VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[ShroudedOne]

Up throw > Peach bomber on spacies can work maybe once every blue moon. I remember doing it once. It was sweet.

(Also, there are bats around my mouse pointer.)

(EDIT: And now they're gone?)

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

If only peach bomber had good knockback...

 

[Mike G]

its not that bad imo. the smash version of peach bomber has pretty good knockback even with DI at around 80% or so.

plus not having good knock back only encourages combos if you set up for a reverse peach bomber.


i should create a peach bomber guide for peach players that want to swag lol

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

reverse peach bomber...

must see....

 

[Mike G]

its basically when peach bomber causes to send the character being hit in the other direction(to peach) there are actually a few ways to guarantee it to happen such as hitting an opponent that has just been floored and has missed the tech.

 

[choknater]

wow i didn't even know peach bomber had tilt and smash versions.

 

[Mike G]

yup. it also covers a bit more distance as well. go to Poke stadium on training mode, go to any one of the top platforms, then have peach lose her balance at either edge and test both versions in the other direction. if done correctly, the normal peach bomber will land peach at the other edge while the smash verson sends her flying just passed it lol. its a good way to gauge the distance between them imo

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

another cool thing to do with peach bomber is. if a jiggly misses a rest u can up throw a turnip and then once the turnip lands on him u can peach bomber. its not the most damaging thing u can do but it has style.

Also after u up throw the turnip u need to get on the other side of the jiggs b/c the turnip will send him away from the side it hits him on.

 

[Wake]

I like standing next to Jiggs and then pull turnips in hope of getting a stitch/bomb/sword, and if I don't I just Peach bomber It's funny.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

its basically when peach bomber causes to send the character being hit in the other direction(to peach) there are actually a few ways to guarantee it to happen such as hitting an opponent that has just been floored and has missed the tech.

your knowledge of peach bomber is too much

choknater, another example is you can only wallbomb with smash bombers, otherwise she doesn't quite make it

 

[VA]

Where's doh?

 

[DoH]

 

[VA]

ahh, good.

 

[choknater]

your knowledge of peach bomber is too much

choknater, another example is you can only wallbomb with smash bombers, otherwise she doesn't quite make it

ugh no wonder ROOOOOFL

 

[mers]

jab reset to peach bomber is the sex

 

[Wake]

hahaha yeah I do that to be funny sometimes.

 

[Mike G]

Down tilt > Peach bomber

dash A > Peach bomber. Peach Swag


dat ***

Spoiler

 

[thesage]

I practice maximizing Peach's movement.

 

[choknater]

ah man. dat pic.

 

[VA]

eurgh, peach bomber sucks.

How to make your peach look hot:

dtilt > FC nair

anything > FC nair

 

[ShroudedOne]

ah man. dat pic.

Same.

Also, I'm going to throw Peach bomber around in some friendlies, and see where it gets me. I actually remember, that I hit a Falco illusion with it once when I was trying to pull a turnip. I was very confused....

And how about dtilt > FC nair > Peach bomber?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think d-tilt > FC uair > FC nair > ??? is hotter. But I've only seen VaNz do that. And it was in a combo video.

edit:

There is not enough stun for any kind of Peach nair > peach bomber to work. D-tilt legitimately sets it up... but that's a massive waste of a d-tilt.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Oh. Okay, then.

I love dtilt > FC uairs at mid percents on Marth/Sheik.

Also: dtilt > FC uair > FC nair > dash attack > uair > reverse bair > nair? Maybe?

*off to training mode*

 

[Mike G]

guys.

This is for swag, not tournament play.

nair is definitely the best choice, but peach bomber is a work of art.

 

[King5280]

if we're talking swag over efficiency its toad counter all day
but what percents can you really start to chain grab each of the ffer's? and is it better to use the jc grab or her dash grab they come out on the same frame i think. I can chain grab them but i definitely could be better at it

 

[ShroudedOne]

Made a text file with everything using AR awhile back along with some other stuff I do when CGing.


