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Who is the Best Marth right now?(Mew2King excluded)

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phi1ny3

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I probably won't go to Apex; being on the other side of the continent makes it expensive to do so. There will be some BC videos with me, Sion, Silent Wolf, Blunted_Object, etc. just before Christmas time, though.

And there's a regional in WA in March that I'm going to. Kirbykaze, PP, Silent Wolf, Sion, etc.
I'm thinking of going to that regional too. Hopefully my new Marth will be decent by then.
 

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You can make a thread and I can think of quite a few people who'd donate (myself included). I wanna see you play without a messed up thumb lol

As of right now the best players NOT confirmed are you, Zgetto, and Fly Amanita.

Thats not a good list to be on :/
Haha I'm flattered, TCB. But it would $800 on airfare alone, not considering housing and tournament fees. If several people want to see me go, I could look more into it.

We'll see how much I love melee after Dec. 17 tournament here in BC. There should be lotss of good videos from that tournament.
 

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@Diaknos: I'd donate for damn sure...also how is it that leffen (what is he like 16/17) goes to Apex but Calle W isn't going.(praying for the day America gets to see Calle W.
 

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@Diaknos: I'd donate for damn sure...also how is it that leffen (what is he like 16/17) goes to Apex but Calle W isn't going.(praying for the day America gets to see Calle W.
I heard Leffen's more like 12ish, from a reliable source.

Pretty hyped that Ice is going.

Also Spam you weren't too far away from the truth, I think Armada played Falco in the finals, maybe some swede or Leffen can confirm that.
 

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Armada played Falco because he knew he'd lose on PS and I'm also really bad vs Falco. Falco is gonna be his serious counterpick vs great fox mains on ps from now on (esp in ntsc) fyi. The majority of our fox vs Peach matches where pretty damn close and its armada, so I know for sure that he did not sandbag.
 

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The only important thing about Leffen is that he has long, boyish hair and he consistently does interesting stuf after Lcancel.
 

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leffen, i don't see sion going toe to toe with armada as calle has done pretty often, is that cause calle plays armada alot or did at the time? i know they have a decent amount of friendlies on youtube.
 

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they play each others all the time yeah.

Calle W is definitely 2nd best in the world at the peach matchup but he lacks a bit in some others (Sheik, Puff).
 

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gotcha, still i LOVE sion but i would still find calle to be a more intuitive, creative player..just stupid youtube speculation of course.

what euro doesn't lack puff practice? :p

also people sleep on armadas non peach characters. i remember playing his spacies like 2 years ago in france and was impressed as hell. most americans aren't even aware of his animals
 

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Armadas other characters are for sure at a m2k like level in certain matchups, no doubt in my mind bout that tbh

(I also heard he 3stocked axe in a falco ditto, ;o)
 

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Could anyone tell me when the last time Marth won a national? Just curious.
 

ShroudedOne

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What tournament was it that Armada played Falco, and are there vids up? I only see some stuff of his Falco against Calle W...
 

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Armada played Falco because he knew he'd lose on PS and I'm also really bad vs Falco. Falco is gonna be his serious counterpick vs great fox mains on ps from now on (esp in ntsc) fyi. The majority of our fox vs Peach matches where pretty damn close and its armada, so I know for sure that he did not sandbag.
any vids?

they play each others all the time yeah.

Calle W is definitely 2nd best in the world at the peach matchup but he lacks a bit in some others (Sheik, Puff).
who is the first best at it iyo?
 

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I am of the opinion that Calle W *****. He just seems to do stuff intuitively and play really smart.

Not that Sion isn't good (he's my doubles partner, and he beat me last tournament) but I consider Calle W to be pretty well world-class. Maybe that's just because I'm always seeing his best matchup, though.
 

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Hard to say after m2k. Maybe Taj? I Think Taj might be the best marth in some matchups, like vs Falco. Other marth's good enough to mention are Ice's marth and maybe mangos marth. Though after seeing how m2k won marth-dittoes against mango, mango's marth didn't feel like very good. But I know I know, m2k is just so beast in that matchup. It's hard to say about Ice though, because his skill level of marth has not been tested in USA. And also Ice plays lot of sheik too, sometimes fox. I think there are certain matchups were Ice won't use marth at all in tournaments, like vs. Sheik.
 

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@Jpobs/Shrouded

The tournament was this weekend, and vids were recorded. If you're feeling impatient they are already uploaded to ajp's website. Ajp will probably start uploading to YT soon though.

I'm a little mad because my bracket set vs Aniolas at that tournament doesn't seem to have been recorded even though we played on the recording setup :(
 

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Vids will be up this weekend on youtube, ajp is in France atm. Me and Calle W's LF set was really hype and it included a lot of creative stuff ;)

PP is imo the best at Falco v Peach.
He studies it more than anyone else, and even tho he doesnt have that much peach experience his style fits the match up far too well for anyone to seriously challenge him for #1.

I don't really count Mango and tbh, I don't think he'd do that well vs Armada EVEN if he played how he thinks is "the best".

I really hate talking about how well Calle W would do in america because he isnt going now and it will probably be a very long time before he goes.
I just know that I'm a fair bit better atm and I'm gonna make sure to not choke like I did at G2 ;)


@Beat: lool, my incredibly smexy jv4 stock vs aniolas was also not recorded as far as I can see ;(
 

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Nvm, got it.

But I can't tell which matches belong to whom...I guess I'll just wait till he uploads them...
 

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Vids will be up this weekend on youtube, ajp is in France atm. Me and Calle W's LF set was really hype and it included a lot of creative stuff ;)

PP is imo the best at Falco v Peach.
He studies it more than anyone else, and even tho he doesnt have that much peach experience his style fits the match up far too well for anyone to seriously challenge him for #1.

I don't really count Mango and tbh, I don't think he'd do that well vs Armada EVEN if he played how he thinks is "the best".

I really hate talking about how well Calle W would do in america because he isnt going now and it will probably be a very long time before he goes.
I just know that I'm a fair bit better atm and I'm gonna make sure to not choke like I did at G2 ;)


@Beat: lool, my incredibly smexy jv4 stock vs aniolas was also not recorded as far as I can see ;(
any specific reason why he's not going btw, money johns/no passport or VISA issues?

also armada's falco is rediculous, he ***** me in friendlies with it at pound V
 

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Calle W wouldn't make a dent if he came over. That Falco is as sexy as it is average.
Calle W is overrated but he is by no means average.


Sion level at least imho.
I think the at this point it's fair to say things like this. The thing about Calle W is he seemed very good compared to Falco's world wide in 08-09. now that it's almost 012 and Falco's have stepped it up he seems to have been caught up to/passed by alot of people who seemed behind him or close to even with him. At one point I would've picked him over Dr.PP back when PP couldn't defeat Jman for example.

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lille luleff: vad gör ajp i frankrike? reser med familjen eller är det nån turre där?

lille luleff is most deffinetly 12 years old
is AJP from france or is he there for an event? idk...my swede is horrible. Anyways didn't you get banned???
 

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Yeah. During that Time I'd say Falco/Shiz were about even(many thought Slight shiz but mango played smarter). Then there was Zhu and Calle W was considered in the mix with those two and everyone else was kinda left out. Now...PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT. like 500 falcos to consider.
 
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