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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)
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Wake
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I can't even tell you how angry I am at you right now!!!!!
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It's baka's SWF anniversary today. Just a random tidbit of info. Happy anniversary, baka.
Anyone feel like watching a 36 minute Peach/Puff set? I'm trying to learn as much as I can about that particular matchup, and in-depth critique would be nice. I understand if no one wants to, I'm just putting it out there.
Anyone feel like watching a 36 minute Peach/Puff set? I'm trying to learn as much as I can about that particular matchup, and in-depth critique would be nice. I understand if no one wants to, I'm just putting it out there.
I've always dreamed of watching a 36 minute Peach/Puff set on a Friday night.
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Video is taking longer to upload than I'd like. But if you're even an ounce serious (you're a better person than I if you are) I'll post it, eventually. Gotta love external uploaders.
Video is taking longer to upload than I'd like. But if you're even an ounce serious (you're a better person than I if you are) I'll post it, eventually. Gotta love external uploaders.
thesage
Smash Hero
In theory Peach vs. Puff is a rather simple matchup, but in practice it's extremely frustrating to play.
baka4moé
Smash Champion
wait what lol i didnt know that howd u know that?
edit: wow nvm if u just meant october 1st then im dumb
also the puff mu is lame and requires so much thinking...
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Guest
u are hella dum dont lie about socal plz
N.A.G.A.C.E
Smash Champion
on the main page near the bottom it lists anniversary's of people who joined on that day.
Also when i fc i try to switch it up between d-smash,jab,and grab. i never seem to land the grab but now after reading some of this thread i am wondering if i am doing it to slow. Also i think i've seen armada d-tilt after a fc, i cant believe this works but its armada so he must be right. lastly how do people feel about trying to fc to another fc aerial.
ps. macd dont stop posting
The Irish Mafia
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idk why there's all this john! hate
he's a pretty cool guy imo, despite the fact that he thinks ally sheedy is less attractive than molly ringwald
she is PERFECT before the end, then she gets lame and not cute when she's all dressed up
anyway if y'all want to see me almost lose to a link you can do it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=incesgXqtto
My set with skler from mass madness. I played him in pools and lost, so i wanted to try falcon game 1. didn't quite play the matchup how i wanted so i went peach for game 2. Game 3 was close as baaaaaaalls but I managed to pull through at the end.
Nagace, you gotta be ballsy to commit to fc aerial to fc aerial. If I want to do another aerial i usually do sh fadeaway nair. Dtilt is more of a mixup than it is a "this is a good idea because of the frames" idea, like fc fair to grab, at least to my knowledge. If you want to hit fair to grab, just focus on getting the grab out as soon as you land. it's escapable if the fair hits too high and if they buffer a roll out.
he's a pretty cool guy imo, despite the fact that he thinks ally sheedy is less attractive than molly ringwald
she is PERFECT before the end, then she gets lame and not cute when she's all dressed up
anyway if y'all want to see me almost lose to a link you can do it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=incesgXqtto
My set with skler from mass madness. I played him in pools and lost, so i wanted to try falcon game 1. didn't quite play the matchup how i wanted so i went peach for game 2. Game 3 was close as baaaaaaalls but I managed to pull through at the end.
Nagace, you gotta be ballsy to commit to fc aerial to fc aerial. If I want to do another aerial i usually do sh fadeaway nair. Dtilt is more of a mixup than it is a "this is a good idea because of the frames" idea, like fc fair to grab, at least to my knowledge. If you want to hit fair to grab, just focus on getting the grab out as soon as you land. it's escapable if the fair hits too high and if they buffer a roll out.
thesage
Smash Hero
Oh yea, I am hetero-phobic. Have you seen how heterosexuals dress? Their hygiene habits? Where exactly they put they penises into? How gross!
>_>;
I can't play Ness anymore in melee now that I'm a Peach main. They are simply too similar and it confuses me. I tried playing Peach in brawl and I couldn't kill anything.
