Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[fogbadge]

We don't need a Smash Bros. Movie. Do people really want this?

I know I don’t

 

[UserKev]

I know I don’t

It's an accident waiting to happen.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I think a Smash movie would feel like a giant insult if it was the only ever fully-animated iteration of some characters, and that would apply even if it did go for a more whimsical tone. I already feel this way pretty strongly about trailers and story mode cutscenes, but Duck Hunt's fully-animated theatrical debut should be way more than just another of 60-something bootleg Avengers.

In other words: Make a Duck Hunt movie.

 

[Perkilator]

We don't need a Smash Bros. Movie. Do people really want this?

I can agree with you in that, I can tell you that much.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I can't imagine one would be written well in general.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I don't want a Smash movie, but I wouldn't mind a general Nintendo crossover limited series. Basically, each episode would be about one first party series crossing over with another in their own unique story. You could probably keep it fairly conventional in the first season (Metroid with Star Fox, Zelda with Kid Icarus, Wario Land/Ware with DK, Kirby with Pikmin, Pokemon with Earthbound) and then get a little wackier in the season after.

 

[Lenidem]

We don't need a Smash Bros. Movie. Do people really want this?

I honestly don't get this kind of messages. We don't need a lot of stuff. Like, we didn't need a Mario Bros. movie. We don't even need, I don't know, video games. Yet when they do exist, if they are good, we are a little bit happier.

Do I want a Smash Bros. movie? No. Do I think a Smash Bros. movie would work? Probably not, at least, I don't see how. But it could. So I would like a good Smash Bros. movie, although it seems very unlikely, so I would never actively campaign for it.

 

[UserKev]

I honestly don't get this kind of messages. We don't need a lot of stuff. Like, we didn't need a Mario Bros. movie. We don't even need, I don't know, video games. Yet when they do exist, if they are good, we are a little bit happier.

Do I want a Smash Bros. movie? No. Do I think a Smash Bros. movie would work? Probably not, at least, I don't see how. But it could. So I would like a good Smash Bros. movie, although it seems very unlikely, so I would never actively campaign for it.

We do need video games. That's a moot take my friend. You could've made a point without mentioning that ridicule.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

There are two problems with a Smash movie as a concept, at least to me.

For one, the heart of the series has always been non-story oriented matches, not narratives. The latter is a nice bonus when tried, and it can add to the overall experience, but realistically it's not the thing that sells the game the mass audience. Subspace Emissary was the biggest attempt at making an actual coherent story out of all these disparate franchises, yet a lot of the criticism towards was based around how unsatisfying the gameplay was outside actual matches and boss fights. SSB is one of the greatest crossovers of all time, but a lot of that is rooted in a gameplay emphasis and allowing players to apply that crossover element (stages, characters, items) in the way that they want, which is something you can't really do in a non-interactive media like film or television.

The second is that even if somehow there was a coherent story to be had from it, a movie can't really do justice to the notable characters involved, especially given the sheer quantity of them now in the series. You'd have to greatly pare down the cast to the relevant players (which would upset those that had their favorites minimized) or you have a potential film that would be a bit overwhelming to an audience because it having to keep its focus on so many different figures.

Its why I'm more in favor if just a Nintendo crossover series that sticks to a specific mixing of two franchises per episode to allow the characters to breathe and really take advantage of the stranger in a strange land potential on both sides.

 

[AlRex]

Some characters could do well with just a series of shorts, some could do well with series, a few could do well with full movies, and shoving them all in one movie would require a deft hand, at the very least. It’s not impossible, but it’d probably have to be just a bit irreverent, like the LEGO movies, or at least have the joke kind of be that you’re somehow taking a “Solid Snake VS Isabelle VS Ridley VS Wario” movie seriously. You’d have to create something itself that leans into the disparate nature, rather than trying to make any sort of coherent cinematic universe out of it.

