[VIC] Brawl Power Rankings (VERSION TEN) Updated LAST YEAR LOL

[swordsaint]

Sweet. Alright. Makes perfect sense when finding it difficult to decide upon players of near equal skill.

 

[Jei Jei]

This is probably a little late to mention but Leisha actually did not qualify out of pools at that tournament. She was thrown in as a wild card to even the bracket out. No disrespect to you Leisha I actually mentioned your name during the PR final discussion but saying you came 17th at that tournament meant that you came last in that tournament.

 

[swordsaint]

Getting last in your pool is getting last at that tournament. Getting last in the bracket is getting last in the bracket.

 

[Shaya]

Scoot it's fine for now.

There have already been numerous mentions of the list currently taking a longer view of this year's brawl history, which has had little impact from Leisha.

Leave it for another time, etc etc.

 

[luke_atyeo]

hey I've got a great idea, lets NOT learn from the past few days and instead cause another fight.
gosh, I'm so smart

 

[dean.]

before this list was announced, i would've considered myself lucky to make top 20, let alone 10th.

i don't think i've ever outplaced Nicks in a tournament, and we've only played once in tournament (rocky pools, going 1-1). i don't think i've ever outplaced Dekar. i've only outplaced Condog at the november stigma, and he beat me the only time we've played in tournament. same deal with X and Haydino, i think. my tournament results are not impressive, having come last twice at stigmas during the year and coming 4th in my rocky pool, making the november stigma my best placing (13th), which i feel is not up to standard for a PR 10th.

 

[Melancholy]

Finally this is unlocked so I can say how awesome it is to see a G&W in the top 3.

Splice, you are my hero.

<3<3

 

[luke_atyeo]

I think splice is everyones hero

also sorry cao

 

[Jei Jei]

Getting last in your pool is getting last at that tournament. Getting last in the bracket is getting last in the bracket.

Good call. I meant to say bracket my bad.

 

[CAOTIC]

Thanks for your input Dean. I’d like to reiterate that the VPR is an attempt an educated judgement on a player’s skill, ‘skill’ being loosely defined as a series of all-encompassing measurements that goes beyond just tournament data (even though tournament data obviously accounts for a good amount of our decision making). This is where subjectivity comes in, as controversial as it is, but it also allows us to draw in assumptions where we can say we believe someone is good, by virtue of their demonstrated talents with, say, a difficult/disadvantaged character, or where we see someone who is unmistakeably talented but does not necessarily rank high in tournaments. This is an ideal approach to creating a PR, as the construct of Brawl tournaments is inherently flawed and does not fully represent where people stand - tournament results just give you a number at the end of the day and luck also plays a huge part in deciding what number you get - so we shouldn’t placing all of our decisions on tournament results when there are too many variables inside of tournaments that are determined by the game itself rather than the player (such as stage, character selections, undesirable matchups and disadvantages, etc). In short, these rankings are about who has made an impression in tournaments or otherwise, and it’s ok to think you’re being overrated. Maybe it can give you a chance to figure out why you're placed in the PR to begin with.

"Rankings take into consideration a person's collective Singles performances over history and of recent times." - Key word bring 'performances' - not results.

 

[dean.]

thanks for the input CAO, i still don't necessarily agree with my position but i can accept the views of the panel.

 

[Splice]

Everyones being so nice in general right now, it makes me SQUEE! ^_^

@Dean : Your improvement from Rocky to the most recent Stigma, surely you must have felt it? You came 13th, that's only one spot down from me at 9th. It was a tough tourney, so even though it is a lower placing, it still holds a lot of value due to the players in attendance at that tournament. Remember to keep that in mind

I predict a gradual incline from Nicks.

 

[ViVa]

I'm pretty surprised at my place, thanks panelists

 

[Afropony]

It's good to see every one in a much freindlier mood, Viva I think you deserved your place by the end of this smash season, you've improved tremendously.

I have a query, however.
I’d just like to know how Jei has been ranked above me. I don’t want to cause an argument but by looking at the latest portion of tournaments it makes no sense to me.

Here's a list of recent tournaments, I'm on the left he's on the right.
Stigma-B september 5 9
Stigma-H september 4 7
Stigma-B october 4 5
Rocky 9 17
Stigma-B November 7 9
Stigma-Bryan 3 7

Seeing as though he didn’t outplace me once in the last six tournaments I don’t see how he has been placed above me.

 

[Splice]

Nah I_Lag that criteria only comes into play if the two players are really close and hard to decide between.

Whilst i'm not saying Jei is leagues behind Afro, it's quite clear to see whose better judging by those results, so whatever the reasoning behind it, I'm pretty sure there would be more to it than that.

Also Jeis MK doesnt beat my GaW, and Afroponys Pit does (except for that one time).

 

[Tanman]

Totally gonna prove myself and at least get to top ten. Dean, Haydino, Dekar. Best watch your back.

 

[Jei Jei]

I have already agreed that Afropony should be placed above me, it's true, he's simply better in almost every way. He's younger, better looking etc.
I actually don't have a reason as to why I'm above him but I must say one thing to you Mr. Splice:

MU's are slightly altered when it's against the person you practice with. I mean, there are certain characters I can just lol at when I vs them but if I were to have a buddy that uses one of those characters and we play against each other all the time you can bet our matches will eventually be extremely close every single time.