Hey guys, do you have any tips for edgeguarding spacies? One of my friends recently figured out he should mix up between recovering low and high and it really confuses me.
A lot of my friends are starting up Peach hate. They always john and stuff, even when they are playing better characters >_>; The only one that can say anything is the IC player haha. That matchup is really dumb (though it's supposed to be even at high levels of play, I haven't experienced that myself...)
>_>;
I can't play Ness anymore in melee now that I'm a Peach main. They are simply too similar and it confuses me. I tried playing Peach in brawl and I couldn't kill anything.
Hey guys, do you have any tips for edgeguarding spacies? One of my friends recently figured out he should mix up between recovering low and high and it really confuses me.
A lot of my friends are starting up Peach hate. They always john and stuff, even when they are playing better characters >_>; The only one that can say anything is the IC player haha. That matchup is really dumb (though it's supposed to be even at high levels of play, I haven't experienced that myself...)
choknater
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macd's too good
The Irish Mafia
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One thing I started doing vs spacies that up b high is I'll groundfloat fair by the ledge, since the hitbox comes out high it doesn't trade if they recover down to the ledge like bair does. also, since I'm groundfloating, I can do the fair anyway and if they end up going high i can fullhop nair where they fall. If they recover to the top platforms, tough beans. I just try to use my positioning advantage from there.
thesage
Smash Hero
This is my main problem. Could you elaborate?
The Irish Mafia
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Well, if you're in the center of the stage and they're on the top platform, you have the obvious positioning advantage. This means their only real way to regain advantage is to drop down and fight you, which you can beat if you're prepared for it. You can sometimes agress the top platform (I reccomend autocancel umbrella) but it really only works if you're catching them off guard. The best idea is to bait them into making an agressive move towards the center, which you should punish, seeing as it's your space.
Cort exemplifies this idea. Every move doesn't put his opponent in a terrible situation, but every move puts them in a worse situation, until eventually he can predict their next defensive move and punish it, usually just by putting them in a ledgeguard situation (which is really the worst situation possible).
What this means in your situation is basically just patient play. You really have no reason to chase them, so just watch for how they try to approach and punish. if they drop down on you with dair, you can predict it and usmash, or react to it and trade nair. They can't get their footing in the center of the stage unless you let them, so keep them off their footing, and when you see your chance make an agressive commitment, like dash attack/aerial to dsmash/grab.
Cort exemplifies this idea. Every move doesn't put his opponent in a terrible situation, but every move puts them in a worse situation, until eventually he can predict their next defensive move and punish it, usually just by putting them in a ledgeguard situation (which is really the worst situation possible).
What this means in your situation is basically just patient play. You really have no reason to chase them, so just watch for how they try to approach and punish. if they drop down on you with dair, you can predict it and usmash, or react to it and trade nair. They can't get their footing in the center of the stage unless you let them, so keep them off their footing, and when you see your chance make an agressive commitment, like dash attack/aerial to dsmash/grab.
The Irish Mafia
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accidental double post :C
The Irish Mafia
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yeah that was a super disorganized jumble, i'll edit right quick :3
MacD
Banned via Administration
last friday night
Yeah we played some peach vs puff
And he used too many bairs
had a stitch but I forgot
awwwww gee thanks andre
macdre getting hyphy with the DADS is too too good though
dude, if we were mods, totally woulda given him a warning for having a ****ty post
why won't people let us be in charge?
baka4moé
Smash Champion
Cia
das kwl
Went to a melee tournament today.. I need to do that more. they get more and more difficult everytime 
/prollyshouldhavepostedthisontwitterorsomething
/prollyshouldhavepostedthisontwitterorsomething
Wake
Smash Master
Vanz vs Kels!
N.A.G.A.C.E
Smash Champion
Hey i have very good hygiene, and i enjoy what my penis goes into.
