USA vs The World at Apex

[leffen]

Yes didnt you hear, I say armada is 3x as good as mango AT LEAST in every thread d00d.

really, I was just talking about crews and how stupid they are at apex, I obviously intended to skew the numbers/facts >_<

 

[t3h Icy]

LOL now I understand why you go to tournaments in the U.S.! If you lose it doesn't matter, but if you win it means you're 3x as good as they are. There's literally no way for you to do poorly at any NTSC tournament, it's genius.

This sounds familiar.

 

[crush]

how will the world celebrate if they win? maybe they could teach us to play the flute?

 

[Battlecow]

Lol preemptive johns

it's not like the world crew is missing more than one or two people from its roster >:-(

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Leffen, im curious...

what do you think the ideal "World Crew" would consist of?
lets say you could have anyone you wanted on the crew...
who would be on it???

 

[Deleted member]

^thats just s2j being humble. he's a seriously humble dude.

im definitely more truthful than humble. As to whos better I honestly don't care but I'd still give the edge to hax. Despite almost always having a weird loss in Winners he always gets like top 5/7 in nationals

I placed 1 spot higher than him at genesis 2, that's the only thing I got on him and to me that's completely meaningless. Switch our brackets at g2 and he'd be the one with 1 spot higher

Both playing at our peak, it's close but I think he is wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than me vs marth. He's probably better than me vs peach. We both pwn fox/shieks, we both hate falcos. He beat me in round 2 pools at g2 so he probably beats me overall in falcon dittos too

and i have multiple lucky wins like vs leffen/tink. if lost vs one of those 2 i'd probably be shot down by the smash community and instantly forgotten/ suddenly ur a lot worse. PP after genesis 2 couldn't avoid it either for a bit

i don't care about being 'best' falcon though tbh. i'd rather one of us **** a top tier player since i'm getting tired of hbox, pp, armada consistently being top 3/4. i think we can both beat hbox/armada, PP probably not unless he gets sick again

hax is more efficient/ slightly faster/ better reflexes/better turbo button, i'm more ****ing up, doing weird moves in weird spots and making it work somehow

and i suck at edgeguarding although i've been getting better

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with regards to the crew battle, no question that hax should be used over me (or both of us if u want) because he is better at ****** someone right away, i need like a match to figure some dude out before i **** them

I have also literally NEVER been in a crew battle. Hax has never not ***** so that's all im gunna say

 

[PK Webb]

^^^real talk.....the facts of life

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

lol johnny

i'm just gonna stick with calling you humble, cus you always used to say stuff like "you're still better than me" after you beat me in tournament/money matches, or you say stuff like "i got lucky" after doing like 2 **** 0-death combos on me to win a set. >_>

for what its worth, i think you're the best falcon. Completely biased though.

 

[Divinokage]

Well it's really close in skill, no denying that. But apparently, the community really likes to label someone the best no matter what because I mean they are fanboys and etc.. I mean did you even see the people go ape **** to decide that either Mango or Armada is the best? Like omg.... >_>

 

[JPOBS]

He beat me in round 2 pools at g2 so he probably beats me overall in falcon dittos too

Wait wht!?!?!?

was it recorded?

 

[B_AWAL]

Ok....

When I think about it this isn't Brawl(Comin from a Brawler but I play Sonic so...)

SO why in the HELL aren't u guys doin 10 v 10???

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Ok....

When I think about it this isn't Brawl(Comin from a Brawler but I play Sonic so...)

SO why in the HELL aren't u guys doin 10 v 10???

im guessing time constraints...
plus the World crew has a limited roster...
increasing it would only make their chances worse to win

 

[B_AWAL]

im guessing time constraints...
plus the World crew has a limited roster...
increasing it would only make their chances worse to win

2 much logic... DAMN!!!

 

[spacing_out]

Ken
Chu
Isai
Husband
PC
Wes
Ka
Jem

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Ken
Chu
Isai
Husband
PC
Wes
Ka
Jem

last time i checked we were trying to win this

 

[spacing_out]

last time i checked we were trying to win this

nah don't worry about it, they're legit. they got videos on youtube

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

nah don't worry about it, they're legit. they got videos on youtube

My response :

2 much logic... DAMN!!!

 

[Alex Strife]

Time for the PSA from me.


Leffen - If you do not like crews you do not have to participate/watch/or even attend the event. The main reason I set this up was just for show/fun and it would be great for the downtime we will have during the end of round 1 pools and starting to make round 2 pools. That is why we called it an exhibition. I understand how you feel...I really do...but take some pride in doing this...it just sounds like you are nothing more than a giant wuss.