-----------------------
Falco (15%-108%)
-----------------------

***U-Throw D-Smash***
Away: 0%-31% (Must Walk)
Behind: 0%-10%


*** No DI ***
End: (Pivot=109%-111%), (Non-Pivot=108%)

*** Up-Towards DI ***
End: (JC Grab=117%-118%), (Dash Grab=109%-111%)

(U-Tilt, Turnaround U-Tilt [Up&Towards DI] Ends @ 95%), (U-Smash KOs @ 118%-150% on FD)

--------------------
Fox (21%-96%)
--------------------

***U-Throw D-Smash***
Away: 0%-26% (Must Walk)
Behind: 0%-12% (11-12 is Picky)


*** No DI ***
End: (Pivot=104%-106%), (Non-Pivot=96%)

*** Up-Towards DI ***
End: (JC Grab=108%-109%), (Dash Grab=102%)

(U-Tilt, Turnaround U-Tilt [Up&Towards DI] Ends @ 97%), (U-Smash KOs @ 112%-145% on FD)

-------------------------------
Captain Falcon (1%-77%)
-------------------------------
(Use Standing Turn-around grab for behind DI from 0%-9%)

***U-Throw D-Smash***
Away: N/A
Behind: 0%-7%


*** No DI ***
End: (Pivot=78%-79%), (Non-Pivot=69%, Turn Around Grab=77%)

*** Up-Towards DI ***
End: (JC Grab=83%-84%), (Dash Grab=78%-79%)

In short, Magus420 is God, and we should all make offerings to him daily.

It's better to use her dash grab, because you get more range, and JC grabbing takes an extra frame (for the jump cancel), if I recall correctly.

I find that it's really hard to regrab spacies before the 30s...

 

[choknater]

peach bomber is mad good

but i love that heart peach bomber and heart utilt in brawl.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I think that her Brawl u-tilt is godly. Especially compared to her Melee one.

 

[Wake]

I think d-tilt > FC uair > FC nair > ??? is hotter. But I've only seen VaNz do that. And it was in a combo video.

edit:

There is not enough stun for any kind of Peach nair > peach bomber to work. D-tilt legitimately sets it up... but that's a massive waste of a d-tilt.

I started doing that after watching that combo video

 

[ShroudedOne]

What combo video?

 

[Wake]

This one

Actually, if I get a dtilt on Marth, I like to FC uair --> reverse bair ----> stuffs (hopefully nair )

 

[ShroudedOne]

..............................wat.

That was amazing. Why haven't I seen that before? And more importantly...

Where...is...the...full...version?

 

[Wake]

I asked Vanz before if there was going to be a full version... doesn't sound good right now.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I see...I'm in the process of watching other Peach combo vids right now...they are okay, I think...

 

[Wake]

guys.

This is for swag, not tournament play.

nair is definitely the best choice, but peach bomber is a work of art.

Ledge tech --> wall jump --> toad

 

[Mike G]

Ledge tech --> wall jump --> toad

I'm going to try that when I play my friend tomorrow LOL



More Peach Swag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_hrQ2Qtrvg

this also works with spot dodge and bombs lol

 

[Wake]

It's hilarious when it works.

Also, I'm gonna mess around with that thing you posted.

 

[Mike G]

It's hilarious when it works.

Also, I'm gonna mess around with that thing you posted.

you can catch the turnip after the djc too but it's really hard t execute. The peach player that discovered this, Ryokoyaksa even has trouble catching it consistently

 

[Wake]

you can catch the turnip after the djc too but it's really hard t execute. The peach player that discovered this, Ryokoyaksa even has trouble catching it consistently

I just wanted to try suicide bombing with a bomb omb like that

 

[KirbyKaze]

Instant DJ landing will one day replace dash canceling in all my Peach's movement, except when I want to run forward and cc down smash.