Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[Quillion]

Might as well post these again here:

• I dislike the overcomplicated mechanics and/or mishmashed animations of the Smash 4-on characters' movesets.
• The core mechanics of the Smash series are as stale as Pokémon and New Super Mario Bros. now.
• While I don't want them to be ground-up revamped, playing as the 64-Brawl characters contributes to the series's staleness since have largely the same movesets for years.

 

[PeridotGX]

Might as well post these again here:

• I dislike the overcomplicated mechanics and/or mishmashed animations of the Smash 4-on characters' movesets.
• The core mechanics of the Smash series are as stale as Pokémon and New Super Mario Bros. now.
• While I don't want them to be ground-up revamped, playing as the 64-Brawl characters contributes to the series's staleness since have largely the same movesets for years.

So, you dislike "complex" characters, but you also want the old ones to get changed? I'm... confused at this

 

[Quillion]

So, you dislike "complex" characters, but you also want the old ones to get changed? I'm... confused at this

Honestly if any character should be ground-up revamped, they need to be the Smash 4-on newcomers so that they more closely match the design (mechanics and animations both) of the 64/Melee newcomers.

I probably wouldn't mind seeing a few moves changed on the 64/Melee newcomers here and there as opposed to a ground-up revamp... as long as they still keep to the 64/Melee standard of moveset design.

 

[Perkilator]

Smash Ultimate’s pause menu should’ve been the norm for Smash since the beginning. I never liked having to do a button combination just to head back to the main menu.

 

[DrCoeloCephalo]

Melee is unbalanced and way overrated. Marth's grab range is longer than Yoshi's. Saying Smash hasn't topped its second installment is a big claim, because it says to me that the games have been buggier/more unbalanced than Melee.

The reason why people default to Melee isn't the "bugginess or unbalance". If players wanted that, Brawl would be a perfectly fine substitute for having its own set of bugs and being even MORE unbalanced.

It's really a combination of alot of things that people play Melee for that the newer Smash games don't have.
One being combo freedom. You don't really have much choice but to follow extremely specific combos in newer Smash games, hence phrases like "Throw to aerial" being memed on in games like 4.
Melee allows plenty of characters to combo into and off of Smash attacks, giving them far more utility. In Ultimate, Smash attacks are just extremely niche and situational kill options. You only ever see them used more often in high level by characters that have the restriction/previlege of a specific combo like Fox Nair to USmash, King K. Rool DThrow to Smash Attack, Donkey Kong Side Special to Smash Attack, etc. That's just one example of the kind of thing Melee has that newer Smash games don't.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So, you dislike "complex" characters, but you also want the old ones to get changed? I'm... confused at this

I think I kinda get his overall idea, the older veterans have mostly movesets that where thought appropriate at the time, but the newer ones have both extremely overly complex movesets and also draw a lot from their source material.

If we let the veterans draw more from their source material, without being overly complex and gimmicky, that would be my vote too for a new approach.

 

[Quillion]

I think I kinda get his overall idea, the older veterans have mostly movesets that where thought appropriate at the time, but the newer ones have both extremely overly complex movesets and also draw a lot from their source material.

If we let the veterans draw more from their source material, without being overly complex and gimmicky, that would be my vote too for a new approach.

Pretty much this. For example, I would give Peach a fiery aura on Up Smash, a whirlwind cosmetic on neutral air, and have her cry and throw a brief tantrum for down air while retaining her "flutter kick". These would reference the Vibes from Super Princess Peach while retaining her moveset's simplicity and avoiding turning the vibes into some kind of Monado Arts mechanic for her.

 

[Laniv]

KOF Stadium is aesthetically the best DLC stage in the game, with Hollow Bastion as a close second.

With the way Sonic's moveset currently is, it's actually a good thing Shadow isn't an Echo.

Nabbit is a massively slept-on character choice.

I wouldn't mind Ganondorf getting cut and replaced with Big Blue Pig Ganon.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I really dislike how SSBU's 64 stages upgraded the textures on the N64 stages. Give me my bitmap crust back!

