BladeWise
Smash Lord
DK 64 is camp heaven for spacies
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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)
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_lemons
Smash Journeyman
Answered your own question.
Edit: With that being said, what do you guys think about DK64 in general for peach? High ceilings and no ledge-teching seem good for her. Also, the faux-floor gives her more options from the ledge, maybe?
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
dk 64 is the double edged blade of peach CP's. Look at what happens when you take your opponent there:
Fox: Lazer camping all the time.
Falco: lazer camping and high jump allows platform control that peach can't compete with
sheik: sheik runs DK64
falcon: Falcon secretly runs DK64 more than sheik
Jiggs: You get 1 advantage in this matchup from DK64, and hardly that: Vertical movement. Even so, that only pays off if you're planning on camping.
IC's: Why didn't you go brinstar?
That's not to say it doesn't give peach some advantages. Marth gets ***** there, foxes shine combos get disturbed by the slants (everyone needs to know this), peach gets more options while recovering, and you have room to recover and camp. I think it's a better idea to just go where you're comfortable. I've been CPing brinstar even when Mute was legal, I just have an easy time there. If you don't know a stage, don't go there just because it can give you an advantage. I think peaches should go back to square 1 and CP to DL64. It's assumed that you know how to use the advantage when they say there is one.
/ramble about how I hate playing vs fox on DK64
Fox: Lazer camping all the time.
Falco: lazer camping and high jump allows platform control that peach can't compete with
sheik: sheik runs DK64
falcon: Falcon secretly runs DK64 more than sheik
Jiggs: You get 1 advantage in this matchup from DK64, and hardly that: Vertical movement. Even so, that only pays off if you're planning on camping.
IC's: Why didn't you go brinstar?
That's not to say it doesn't give peach some advantages. Marth gets ***** there, foxes shine combos get disturbed by the slants (everyone needs to know this), peach gets more options while recovering, and you have room to recover and camp. I think it's a better idea to just go where you're comfortable. I've been CPing brinstar even when Mute was legal, I just have an easy time there. If you don't know a stage, don't go there just because it can give you an advantage. I think peaches should go back to square 1 and CP to DL64. It's assumed that you know how to use the advantage when they say there is one.
/ramble about how I hate playing vs fox on DK64
VA
Smash Hero
Yup, that exact thing happened to me, it ate me like it ate bum's DK. It was grand finals of a UK tournament and I had never seen it before. I was like
and just got on with it.
Rosedemon
Smash Champion
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Dk64 is like my home away from home.
That stage *****.
Pick it mainly against Marf and Samus. I rarely take a spacie there because I dont want them to wise up and camp me. I took a jiggs there once and camped him. Felt a little Paulish.
You can get away with Dk64 if you know the player is aggressive of if its Jiggs, Marf, Samus, *Insert Low Tier Character*. Other than that, i'd go for something a little less "Omg immma camp yo ***!"
That stage *****.
Pick it mainly against Marf and Samus. I rarely take a spacie there because I dont want them to wise up and camp me. I took a jiggs there once and camped him. Felt a little Paulish.
You can get away with Dk64 if you know the player is aggressive of if its Jiggs, Marf, Samus, *Insert Low Tier Character*. Other than that, i'd go for something a little less "Omg immma camp yo ***!"
thesage
Smash Hero
It sucks because all of my cps (Jungle Japes, Corneria, and Mute City) were all banned. lol.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Peach will have 3 cp's even on the p4 ruleset lol, and she can get a reasonable upper hand on 2 of the 3 in almost all top tier matchups, imo
who'd you go japes with?
who'd you go japes with?
thesage
Smash Hero
I just really like jungle japes a lot and both my Ness and Peach do really well there. I just know when the klaptrap will be there for some reason. Brinstar's lava is so confusing to me...
DK 64 doesn't work against the characters I have to fight against in my area (Mainly Fox, Falcon, and Marth).
DK 64 doesn't work against the characters I have to fight against in my area (Mainly Fox, Falcon, and Marth).
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Yeah, I laugh a little every time a marth bans DL64 and DK64's available. My favorite part about that matchup on that stage is recovery options. You can come in any of 4 places. Marth can come in directly to the stage, and if he's lucky he can make the high platform. As soon as he gets off the stage, marth should either lag or he should die.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
DK64 is pretty terrible against Falcon and Fox but I think Marth sucks there.
thesage
Smash Hero
How does it mess up his combos?
