NC) or from the East Coast.

All the international tournaments after Genesis also had a lot of hype going for them, but not the same kind of hype as you (Hax) probably liked it. With the top players in Melee virtually set in stone and with progressively less upsets happening (in top 8 play, but there are exceptions of course), events for the average Melee players became much more about meeting their old friends and feeling part of a warm and happy community. I don't mind it too much, but I do agree that Melee has lost quite a bit of its wild side and it is a bit disappointing in this aspect.

The world had become a much bigger place after Genesis. At least for the US.
 

Max?

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Jman's making money, getting ***** and is bored/doesn't have time for the game. Dude might not "quit" but can't blame him for it not being a priority in his life anymore.

Also, most of the world is still *** at this game outside of the US minus a handful of players.
 

TheCrimsonBlur

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The 3 easiest things to improve the Melee community:

1. the return of truly regional crew battles (smaller region distinctions but less players per crew)
2. workable streaming solutions
3. MORE COMMENTARY; the death of commentary in smash vids in the last couple of years has made a drastic impact on our intake of new players

We have more complex problems that would take more work to fix but there is really no excuse for any of the above. Melee tournies had number 1 and 3 for years and then we just...stopped.
 

KirbyKaze

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I've been told by Violence that a large part of WC Canada's reinvigorated smash scene is largely because I trash-talked them and told them they all suck and the bulk of their accomplishments up to that point were "I almost beat <player> but then lost" and they hadn't actually gone all the way on anything. And then they got miserable for a while and didn't like me.

So, yeah, rivalries are one of the many factors that keep the game alive.
 
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Maybe...there needs to be more mike haggars in the boards...
mike haggar was the best, even his anti-american posts were ****ing funny


also, many people had their trolling/ trash talking stint but mods truly are anti-fun. Not only do they infract people for the tiniest of offenses, but they also delete entire posts that may hurt peoples precious feelings

azen said it best in 2006, most smashboard mods are truly ******s
 
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