 

[TheZizz]

I guess this is an unpopular opinion these days, but donkey Kong 64 is ultra mid. It has a stout heart, but that will not save it .. the versus multiplayer is highly underrated however, the mechanics just fall into place somehow

 

[Perkilator]

I've said this before in the Next Smash thread but IMO, it bears repeating: I think Crash has the best chance out of all the Microsoft reps due to how much more popular he is in Japan compared to the competition.

 

[Laniv]

I guess this is an unpopular opinion these days, but donkey Kong 64 is ultra mid. It has a stout heart, but that will not save it .. the versus multiplayer is highly underrated however, the mechanics just fall into place somehow

...Is this really an unpopular opinion?? Most people I talk to about DK64 says it's kinda blah

 

[Lenidem]

We do need video games. That's a moot take my friend. You could've made a point without mentioning that ridicule.

No, we don't. If you think you do, that's sad.

 

[UserKev]

No, we don't. If you think you do, that's sad.

We actually need video games. It's scientifically proven. The amount of time you spend playing them is up to the individual. Me? I only play old school games when I do play them.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

i don't really like of people calling that Shadow deserve to be a echo fighter of Sonic, because that sounds like that Smash fans don't know Shadow's powers, Shadow have Chaos Control, have teleport, have Chaos Spear, have squid form, have Doom Wings, he is so different than Sonic, it makes sense anyone saying that Shadow deserve to have his own moveset than being a echo fighter, it's the same thing of anyone saying that Gooey have to be a Kirby's echo fighter than have an unique moveset

 

[Louie G.]

i don't really like of people calling that Shadow deserve to be a echo fighter of Sonic, because that sounds like that Smash fans don't know Shadow's powers, Shadow have Chaos Control, have teleport, have Chaos Spear, have squid form, have Doom Wings, he is so different than Sonic, it makes sense anyone saying that Shadow deserve to have his own moveset than being a echo fighter, it's the same thing of anyone saying that Gooey have to be a Kirby's echo fighter than have an unique moveset

No offense, but we all said the same thing about Dark Samus. Just because a character doesn't need to be a clone doesn't mean they can't or won't be.

Shadow can still be functionally similar to Sonic in nearly every way with a couple flourishes like animation adjustments (see: Dark Samus) and a new teleport move (see: Chrom). I think Shadow is best served as a Falco-esque semiclone, but a Shadow echo is not that ridiculous in a vacuum.

 

[Perkilator]

Shadow still has plenty of material to pull from Sonic Battle alone for a unique moveset. Yeah, they can re-use Sonic's skeleton to make development easier, but that shouldn't necessarily make him an Echo Fighter.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I don't get why people composite together the retro series in "giving each series a newcomer" projects. The only one I think has limited options is maybe ROB, but Game & Watch reaches a lot wider than people think (there are original, named characters in G&W games, and technically Stanley is a G&W character before a DK character at least in chronology); Duck Hunt in Smash's content comprises 3 games - arguably 4 - one of which (Wild Gunman) has an ensemble cast to choose from that already has a major role in Smash as is; and Ice Climber has 4 other characters to choose from, two of which (the JP and US Topis) would make a really obvious duo character.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

He has enough to work with and has had enough to work with since even before Shadow Generations.

That being said, he isn't safe from being an Echo on grounds that it is not only possible, but it has happened a number of times in-series, including his debut in Adventure 2.

It would be best if he was more like Luigi is to Mario at worst, but the option for a full Echo, as disappointing as it is, is unfortunately still there.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If Sonic was to get the amount of characters usually reserved for 1P characters, it would be the perfect series to take the Zelda cross-iteration approach to. "Meta-era" Sonic, Classic Tails, Adventure-era Knuckles, "Dark age" or Frontiers-era Shadow, and either AOSTH or Jim Carrey Robotnik feels like a really neat lineup for those who are so deep into Sonic lore they'd know the differences.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We actually need video games. It's scientifically proven. The amount of time you spend playing them is up to the individual. Me? I only play old school games when I do play them.

I'd like a source saying specifically video games are needed.