 

[Baysha]

Everyone is here wasn't that impressive to me. It basically just kinda felt like: "There are no cuts. Also Snake, Ice Climbers, Pichu, and Young Link are back." It didn't feel like a big reunion, it felt like 4 guys were back.

 

[fogbadge]

Everyone is here wasn't that impressive to me. It basically just kinda felt like: "There are no cuts. Also Snake, Ice Climbers, Pichu, and Young Link are back." It didn't feel like a big reunion, it felt like 4 guys were back.

what about wolf?

 

[Baysha]

what about wolf?

It didn't feel like a big reunion, it felt like 4 7 guys were back. (Also counting Squirtle and Ivysaur)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And Pokemon Trainer himself, but moreso Squirtle and Ivysaur, since these two are the literal fighters.

Besides that, we had no idea if all the third parties would come back as well as some 1st parties, after seeing multiple cuts through Smash history. So it was still a surprise. Either way, we got 7 veterans back, not 4.

I mean, it was presented pretty clearly as a big reunion, but I get what you mean. We didn't have that many cuts by that point, so it was a small returning few. If we had a lot more cuts by then, it'd have a bigger impact.

 

[Perkilator]

Both versions of Sm4sh should’ve been called “Super Smash Bros. Duel”, since the 3DS and Wii U both use two (dual) screens.

They also should’ve released both games on the same date.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Both versions of Sm4sh should’ve been called “Super Smash Bros. Duel”, since the 3DS and Wii U both use two (dual) screens.

They also should’ve released both games on the same date.

AHHHH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. It even works with the "fight" synonym thing they had going with Melee and Brawl. I'm upset now that they didn't do this.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I feel Ridley was forced in in Ultimate l, sort of to "proof" Sakurai listens to his fans. Ridley is very awkward looking and proportioned in Ultimate, and some moves feel extremely and surprisingly generic. There's no shame in making him the largest character on the roster, and now he's smaller than freaking Donkey Kong, and it's really really weird.

 

[Perkilator]

K. Rool's down special should've been a Klaptrap (Belly Armor can stay, though) and the DK Assist Trophies should've been Cranky Kong, who tosses some barrels from above.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

The only good Smash trailer ever was the Smash 64 Happy Together ad, and I'm not even saying that ironically - it didn't oversell itself or its characters; it knew how stupid the game is; and relished in how innacurate it is to the source material.

 

[UserKev]

The only good Smash trailer ever was the Smash 64 Happy Together ad, and I'm not even saying that ironically - it didn't oversell itself or its characters; it knew how stupid the game is; and relished in how innacurate it is to the source material.

I love the simplicity of older Smashes. To me, Smash 64 will always have the best commercial and Melee's intro will never be matched. I guess the game's smaller roster back then helped. Now its nearly impossible.

 

[Lenidem]

I love the simplicity of older Smashes. To me, Smash 64 will always have the best commercial and Melee's intro will never be matched. I guess the game's smaller roster back then helped. Now its nearly impossible.

I agree about Melee's intro.

 

[Laniv]

Pac-Man should've had little hats for his alts like Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

 

[Perkilator]

Pac-Man should've had little hats for his alts like Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

I personally would’ve taken something like this

1. Default
2. Blinky (red with orange gloves and shoes)
3. Inky (cyan with green gloves and shoes)
4. Pinky (pink with pink gloves and shoes)
5. Clyde (orange with red gloves and shoes)
6. TURN-TO-BLUE A (blue/white)
7. TURN-TO-BLUE B (white/red)
8. Heihachi wig (black)

 

[Baysha]

Traditional fighting game inputs where you have to input a combination of buttons are easier than Smash's tilt/smash attack system. Dedicated light and strong buttons are way better.

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

Traditional fighting game inputs where you have to input a combination of buttons are more easy than Smash's tilt/smash attack system. Dedicated light and strong buttons are way better.