_lemons
Smash Journeyman
In my admittedly limited experience, DK64 ruins so many potential combos for me, with one of the platforms swooping down and saving them and what not.
I love Dk64. the slants make my FC nairs look so much faster
GSUB
Smash Lord
omg this.
good peach stage thoughhh. god forbid they switch from marth though.
But like I was saying, I was playing Tai in tourney with my puff, he was fox. He was at 0%, I uthrow -> uair -> regrab -> uthrow -> lolhimynameismovingplatfrom,melee'sbiggesttroll,nocomboforyouPUFF!hereFox,letmetakeyoutosafety.
john!
Smash Hero
false
randall is melee's biggest troll
but that moving platform can be a ***** sometimes lol
randall is melee's biggest troll
but that moving platform can be a ***** sometimes lol
GSUB
Smash Lord
hmmm, chu date, lol.
nice brawlcode too, lel
nice brawlcode too, lel
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
ninjalink, the cloud or both?
john!
Smash Hero
ninjalink? you mean the azen of brawl who plays like every character?
lol i was talking about the cloud, but sure why not...
lol i was talking about the cloud, but sure why not...
Silly Kyle
Smash Champion
Omg, I hate Randall!! He f**** me over all the time!! Once in a blue moon he will save me from certain death... but generally he's a POS that likes to save my opponents!!
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
you anger randall
sacrifice your household pet in his name and beg for forgiveness
sacrifice your household pet in his name and beg for forgiveness
Quaz
Smash Master
everytime I take a marth player to DK64 they switch to fox.
they always hide that furry mother ****er in their ***. =(
they always hide that furry mother ****er in their ***. =(
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
VA
Smash Hero
If you play with randall he'll help you always. I try to waveland on him as much as possible, it puts a smile on his face. Me and Randall have been in a loving relationship for some time now.
thesage
Smash Hero
Randal eat my thunder sometimes... or I bounce off of him and die sometimes...
VA
Smash Hero
Teching randall/dropping through randall/wavelanding on randall/blind recovery to randall are all games that he likes. If you play them he starts helping you all dai.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
wait... dk64? with peach? :-/. idk about that.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
^
welcome to playing peach, here are your complimentary CP stages
welcome to playing peach, here are your complimentary CP stages
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
i'm usually only comfortable on neutrals and i don't know any marths who don't have a fox in their back pocket for stages like dk64. sadly, i'd prolly rather play against a fox on that wack *** stage than a marth on a neutral... ugh... horrible options.
_lemons
Smash Journeyman
Ditto. Playing against marth is so miserable.
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
my friend today started countering my turnip approaches, so i'd have to occasionally throw a turnip up to bait his counter reaction. closest thing i've found to an approach.
TheGeneral
Smash Journeyman
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If he's getting really predictable about it, grab a turnip and then fair him in the face. Time it so that it looks like you're jumping and throwing a turnip and the fair hits after his counter isn't active. Or just start a fair from float and if he counters, land before fair comes out then go d-smash him or something cool like that.
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
some good ideas.
other than being able to edge guard him decently, i'm pretty terrible against marth.
i find myself trying to dash dance him and idk why. lol the best thing that can come from it is a lucky dash attack since marth's dash dancing is amazing.
i've come full circle from when i started smash.
i first thought marth was peach's worst match up.
then i thought it was fox.
then i thought it was sheik.
now i'm back to thinking it's marth.
back to square one, i guess...
i don't even wanna learn this match up. lol
other than being able to edge guard him decently, i'm pretty terrible against marth.
i find myself trying to dash dance him and idk why. lol the best thing that can come from it is a lucky dash attack since marth's dash dancing is amazing.
i've come full circle from when i started smash.
i first thought marth was peach's worst match up.
then i thought it was fox.
then i thought it was sheik.
now i'm back to thinking it's marth.
back to square one, i guess...
i don't even wanna learn this match up. lol
trademark0013
Smash Champion
peachs best cp stage was taken from her b/c plank is a hater
Silly Kyle
Smash Champion
I hate Marth!! he is soooooo annoying!
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
i like that mute city is banned.
i know it's beyond greatness for peach, but i don't like the idea of a counter pick playing that strong of a role.
now this in no way means i like the plank stage set. i just like that he was willing to change it.
MacD
Banned via Administration
god forbid you have to be actually good at this game to win instead of letting mute city do it for you
trademark0013
Smash Champion
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
omg is that the real MACD?!