A source of entertainment? Sure. That's important for mental health. But it doesn't have to be video games.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I don't think being unpopular in Japan is a big deal for characters like Doomguy and Master Chief likelihood-wise, it might be a hurdle (being harder to know which games are liked vs. disliked during research for instance), and it's certainly DOA for characters without significant Smash support or any kind of legal Japanese release (see StarTropics' inexplicable absence), but like... Sonic's here. A bunch of West-centric series got Mii costumes. A lot of 1Ps as far back as 64 (which was developed under the expectation it'd be JP-only) are popular in the West first.

As I've said multiple times, Smash is an avaricious series, a lot of its modern identity is based around giving large fan groups what they want and making bombastic headlines - fan demand could probably overcome even rules that actually exist, let alone made-up fan rules, because that is the crux of the Sakurai mentality, sometimes for better (Like I think a Western FPS rep would be) but mostly for worst. The only limits seem to be anime/cartoon content, and the times when the fandom says "stop" instead of "start".

 

[Dinoman96]

I don't think being unpopular in Japan is a big deal for characters like Doomguy and Master Chief likelihood-wise, it might be a hurdle (being harder to know which games are liked vs. disliked during research for instance), and it's certainly DOA for characters without significant Smash support or any kind of legal Japanese release (see StarTropics' inexplicable absence), but like... Sonic's here. A bunch of West-centric series got Mii costumes. A lot of 1Ps as far back as 64 (which was developed under the expectation it'd be JP-only) are popular in the West first.

As I've said multiple times, Smash is an avaricious series, a lot of its modern identity is based around giving large fan groups what they want and making bombastic headlines - fan demand could probably overcome even rules that actually exist, let alone made-up fan rules, because that is the crux of the Sakurai mentality, sometimes for better (Like I think a Western FPS rep would be) but mostly for worst. The only limits seem to be anime/cartoon content, and the times when the fandom says "stop" instead of "start".

It's been said a lot of times by now but in hindsight I feel like a lot of these western characters like Crash, Doomguy and Master Chief probably would have had much better odds at getting in had they blown up in popularity/requests by the time of the Smash ballot, that's essentially what got us say, Banjo & Kazooie in Ultimate.

If anything that does provide an interesting point: where was Sakurai even getting requests for Smash characters prior to the Smash ballot? Like he was obviously aware of the fact that Sonic was the most requested (third party) character when Brawl was being made and was already aware of requests for Ridley (though obv. it was the ballot that finally made him cave in), Mega Man, Final Fantasy characters, and such, but it's a weird thought that someone like K. Rool was pretty much made only visible to him via the ballot when was just as requested vocally online as much as those other characters.

 

[TheZizz]

No, we don't. If you think you do, that's sad.

We don't need games like we don't need film. One can argue that dispelling gloom & ennui from the world is effectively an imperative.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

We don't need a Smash Bros. Movie. Do people really want this?

I think series crossing over could work as shorts on Youtube but a film adaptation of Smash wouldn't work in my opinion.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If Smash is to continue embracing large rosters, I want to see blatant, brazen clone filler embraced as well. That feels to me like the only thing you can do on a large roster you can't really do with a smaller roster and "always next time" mentality (at least in terms of individual characters and not just matchups) - 10 distinct Yoshi colour clones is a way more interesting hook to me than "OMG X vs. Y finally!" when it comes to large rosters.

Thinking more on this take, and I think I've come to an epiphany about Ult: I always called it "quantity over quality", but I don't think that's true. I think Ult is "too much quantity, too much quality". There is no point to a large quantity of content if it's not being used for strange and even stupid ideas, made using leftovers or simple assets - the lack of quality control is not a consequence or tradeoff to large quantities, it is THE SOLE hook, the start and end. That's the mentality that - tradeoff or otherwise - got us Falcondorf; Dr. Mario; Pichu; and Poke Floats, more of those is what Smash needs. You can put a fully-fledged Sora in any Smash game, you can only put Dr. Orange Yoshi in a large roster.

 

[NotWilliam]

We don't need a Smash Bros. Movie. Do people really want this?