I agree to an extent. I feel like most motion inputs from traditional fighting games like the hadouken or shoryuken can be just as easy to master as the tilt/smash system but it depends on the controller.

Inputs in 2D fighting games, if they have these kinds of inputs, that are literally just “punch, punch, heavy kick…” or something so that they’re basically combos are more complicated though. Definitely agree that light and heavy attacks are better tho.

 

[UserKev]

A Smash with a heavy emphasis on villain representation would be terrible. Villains should stay the minority and barely noticeable.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Traditional fighting game inputs where you have to input a combination of buttons are easier than Smash's tilt/smash attack system. Dedicated light and strong buttons are way better.

Agreed. Multiple attack buttons is genuinely a great thing for the genre and it frustrates me that Smash hasn't adopted it yet when other platfighters like NASB and Rivals of Aether have. It doesn't even make the game harder, it just means different attacks are on different buttons and not all crammed onto the same one (aside from specials).

 

[Perkilator]

A Smash with a heavy emphasis on villain representation would be terrible. Villains should stay the minority and barely noticeable.

I mean…at the very least, more villains should be welcome. Dr. Eggman feels like the missing villain, especially after Sephiroth.

 

[Demon Dragon]

Smash should have held off on the ARMS and Xenoblade 2 content until Min Min and Pyra/Mythra's DLC, respectively, to get a better immersion of the games and to avoid sloppiness (especially in regards to the Spirits).

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Wario has the best moveset in Smash history hit send

 

[UserKev]

I mean…at the very least, more villains should be welcome. Dr. Eggman feels like the missing villain, especially after Sephiroth.

They don't need to be crammed in one roster. 2 or 3 villains per Smash is my ideal.

 

[Perkilator]

Smash should have held off on the ARMS and Xenoblade 2 content until Min Min and Pyra/Mythra's DLC, respectively, to get a better immersion of the games and to avoid sloppiness (especially in regards to the Spirits).

Agreed. I at least think Pyra/Mythra should’ve been in Vol. 1.

To give you guys a better idea, here’s my fantasy Fighters Passes:

Vol. 1:

1. Sakura Shinguji
2. Hero
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Pyra/Mythra
5. Terry
6. Banjo & Kazooie

Vol. 2

1. Min Min
2. Steve
3. Sephiroth
4. Kazuya
5. Dr. Eggman
6. Sora

 

[fogbadge]

there should be an option to turn off certain characters from ATs

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

there should be an option to turn off certain characters from ATs

I'll do you one better - there should be an option to disable characters from the character select screen in a ruleset. It'd be great for themed play; casual players who can't work around another player's spam; and for people who dislike certain characters.

 

[Demon Dragon]

I'll do you one better - there should be an option to disable characters from the character select screen in a ruleset. It'd be great for themed play; casual players who can't work around another player's spam; and for people who dislike certain characters.

Brawl and Smash 4 tourneys would've killed for this to not deal with Meta Knight and Bayo players, respectively.

 

[fogbadge]

I'll do you one better - there should be an option to disable characters from the character select screen in a ruleset. It'd be great for themed play; casual players who can't work around another player's spam; and for people who dislike certain characters.

that last one is me

 

[Lenidem]

There should be a way to organize the roster differently, by serie or by alphabetical order for example.

But I don't think that's an impopular opinion.

 

[Laniv]

Tails should be the second Sonic fighter over Eggman or Shadow, or any other Sonic character.

 

[Perkilator]

Celica should've gotten in as an Echo (of Robin) instead of Chrom.

 

[Glubbfubb]

They should of added Virtual Boy as the final fighter of the 1st fighter pass as a sort of joke reveal before reveling they are making a new fighters pass, its rights itself

 

[Lenidem]

Tails should be the second Sonic fighter over Eggman or Shadow, or any other Sonic character.

I am not a Sonic fan, and I think all of them (Tails, Eggman and Shadow) should be playable by now.