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Not even mediocre - Ness' Dair is so bad that if you actually ever manage to get an edge-guard with it, that's complete and utter disrespect. One of the the few Falcon-esque "HA!" moves Ness has.... And also almost certainly his worst move.
"Ness has a strong kill throw in a game where grabs are important.Not even mediocre - Ness' Dair is so bad that if you actually ever manage to get an edge-guard with it, that's complete and utter disrespect. One of the the few Falcon-esque "HA!" moves Ness has.... And also almost certainly his worst move.
It's such a shame too, that move was like top 3 powerful spikes in Brawl.
Most grounded meteors combos into stuffs. Samus' D-air spike to B-air is pretty legit. Samus' U-tilt to about everything is pretty legit.
The real use for Marth/Lucina D-airs is for hitting people behind you reactively if they do cheeky inward rolls.
aerials. I know he's a bad character, but for the most part I'd say it's not because of his moveset. His Bair and Dair are definitely his worse aerials (mainly due to having >30 frames of landing lag and not autocancelling for >40 frames), but they have their applications.
I mean, it at least auto cancels on platforms like BF and Smashville, but sometimes that's not enough and who would still be airdodging into the ground?!
I dunno. It autocancels out of a SH, so it has use as a spotdodge punisher and pressurer?
Not to mention fair, uair, nair...Just here to say a little about
The thing about Bair is that it's a massive disjointed hitbox that kills people. It's pretty much a smash attack in terms of its frame data, but as an aerial you can retreat while using it; it can at least autocancel out of a fullhop, and the ability to turn around in a mid-air jump gives it a reasonable amount of utility, since it's pretty much impossible to challenge with an attack, it's that big and disjointed (you can sweetspot a Wii Fit out of Jumbo Hoop without getting hit, as an example). It's a really strong punish tool in general; baiting moves and dodging with an extra jump into Bair is one of Charizard's few valid landing options.
Charizard's Dair is one of the strongest meteors in the game at 14% with 20 BKB/100 KBG, meaning if you actually land the move off-stage there's a really high chance they're dead. A key characteristic of the Dair is that the meteor hitbox is actually gigantic and extends a decent way up Charizard's body, because it doesn't have a sourspot; any hit during frames 18-20 sends the opponent straight down, the weaker non-meteor hitbox simply comes afterwards. The move is extremely useful against characters with predictable/no hitboxes on recovery. If they so much as clip their toes into your torso from above during those three magical frames, they're thrown deep into the abyss like goddamn the move is cheesy sometimes.
All that said, I probably don't know enough about most characters' Bairs and Dairs to rank them against Charizard's, but they'd probably be up there if not for the ridiculous amounts of lag on them. Really, a lot of Charizard's moves can be summed up the same way: "It's pretty laggy, but have you seen the hitbox on it?"
Still a real light and techable hit on the ground. I know some people use it but i could never work it in.
has a good dair. its frame 10, doesnt have a finicky sweetspot, always catches airdodges since its so active, does alot of damage, can be comboed into from dthrow, can finish nair strings, and it sets up jab locks. its one of the weakest spikes, compensated by how reliable it is.
Doc: You ain't a dair fighter mac
Mac's Dair jab resets. In other words, off a missed tech you can use it to true combo into his entire moveset, including KO punch.
But we need SOME character to be the running joke of Smash Bros! Come to think of it, Bowser has been pretty consistantly bad throughout all the games. I mean he's "eh" here but not more than lower mid. DK was actually decent in Brawl asides from DDD's infinite on him. Any other character than Bowser and Zelda who've been consistently "unviable" to put it bluntly thus far? Was gonna say Link but he's decent here in Sm4sh.
My friend, a tourney placing Sheik main, says he only uses it "for disrespect" because it's so bad.
Fox is top in Brawl in Japan so he has that going for him lol.
can this be done at % that kills?