That is what I want to make clear. This match is for everyone on stream and for people in person. Try to treat it as such. Regional crews will never happen cause people will just be lazy. I have made it clear that I am going above and BEYOND for this event and I am starting to feel like many of you will not understand/care. In the end this is the one chance you guys have at being invovled in something great.

 

[leffen]

Everyone knows how hard you work, but don't expect us to be grateful for the part that you make terrible for europeans to give more views and to give time for other events. All the same, 4 man pools are a terrible way of doing pools and HAVING NO ****ING POOLS FOR TEAMS IS ******** but you need to do it so you can run the other events (pokemon, allbrawl........sigh).
Don't expect melee only players to like that either, maybe its "necessary evil", but reasoning all the bad stuff with "You have a chance of being part of something great" "I go beyond for this event" etc doesn't really change ****ty situations for the players.

and @ me being a giant wuss and on your constant complaints that the world/Europeans are excited for crews: You should know this by now, but I'll explain anyway. Europeans don't have anywhere near as much "nationality" and "pride" for their country, and the fact that you just humble us together with everyone left over doesn't really help in that.
It's really hard to not feel as if you're just bringing us in as slaves for america's entertainment when you give such ****ty terms (no regional crews etc). You can reason it with "I need it to be short so my stream will entertain the others!" and "Everyone is lazy so it won't happen" but in reality, its just excuses and it certainly doesn't help our already low excitement for crews.

I know this post won't change **** since people will either not understand how it is to be the minority at a event (since no americans ever travel to europe because of laziness/bias/johns) or they'll just call me out "OMGUDONTHAVETOATTENDEVENTOMG" but I think it should be said anyway.
Though the fact that you clearly prioritize the stream and spectators over the attendants (all that talk about it being a BROADCAST and therefor needing to be x and x even though its worse for the actual attenders makes it kind of obvious) will probably not change either.

 

[Alex Strife]

Everyone knows how hard you work, but don't expect us to be grateful for the part that you make terrible for europeans to give more views and to give time for other events. All the same, 4 man pools are a terrible way of doing pools and HAVING NO ****ING POOLS FOR TEAMS IS ******** but you need to do it so you can run the other events (pokemon, allbrawl........sigh).
Don't expect melee only players to like that either, maybe its "necessary evil", but reasoning all the bad stuff with "You have a chance of being part of something great" "I go beyond for this event" etc doesn't really change ****ty situations for the players.

Pools for teams ? I find this interesting. The reason we decided against it is because it would be ******** for us to have pools for an event under 128 people/teams. This goes for ANY game. Stop thinking because you are Melee that you get special treatment. Everyone is being treated fairly. This is not a smash event this has grown beyond it. It is not my fault that I am making decisions that make logical sense time wise.

The other games we added were so that OTHERS can have a great experience. Those players fail to see the reason why we work hard and this goes to show your ignorance to what is really the point of making the decisions we made.

You can reason it with "I need it to be short so my stream will entertain the others!" and "Everyone is lazy so it won't happen" but in reality, its just excuses and it certainly doesn't help our already low excitement for crews.

The last real crew battle event was FC where there was no stream / one game and people cared to try and make the teams. You know who has been working hard to make sure things get done? Me...not you not anyone else. I have been putting this together to make sure it gets done. I am so sure that if I did not put this together it would have a very slim chance of getting done.

know this post won't change **** since people will either not understand how it is to be the minority at a event (since no americans ever travel to europe because of laziness/bias/johns) or they'll just call me out "OMGUDONTHAVETOATTENDEVENTOMG" but I think it should be said anyway.
Though the fact that you clearly prioritize the stream over the tournament attendants (all that talk about it being a BROADCAST and therefor needing to be x and x even though its worse for the actual attenders makes it kind of obvious) will probably not change eithe

Again if you hate how US does not attend tournaments...do not come to US. The fact is that we make it so that the stream is great so that we can get SPONSORS...you realize we have more sponsors than any smash event outside of MLG and we are getting more? Why do you think they give us money/equipment/etc ? It is because of the stream...not to mention we have spend months making sure that stream is the best it can be so we can be taken more seriously. I can go in DETAIL why this stream is important and why streaming in general is our future...but I guess u just want things your way.

So we go back to this...dont like it? Do not go. I'll be glad to not have crews and get it done quickly and not care...but you know what? I care enough to pay for people to come / pay for their entry / pay THOUSANDS for a venue and an event that will make smash go into a new era...you can stay in your basement and play smash in tournaments that no one will know about til 4 years later while I go into the future and get us some money and make nintendo sponsor us...cause ya...thats what this is about...the future.

