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USA vs The World at Apex

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Bl@ckChris

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lol at m2k-less crews.

still think our crew should have a ganon. if theres any matchup europeans don't know, it's ganon. he's like unplayable in PAL lol. so shove guini, rockcrock, or m2k's ganon in there.
 
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I feel like Kage will know the Ganon matchup pretty well, though. Plus, I'd think at least one of the European players would have a US copy of the game to use as preparation for Apex.
 
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I wonder what PP's strategy will be for whom to play first and whom to "save". I would lead with M2K, because he will take at least 3-4 stocks, but there's always the outside chance that he's still one of the best crew players in the country and beast the world out of 8 or 10. M2K needs to play not because his characters are a good match against the other team. M2K needs to play because he's M2K. Come on, bro, GIVE US a reason to cheer for you.
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There isn't really much strategy to this.

Lead with some matchup Europe doesn't know (Hax or Wobbles) thats pretty much a guaranteed head start.
Follow closely with 2 or 3 or the mega hitters (some combination of m2k/PP or something)

By that point you'll be up SO FAR.
Throw in Axe to clean up any fox's they have left
Throw in whoever else you have left just to use stocks.

Save 1 of either Mango or Hbox until they are forced to play armada. Hell, if you were really smart, put in mango first and to force Armada's Peach. Either mango wins or takes 2-3 stocks. Throw in Hbox to clean up.

I don't see any possible way The World can fight this strategy.
 
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JPOBS, your strategy assumes The World isn't even doing anything. They can throw in a matchup we don't know either. Putting in a Falcon or an IC isn't an auto-win.

Then you can't put in a mega hitter, because after he wipes up Europe's first guy they can just CP your mega-hitter.
 
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1. Mang0
2. Dr. PeePee
3. HungryBox
4. Mew2King

Pick the other 4 from this list:

Wobbles
Axe
Shroomed
Hax
Jman
Lovage
Smoke 2 Jointz

I think basically any combination of this will be an extremely strong team.
 
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What is the tentative composition of the world team? I don't even know who all is going, and is Canada taking part in this?
 
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Blistering Speed said:
Ganon is, if anything, more competitively viable in PAL. You can't just look at the character in a vacuum, consider the rest of the cast's changes and their respective effects.
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Yes, he was unnecessarily nerfed in PAL, but many top tiers were nerfed even more, so if he's playable in NTSC, he is also in PAL.
 
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Pi said:
plup/axe/shroomed/IC players need to be weighted stronger for crew choices due to their unique characters
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putting him on doesn't make much sense given the players available

edit: even grouping him with the other people in your post is stretching it given their accomplishments. he's obv quite skilled, but the resumés of the other players are much stronger
 
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I also have a feeling this will end up being a lot closer than people are making it out to believe
 
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Varist said:
JPOBS, your strategy assumes The World isn't even doing anything. They can throw in a matchup we don't know either. Putting in a Falcon or an IC isn't an auto-win.

Then you can't put in a mega hitter, because after he wipes up Europe's first guy they can just CP your mega-hitter.
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What matchup is the world going to throw at hax or wobbles that thos eplayers would know? AFAIK the world doesn't have a top level jank low tiers so i wouldnt be concerned.

Good luck counterpicking a PP level player.
 
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Bl@ckChris said:
lol at m2k-less crews.

still think our crew should have a ganon. if theres any matchup europeans don't know, it's ganon. he's like unplayable in PAL lol. so shove guini, rockcrock, or m2k's ganon in there.
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lol ganon is probably better in PAL overall
 
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JPOBS said:
What matchup is the world going to throw at hax or wobbles that thos eplayers would know? AFAIK the world doesn't have a top level jank low tiers so i wouldnt be concerned.

Good luck counterpicking a PP level player.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYfK-utE6k

Not that I think pamaro is as good as hax, but you asked for low tiers. ^x^

(then there's also leffen's yoshi I suppose)
 
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The title of USA vs The World is so typical of the US mentality xD

Years worth of premium says Armada eliminates half the US crew.
 
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Sheik is mega nerfed
Fox is severely nerfed
Marth is nerfed
Falco is slightly nerfed


No, Ganon is not worse in PAL.

Honestly, on one side we have getting CG'd/combod to death out of a single grab, dying from upsmash at stupid percents, having a harder time edge guarding and having a harder time recovering.

On the other side we have a weaker fair.