I don't even think it's really possible at this point, seeing how the LoZ movie is live action

 

[Dinoman96]

I don't even think it's really possible at this point, seeing how the LoZ movie is live action

Maybe it could be a Roger Rabbit kinda deal? Hahahaha....

But yes, the film rights for Mario, Sonic, Zelda, Pokemon, etc are all over the place these days so that alone massively complicates trying to do a Smash movie.

 

[NotWilliam]

Maybe it could be a Roger Rabbit kinda deal? Hahahaha....

That thought alone gives me nightmares

 

[Otoad64]

Maybe it could be a Roger Rabbit kinda deal? Hahahaha....

But yes, the film rights for Mario, Sonic, Zelda, Pokemon, etc are all over the place these days so that alone massively complicates trying to do a Smash movie.

I think it'd be kinda funny if they did a Smash movie but without any of those properties. Like one of the TV versions of the Justice League where they couldn't get the rights for Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman.

 

[Perkilator]

I admittedly have mixed feelings on the idea of updating the victory themes that haven’t been updated since Brawl.

On one hand; yes, these themes are very much a product of their time, and they could use a refresh. But on the other hand, that’s how you get cases like the Zelda series victory theme and the Ness / Lucas victory theme, which…honestly just sound haphazard and forced to me.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I think it'd be kinda funny if they did a Smash movie but without any of those properties. Like one of the TV versions of the Justice League where they couldn't get the rights for Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman.

let's give a chance to those lesser-known 1st Party Nintendo franchises a spotlight.

 

[MartianSnake]

Maybe it could be a Roger Rabbit kinda deal? Hahahaha....

But yes, the film rights for Mario, Sonic, Zelda, Pokemon, etc are all over the place these days so that alone massively complicates trying to do a Smash movie.

You say "these days" as if there was a past point in time where all the film rights belonged to a single studio

 

[A_Kae]

I admittedly have mixed feelings on the idea of updating the victory themes that haven’t been updated since Brawl.

On one hand; yes, these themes are very much a product of their time, and they could use a refresh. But on the other hand, that’s how you get cases like the Zelda series victory theme and the Ness / Lucas victory theme, which…honestly just sound haphazard and forced to me.

I'd like all new victory tracks just so it's not a mismatch between the new stuff and the sped up or cut down brawl tracks. There's a noticeable style difference with the new ones, and the old ones that have been edited just sound off.

also more char-specific victory themes too pls

 

[LimeTH]

If nothing else, I wouldn't mind a Mario vs Sonic movie.

Smash Bros? Nah, that'd be too much.

 

[MartianSnake]

If nothing else, I wouldn't mind a Mario vs Sonic movie.

Smash Bros? Nah, that'd be too much.

How would a Mario vs Sonic movie even work? Yeah they're Rivals in a meta sense but there's really nothing in their characters that would compell them to be opposed in any interesting manner

 

[LimeTH]

How would a Mario vs Sonic movie even work? Yeah they're Rivals in a meta sense but there's really nothing in their characters that would compell them to be opposed in any interesting manner

I'm not gonna come up with a whole screenplay right here and now, but I mean, I could at least see them distrusting each other, or at least Mario getting fooled into cooperating with a fellow mustachio against this blue menace terrorizing the citizenry.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

The Mario and Sonic movie should not be a battle movie, it should just be a Goofy Movie rip-off. Angsty punk-rock teen and wacky country-music adult, the blueprint is obvious.

 

[Cyborg Sun]

How would a Mario vs Sonic movie even work? Yeah they're Rivals in a meta sense but there's really nothing in their characters that would compell them to be opposed in any interesting manner

simple, have jesse eisenburg play mephiles and rip off the plot of sonic 06 except instead of silver it's sonic who's being tricked into thinking chris pratt mario is a world ending threat, and then the movie becomes some weird political drama, and then they have big epic fight that ends on a truce once sonic realizes mario's mom has the same name as his mom, but then mario is sacrificed at the end to defeat doomsday iblis (also samus is shoehorned in)

then in the smash movie mario is resurrected with a weirdly cgied on mustache