 

[bolt.]

I think that if Armada wins this and europe does very well you guys should just stay in europe and make us come to you. Top level players would be forced to go to europe and try to take the crown back if they wanted it.

 

[leffen]

@Bolt: Armada was supposed to go to a tournament in Missisippy, but didn't want to come because of that reason (that no americans travel, the long travel) and he was flamed by EVERY american, including Dr PP. The fact that noone comes to europe even though you have won zero tournaments over here too just proves that it won't do **** that you aren't the "best".
Even if Armada does win you'll probably just hear the same johns again (PP was so sick, Mango is actually better hehehehe).
WE ALREADY HAVE THE "CROWN". Noone travels anyway. ****s.

The game has been out for 10 years and none of the top players from USA have traveled to Europe. To expect that this would just change because Armada wins is hilarious.

@Strife: Uh, did you read what I wrote? You more or less said exactly what I already predicted you would say and explained in my post. I'll repeat myself.

You do a lots of rationalizations for not giving smash/melee players what has been standard for years. I don't necessarily disagree with valuing Melee as the same as a small 30 man MK9 tournament whose good players only come for the guaranteed pot or you not having teams pools but that's not the point (which you seem to think).

I know the decisions have reason- I know you're not actively trying to screw over melee players, and I know that it is for "OTHERS". I'm not ignorant to why you do these decisions- time constraints, making the event/scene bigger and making the people happy for the event OVERALL, these are all very logical and understandable decisions.

But here's the killer; DONT EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THE **** YOU SCREW OVER IN THE PROCESS (Crews, Small/No pools).
You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time.

I'm very excited for the event overall, and you are probably doing your best for the overall experience- but again, you must understand when you make crews much worse for the players in favors for the spectators, that the players won't be as excited (esp if they're from europe).
I'm not trying to bash your event at all, just giving some pointers on the decisions.

 

[Alex Strife]

@Bolt: Armada was supposed to go to a tournament in Missisippy, but didn't want to come because of that reason (that no americans travel, the long travel) and he was flamed by EVERY american, including Dr PP. The fact that noone comes to europe even though you have won zero tournaments over here too just proves that it won't do **** that you aren't the "best".
Even if Armada does win you'll probably just hear the same johns again (PP was so sick, Mango is actually better hehehehe).
WE ALREADY HAVE THE "CROWN". Noone travels anyway. ****s.

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I talk to armada and he told me he made that up cause he wanted ppl to travel...MSU was a ****ty ran event and they didnt pay for him.

Again if you dont want to come to the US do not come. When you buy your ticket you forfiet your entire opinion.

I am sorry no one goes to europe but that is not my concern when I am running the biggest event in smash history.

If you say I am doing everything as you predicted then use your brain and realize that this is about our future. Things need to change and if you cannot see that then I guess its pointless to debate more.

 

[Divinokage]

Well.. maybe if I had cheaper flights I would of gone to EU but I for one do not want to spend 1k-1.5k $ just to go a smash tournament, it's not feasible for me at all. I don't know if it's only in Canada but it's HELLA expensive to go to EU which is why perhaps no one can go.

 

[leffen]

It's JUST as expensive, if not MORE expensive for us to travel Kage...
Add that to USA being security obsessive and stuff its even harder for us...


"
Again if you dont want to come to the US do not come. When you buy your ticket you forfiet your entire opinion."

Hilarious sentence... because I'm sure to attend apex I have no opinion on how Americans should travel (or how the event is ran, I REALLY don't get that sentence)???
And where did I say that I didn't want to go to the US, jesus, read my post god dammit.

 

[Divinokage]

Oh really? Then how much did your plane cost?

 

[spacing_out]

meanwhile, i can't even get to the rest of my country. feelsbad

 

[bolt.]

It really isn't that rediculous! If Armada wins this have him make a thread telling people that he won't come to the U.S. anymore. Nobody will be able to john if Armada wins this tournament. Its perfect right now too because there aren't any big tournaments scheduled after apex.

If I ever get super good at this game I'll go to europe. Maybe that makes you feel better?! =)

 

[Alex Strife]

So refund your ticket or give it to someone else. The reason I said that is becasue you sound like a hypocrit saying for ppl to come to Europe then ***** when they dont but you come to US anyway

 

[leffen]

It really isn't that rediculous! If Armada wins this have him make a thread telling people that he won't come to the U.S. anymore. Nobody will be able to john if Armada wins this tournament. Its perfect right now too because there aren't any big tournaments scheduled after apex.