I mean come ON.
 
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JPOBS said:
What matchup is the world going to throw at hax or wobbles that thos eplayers would know? AFAIK the world doesn't have a top level jank low tiers so i wouldnt be concerned.

Good luck counterpicking a PP level player.
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won't be that hard

PP's never really been the best in high pressure crews
 
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Beat! said:
Sheik is mega nerfed
Fox is severely nerfed
Marth is nerfed
Falco is slightly nerfed


No, Ganon is not worse in PAL.

Honestly, on one side we have getting CG'd/combod to death out of a single grab, dying from upsmash at stupid percents, having a harder time edge guarding and having a harder time recovering.

On the other side we have a weaker fair.

I mean come ON.
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It seems like you're exaggerating to me. Sheik's nerf is certainly important, but the much weaker Ganon fair is probably not worth the weaker Fox Usmash in that match-up, and almost certainly not the Marth/Falco Dair nerf when they should have no trouble edgeguarding Ganon's ****ty recovery anyways. A better Sheik match-up in exchange for being worse against everyone else, eh.
 
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The upsmash isn't the only Fox nerf. D-smash is weaker as well, up-b doesn't travel as far and Fire Flower's hitbox is smaller.

Marth not having a spike anymore means it's much harder to finish the combo with a kill. It also makes recovering easier, although admittedly that kinda goes both ways.

Falco's nerf may not be huge, but it compensates.

Idk, if you guys really prefer Ganon in NTSC even when aware of the other changes then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Fox Up B is faster, has a bigger hitbox (while charging too), is stronger and travels further. His fsmash, Usmash and Dsmash are all weaker and he is lighter in pal.

Marth actually has real troubles edgeguarding cfalcon and ganondorf in pal if they go low and try to tech in PAL and he cannot kill from combos (oh and hes lighter in pal)

Sheiks throw is nerfed as hell, her usmash is much weaker and her uair is much less useful.

Falco is worse at comboing and cannot reliably spike ganondorf when he down b's (since if ganondorf delays it he'll get the weak hit and survive).

but its ok ganondorfs fair is a little weaker and his dair does ONE PERCENT less so hes TERRIBLE in Pal and noone knows **** about him.
 
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...why is qlex the only european ganon i know then? he sounds godlike, yet it feels like americans have a monopoly on ganon.

oh and swizzyUK...he seems pretty good too.
 
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PP, Mango & Hbox cud prob 3 stock several WOrld Crew players

& we all kno M2K is the BEST in crews
 
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alt: Shroomed, Lovage/Jman, Zhu, and Taj

imo. Having both s2j and Hax would be a benefit because I'd wager that they'd do pretty well against Armada and Amsah on their own; you wouldn't have to waste a Mango or PP tbh.

ICs are incredible in crews, especially with the international crews' Sheiks, so I think Wobbles is a no-brainer.

Axe will **** up any spacie guaranteed.

I'd like to add some of the alternates in the main rotation but I don't see their roles. Taj is my favorite player, but Mewtwo has some horrendous matchups, and Marth seems risky with 2 Sheiks on deck (KK and Amsah)...there are no Falcos in the opposing crew either so he'd be hard to counterpick them with. Shroomed and Jman/Lovage are nice, but with no Puff on the opposing team the value of their characters go down. Fox isn't that good in crews imo; getting gimped a couple of times can completely swing the momentum against your team...besides, Mango will probably go Fox so its not even necessary to have another. Zhu would work, but I think the international crew is amazing against Falco in general (see: Amsah) so its really risky, and we have PP anyway.
 
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leffen said:
Fox Up B is faster, has a bigger hitbox (while charging too), is stronger and travels further. His fsmash, Usmash and Dsmash are all weaker and he is lighter in pal.

Marth actually has real troubles edgeguarding cfalcon and ganondorf in pal if they go low and try to tech in PAL and he cannot kill from combos (oh and hes lighter in pal)

Sheiks throw is nerfed as hell, her usmash is much weaker and her uair is much less useful.

Falco is worse at comboing and cannot reliably spike ganondorf when he down b's (since if ganondorf delays it he'll get the weak hit and survive).

but its ok ganondorfs fair is a little weaker and his dair does ONE PERCENT less so hes TERRIBLE in Pal and noone knows **** about him.
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I'd like to try at some point, perhaps I would be able to own everybody even easier?
 
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