(i do not dress very well i will give u that one)Yo so the other day i pulled of my fav combo ever. I was playing my friends ganon, he was at a high %. I had a turnip and a threw it up into the air. He dodged it but then i got a grab on him. I meant to f-throw him then edge guard for the kill but my controller decided that d-throw was a better option i guess (and my controller was correct in the end). At this point i was thinking "**** i wont even be able to hit him with a aerial". even thinking this i jumped after him hoping i could somehow get a nair off. after i jumped after him it was clear he was going to far away from me, until the turnip came down hit him and poped him back into me were then i hot the nair for the kill. this was a long explanation but i think it was worth it for how much i loved how that worked out
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I dress pretty well, I would say. And I have very good hygeine. Nothing to say on the other one. =P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgC7yAtb4Xk
36 minutes of Peach/Puff. Watch if you dare. I'm not really comfortable in the first match, but after that, I settle in. We were doing some serious matches, cause I wanted to learn Peach/Puff, and he was nice enough to oblige. He's definitely better than I am, but I think I held on pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgC7yAtb4Xk
36 minutes of Peach/Puff. Watch if you dare. I'm not really comfortable in the first match, but after that, I settle in. We were doing some serious matches, cause I wanted to learn Peach/Puff, and he was nice enough to oblige. He's definitely better than I am, but I think I held on pretty well.
Dart!
Smash Master
Wow you guys, check out this hella good peach he's so damn good.
shoutouts to abu for showing me this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPKnosIt9dM&feature=feedu
shoutouts to abu for showing me this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPKnosIt9dM&feature=feedu
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Peach Jigglypuff is my favorite matchup
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It's hard to tell if you're being serious, but OK. =)
It would be a favorite of mine, but I need to play more of it first.
EDIT: Also, I just realized that that Peach (Kalamazhu) is representing a little known city in Michigan, called Kalamazoo. Don't ask me how I know that, though.
It would be a favorite of mine, but I need to play more of it first.
EDIT: Also, I just realized that that Peach (Kalamazhu) is representing a little known city in Michigan, called Kalamazoo. Don't ask me how I know that, though.
Get Low
Smash Ace
I have a question. When I'm playing against a Fox with Peach and I'm getting waveshined across the stage, what is the best thing to do? I instinctively mash down on the C-stick over and over hoping that they mess up so they'll eat a dsmash, but is there any better options besides that?
john!
Smash Hero
i THINK all you can do is hold L/R to shield and try to SDI every shine away from fox. if you shield a shine then you can grab/nair or something.
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I was told something once that has helped me out with that. Each time you get hit by the shine (like as you get hit) flick the control stick away or in, to SDI the shines. I usually SDI the shines in (though you should mix this up), and then they overshoot, giving me a free downsmash. Mashing c-stick alone won't help, you have to SDI the shines.
Get Low
Smash Ace
Thank you guys so much for this advice. I'll definitely try this out.
Cia
das kwl
Eggm told me that Cort just quickly rotates both the control stick and C-stick so that he gets a random DI out of the waveshine haha.
Composeur
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Interesting. Does he mean fully rotating both or wiggling bock left and right? Has anyone tested this to see if it has any viability? Veril? :DEggm told me that Cort just quickly rotates both the control stick and C-stick so that he gets a random DI out of the waveshine haha.
edit: loooool I'm hella dumb
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
nice man heres another vid of him idk if uve seen it tho its pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtjNMtb__wc
kalamazhu
Smash Journeyman
haha wtf why are u soooo salty?? its a game relax
john!
Smash Hero
dart how the **** do you lose to every peach but me
like, i beat duck but lose to you
then this peach loses to duck and beats you
it doesn't make sense
you crazy son
like, i beat duck but lose to you
then this peach loses to duck and beats you
it doesn't make sense
you crazy son
Wake
Smash Master
I was just gonna post that video Abu... I don't know what Dart's deal is hahaha but good stuff Kzhu!
Get Low
Smash Ace
Lolol, good ****, Kalamazhu.