If I ever get super good at this game I'll go to europe. Maybe that makes you feel better?! =)

You are simply wrong. And the fact that we have to win 2 straight tournaments for people to CONSIDER going to europe is ridiculous beyond belief.


@Kage: Genesis 2 tickets where above 1k- this is a little cheaper-with the whole trip EASILY exceeding 2k. This trip is a little cheaper, tickets costs about 900$.



"So refund your ticket or give it to someone else. The reason I said that is becasue you sound like a hypocrit saying for ppl to come to Europe then ***** when they dont but you come to US anyway"
What the fvck are you saying. How am I a hypocrite for going to America because noone goes to Europe? Im not saying that Americans should travel to Europe and that europeans should never travel- I'm saying BOTH should travel, and americans shouldn't be so selfish and never travel themselves while EXPECTING us to (and raging at us when we chose not to).

I go to america because I want to, and the fact that I more or less *have* to in order to prove myself to the lazy americans is the issue.

Either you simply don't read my posts, or you are just ignorant enough to not know what you're talking about. Since I assume that you aren't the latter, please read my god damn post if you're gonna answer instead of throwing out bull**** insults that don't make any sense what so ever.

 

[Divinokage]

2k? ****.... that's so much.. How do you get that kind of money for smash? lol.

 

[Alex Strife]

Ok so have fun leffen just dont go to apex i dont want or need you to come.

 

[ajp_anton]

Well.. maybe if I had cheaper flights I would of gone to EU but I for one do not want to spend 1k-1.5k $ just to go a smash tournament, it's not feasible for me at all. I don't know if it's only in Canada but it's HELLA expensive to go to EU which is why perhaps no one can go.

There's more to do than to play smash =).
My first two US tournaments sometimes feel like a waste of money, but Genesis 2, which was the most expensive of them all, was well worth it. 2 weeks of roadtripping in an RV with 9 other people.

 

[Marc]

People need to chill on both sides. This isn't even about crews anymore and it's hard to justify topics like this if that's the case.

Europe had a strong crew lineup at Pound 4 and didn't stand much of a chance. Armada is amazing and no worse than the American top players, but by virtue of the American scene being bigger they have more outlier players on that level and most of them will be attending while "the world" will always be missing some people. Leffen is right in that it's a tall order for a non-American crew to do well at an American event, but the fact that this is even becoming a debate is mostly a result of tension between regions and people labeling crew battles/exhibition matches such as these as definite proof of superiority. Just take it for what it is, a fun exhibition with people playing each other who don't otherwise.

Flights from Europe to the region where APEX is being held are about 500-600 euros (700-800 dollars), depending on where you leave from. It's more expensive than usual though, probably because it's closer to the holidays. I can think of several reasons for American players to never visit us, some more legit than others, but that's just how it is.

 

[Divinokage]

There's more to do than to play smash =).
My first two US tournaments sometimes feel like a waste of money, but Genesis 2, which was the most expensive of them all, was well worth it. 2 weeks of roadtripping in an RV with 9 other people.

Ahh that's why I would rather just chill with people and beat faces in than to visit random places. =P I guess that's why I find that it's not worth it.

 

[leffen]

Ok so have fun leffen just dont go to apex i dont want or need you to come.

LOL ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME.
talk about not reading my post and just throwing out an insult that makes ZERO sense LOL.

I have said numerous times now that this isn't me hating on the event, this is me trying to make you understand how some of your decisions screw over us as even if its for the greater good, and that you can't expect people to be excited for those parts (CREWS, NO TEAMS POOLS).
I'm very excited for the event (I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF SINCE YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND THE FIRST 3 TIMES).

I AM VERY EXCITED FOR THIS EVENT AND I WANT TO GO TO APEX


You literally said that if I have already confirmed myself then I have no opinion, you answer zero of my posts and just keep insulting me with mindless comments. Good job.

You'll probably just ban me now for posting again so you don't have to read my response again, amirite?

 

[_Rocky_]

XD


10char

 

[Alex Strife]

you also said you didnt want to go to USA.

Bottom line is I dont want you there

 

[leffen]

lol...

Where did I say that? I said that I don't want to have to travel to USA everytime, to never have them come to use once in awhile. I have no trouble with going to the US and I heavily enjoy the events and the trip, all I ask for the traveling part not to be completely onesided.

 

[Divinokage]

Give me money then I'll travel. =)