Official Viability Ratings v2 | Competitive Impressions

[Yikarur]

Update hype. I'm downloading right now.

 

[Man Li Gi]

So lame.....jokes. the update came promptly at 8:00 p.m Central Time Zone Chicago for me. Guess everyone should check their wii u.

 

[Ikes]

i'll test Toon Link and see if anything feels different, be back with you losers soon B)

 

[Nu~]

So when will the new thread be up?

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Update Live

Replays confirmed to be dead

 

[Man Li Gi]

So when will the new thread be up?

Whenever Shaya comes back.

 

[Ikes]

Update Live

Replays confirmed to be dead

this does imply character changes, yes?

that's sort of a confirmation that we got buffs and nerfs.

 

[Teshie U]

Can anyone tell how big the update is? Its downloading pretty fast for me, doesn't seem big, but even major changes aren't much data right? Just numbers being changed...

Replays being dead means we got SOME sort of gameplay changes. At the very least it means potential bug fixes.

 

[Smog Frog]

bug fixes? i really hope they fixed because he is the buggiest mess to ever exist in a smash game aside from

 

[FullMoon]

Balance changes confirmed!

Greninja's shuriken now has less start-up!

 

[Nu~]

If bug fixes are happening, then Pac-Man's glitches should disappear...

 

[Vipermoon]

ALRIGHT LISTEN GUYS. MARTH HAS ALREADY FOUND BUFFS. WHERE IS THE PATCH CHANGES THREAD?????

 

[|RK|]

NOOOOOOO

You guys realize that we are sans Thinkaman this time, right?

 

[NachoOfCheese]

Character's best and worst matchups?
The Dongcopter's worst matchup is Fox. Sheik may be a close second, but Fox was practically designed to beat the King of Swing. Ness also gives us a hard time.
Best matchup?
I'm tempted to say Bowser because of how hard he gets combo'd and his lack of landing options is good news for DK's great juggle game. I can't say for sure because I've never fought a competitive Bowser before.

 

[Superbat]

are u guys serious? @ Vipermoon @ FullMoon Dont joke about this stuff man. lol

 

[Yikarur]

Sheiks fair is changed. damage reduced on both hitboxes and the weaker hitbox got bigger.

 

[Nu~]

People no longer sink through the stage when they step on a trampoline and pacman makes a new one

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Sheiks fair is changed. damage reduced on both hitboxes and the weaker hitbox got bigger.

Wait, damage reduced? How much damage does it do now, 0.5%?

 

[Ikes]

just gonna list some changes I think may have happened to tink, some might be placebo, IDK

-Toon Link's F-Smash feels like it links better
-Toon Link's bair seems to come out earlier
-knockback on toon links bair seems to be a bit more vertical(?) (not sure about this one since i hadn't used bair much before this patch)

thats what ive got so far, correct me if i seem wrong

DASH GRAB CONFIRMED 2 FRAMES FASTER THIS IS PERFECT

 

[ParanoidDrone]

Wait, damage reduced? How much damage does it do now, 0.5%?

Like, really, her fair was already pretty weak. Unless they make it do literally 1% (for trolling her with Gordo or something, IDK) I'm not sure what the point of nerfing its damage yet again would be.

Edit to clarify that I haven't finished downloading the update myself so this isn't a confirmation of the change. I'm just a bit baffled at the idea of another fair nerf.

 

[Bribery]

Kirby:
F-throw: 7% -> 5%, Launch angle appears to be more vertical as well. Combos into Fair, Uair, Final Cutter, and Upper Cutter! This improves his grab game significantly. Upper Cutter is a true combo at kill %s.

 

[Yikarur]

hahaha
it does about 4,33% (instead of 4,8%and 5%. (instead of 5,5%)
and it has 1-2 more landing lag.

 

[|RK|]

Kirby:
F-throw: 7% -> 5%, Launch angle appears to be more vertical as well. Combos into Fair, Uair, Final Cutter, and Upper Cutter!

Oh **** yes

 

[Firefoxx]

Apparently Dantarion has access to the patch files and is tweeting out stuff.

 

[NachoOfCheese]

Guys PLEASE don't post anything you haven't tested yourself. And don't base your assumed changes on "feelings."
Test side by side or look up frame data. Be wary of placebo.
Thank you.

 

[FullMoon]

Okay I think the Greninja buff might have been placebo, I'm not sure anymore.

I think I finally fell victim to the placebo effect lol.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Kirby:
F-throw: 7% -> 5%, Launch angle appears to be more vertical as well. Combos into Fair, Uair, Final Cutter, and Upper Cutter! This improves his grab game significantly. Upper Cutter is a true combo at kill %s.

what

is this true

Somebody, please test this. I need more confirmation. wtf?

 

[Rashyboy05]

So.. Lythero tweeted with a .gif that Link's U-Throw can kill Falcon at 40% can he always do that?

Tweet for those curious: https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/626929782941458432

EDIT: IGNORE THIS! It's proven fake.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

So.. Lythero tweeted with a .gif that Link's U-Throw can kill Falcon at 40% can he always do that?

Tweet for those curious: https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/626929782941458432

I'm hoping he changed the knockback settings

 

[Spinosaurus]

So.. Lythero tweeted with a .gif that Link's U-Throw can kill Falcon at 40% can he always do that?

Tweet for those curious: https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/626929782941458432

You can adjust knockback in settings. It's fake.

 

[|RK|]

what

is this true

Somebody, please test this. I need more confirmation. wtf?

OMG, Fthrow to Upper Cutter is a thing. Registers in training mode

EDIT: Said Fair by mistake.

 

[Rashyboy05]

You can adjust knockback in settings. It's fake.

Ah, if that's the case. My bad.

 

[NachoOfCheese]

@ Man Li Gi Any DK changes? Don't have the patch yet.

 

[Ikes]

So.. Lythero tweeted with a .gif that Link's U-Throw can kill Falcon at 40% can he always do that?

Tweet for those curious: https://twitter.com/Lythero/status/626929782941458432

tested in training, doesnt work for me

 

[C0rvus]

Robin has down throw combos! Holy crap this is pretty big! Like it sends you nowhere at lower percents. This could be a huge boon to Robin.

 

[Man Li Gi]

@ Man Li Gi Any DK changes? Don't have the patch yet.

Haven't tested it yet.
Edit: I haven't seen anything significant in his changes. Talk about underwhelming.

 

[Nu~]

Pac-Man's arm isn't a dead zone anymore when he grabs.

Finally!!

 

[Gunla]

Please keep patch changes mostly to this thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-mode-1-1-0-community-patch-notes.412130/#post-19790582

 

[zeldasmash]

Robin Dthrow is beautiful!

 

[Gamegenie222]

Well Robin got buff damage on Thunder and Elthunder and Down Throw pops them way less into the air so now Robin can get Down Throw to wind Jab. Now I'm testing out Falco stuff.