I never even doubted it once when I can barely touch your G&W with Pit and then watch Afro beat you the very next match with his Pit. It just means he knows you better, I have many other examples but I think you should see my point.

Dw though, I'm not going to be on the next PR, I quit.

 

[Attila_]

jei quit, and i am not pleased.

it appears that quite a few people are not having fun with this game anymore. people take note, cause the scene is dying quickly, and will be extinct unless we're all cautious.

@ilag: youre wrong. dont make trouble. im not in the mood.

 

[Splice]

Uh you seem to have misunderstood Jei.

I_Lag was saying you'd better because of the tiers of your character, I was just saying that you have also used MK and not been able to beat me, and he does not have to use MK to be able to beat me, he uses Pit, showing that Pony is just as legit with low tiers, and that you have resorted to high tiers in the past.

I know that between me and Afropony the Pit vs GaW MU is about 60:40 or less, it's still a valid point.

No-one's having a go at you Jei, no-one wants you off the PR :/

 

[TakFR]

I think Jei has a legit reason for quiting guys so you shouldn't feel bad for it >_>

 

[dean.]

Splice: eh not really, I just feel like people run into my attacks more, I dunno. I'm just suprised because I didn't think half the panel had ever watched me play before the last Stigma.

Tan: sorry man, the only way I'm going is up!

I haven't seen Jei play as of late so I can't really say much; Afro's still a really impressive player though whenever I watch. It's probably one of those borderline decisions where, unfortunately, someone has to be lower.

 

[Splice]

Splice: eh not really, I just feel like people run into my attacks more, I dunno.

Your so modest

Spoiler

Or your just saying we're all getting worse =S

Well, to put another notch in Deans belt, he's beat me with Ganondorf in a tourney, legit.
So many reasons why your pro Dean. Just wait until you come to like... 3 tournaments in a ROW! That would be amazing skill-flaunting for you.

 

[CAOTIC]

Just for your information, a review for this should be systematically happening every quarter, so March would release the next revision. When that happens, I'll be inviting some new people to join the panel, whilst others withdraw from it. I'll be co-ordinating the discussions, but not necessairily providing any input. Any takers should PM me about it!

 

[C~Dog]

Since we're gonna be having more tourneys per month next year, i think it would be more accurate if the PR was updated every 2 months instead of every 3.

 

[CAOTIC]

We want to reduce our workload, not increase it.

 

[C~Dog]

If your cycling people on and off the panel, it shouldn't really be an issue since the workload is spread amond those people. The increased workload is worth more accurate rankings imo.

 

[CAOTIC]

There's still people that'll more or less remain permanent on the panel - I for one, since I have to teach people how to do a proper PR. Additionally, there's mainstayers like Tibs and Attila, who will pretty much be on top of the knowledge bank of this region for a long time and are needed for continuity measures.

A three month update is just fine; two months is too optimistic of a time-span required to update a list. We will still get more accurate rankings if your assumption of increased tournament output is correct, since we'll have more data to work with.

However, I personally doubt your assumption of increased tournaments over the next year; too many tournaments creates a 'burn-out' effect that will devalue the tournaments it competes with. That, in turn, will reduce the demand for tournaments that succeed it. A scene of our size cannot sustain more than two tournaments a month.

That's just my position on things; there's no guarantee tournament activity will amp up.

 

[_X_]

There's still people that'll more or less remain permanent on the panel - I for one, since I have to teach people how to do a proper PR. Additionally, there's mainstayers like Tibs and Attila, who will pretty much be on top of the knowledge bank of this region for a long time and are needed for continuity measures.

This made me laugh.

However, I personally doubt your assumption of increased tournaments over the next year; too many tournaments creates a 'burn-out' effect that will devalue the tournaments it competes with. That, in turn, will reduce the demand for tournaments that succeed it. A scene of our size cannot sustain more than two tournaments a month.

That's just my position on things; there's no guarantee tournament activity will amp up.

I agree.

 

[Leisha]

Since I'm bored I'll make a prettier P/R list like sydney and queensland :3

Also since Jei has quit, who will manage the front page and change it when needed be? Oh then again cao can just change the post xD

 

[Jei Jei]

I are still panelist.
PM me your pretty list =D

 

[Leisha]

Oh okay awesome, sent and sent =D

I only did from 1 to 10 though, ill do the others later when I actually can be bothered getting onto photoshop lawl

 

[Surgi]

"Pah Surgi should be ranked number 1 he is totally the best" - Direct quote from cao ;D

 

[Splice]

You can have my spot Surgi.

 

[Surgi]

^^ thanks but didnt you hear cao im already number 1 ;D

 

[Splice]

Ok well they should hurry up and edit the first page then. Pretty lazy of them, to just put the No.1 Champion on hold, don't you think?

 

[Surgi]

T_T your right... dey should pay for dat

 

[Zero]

Does Earl get #1 now or is he Meta Gimped?

 

[Splice]

Probably meta gimped, better be at least #2nd though!

 

[Attila_]

earl has NEVER taken a set off my snake. not ever. cant see him being number 1 just yet.

but in a few months, maybe.

and hes not meta-gimped. tiers were used to split players of equal ability (among other factors), which at the time, we did not deem necessary to determine earl's placing.

 

[Nova]

Earl has improved ridiculously in the past month or so, it'll be interesting to see that M/U Attila.