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Speaking of ignoring results... Norfair and Green Greens. Both legal at MLG with next to no complaints. What is the BRC's thoughts on that?
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Complaints as in "OMG I lost this match because of the stage and not because I was legitimately outplayed" or as in "omg this stage is so gay I hate it!!!1"?wtf, you're kidding right BPC? I heard a TON of people complaining about those stages.
Burden of proof does not work like that, stop pretending it does. It's a matter of policy and concensus.Stages are innocent until proven guilty. What makes FD a suitable stage?
Both, a complaint is a complaint.Complaints as in "OMG I lost this match because of the stage and not because I was legitimately outplayed" or as in "omg this stage is so gay I hate it!!!1"?
I'm confused on the "results" you're talking about.Anyway, to address the people saying "Just test it"...why does the BRC have to test it when we are the ones with no qualms with the stage? You can go and test it if you want...oh wait, John#s already did that and THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN RESULTS! Wouldn't it be a little bit of a difference?
Based on results from John's tournament (Or vinnie's or whoever hosted it) there isn't a difference. So...as BPC said, people are just going to ignore those results and claim that it is still broken.
Thank you for giving us that data John's, I understand now why.
Snake is garbage on Brinstar.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-19NssjjZQ And these two players are arguably on the same level of skill, you can make all the excuses as to why Ally lost that you want. The fact doesn't change that there was not very much that he could do with his same level of expertise as M2K.
But I guess that makes it a "fair" stage huh? Putting two players of equal skill against each other and having a result of a one sided blow out occur, all the makings of a legitimate stage.
That was simply M2K using a strategy that Ally didn't adapt to and thus couldn't counter - he camped while the lava was low and then, when it rose, he used it to cover what would normally be unsafe tornado approaches. With the lava covering the floor, Ally couldn't airdodge through the nado without getting popped back up again. Does being able to use a stage to your advantage mean it should be banned?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-19NssjjZQ And these two players are arguably on the same level of skill, you can make all the excuses as to why Ally lost that you want. The fact doesn't change that there was not very much that he could do with his same level of expertise as M2K.
But I guess that makes it a "fair" stage huh? Putting two players of equal skill against each other and having a result of a one sided blow out occur, all the makings of a legitimate stage.
RC is fine, it's static and more over it doesn't provide nearly the same kind of advantage as Brinstar. (I've already said why)
Granted RC is an amazing CP for MK it, doesn't compare to Brinstar
It's not in The Netherlands, but it's nice you base your judgements of Wikipedia pages. You basically made your point worthless.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
I skimmed the above.
Whoever asserts something is the one that must prove it. Right now, the status quo on Brinstar is that it is _legal_. Burden of proof rests on those who want it banned. Kadaj's vid is the closest thing I've seen to it, but I'm not convinced. And besides, this discussion is pointless, right ESAM?
I recommend that wikipage, it's pretty legit. Basic debate concepts like burden of proof are not too difficult to grasp.It's not in The Netherlands, but it's nice you base your judgements of Wikipedia pages. You basically made your point worthless.
Except one matters, and the other doesn't.Both, a complaint is a complaint.
Loooooooool XD I am very familiar with the concept of the burden of proof, get out pleaseI recommend that wikipage, it's pretty legit. Basic debate concepts like burden of proof are not too difficult to grasp.
Vinnie's one tournament, yes.I'm confused on the "results" you're talking about.
John's statistics?
John or Vinnie's tournament? What tournament lol? I hope it's not just ONE tournament lol.
Maybe you should be more specific next time thenExcept one matters, and the other doesn't.
The games been out too long, MK isn't going to be banned, nor does he need to bewhy should we change our rulesets to nerf MK EVEN MORE when we could just ban him?
While I believe that's a major reason he won't be banned, that's the absolute worst reasonThe games been out too long, MK isn't going to be banned, nor does he need to be
So the argument before was "The game hasn't been out enough yet, MK could prove to be not as bad.", and now that it's worse, the argument is "The game has been out too long."?The games been out too long, MK isn't going to be banned, nor does he need to be
Are you talking about brin or norfairAgain, the lava actually forces fights.
I didn't think Kadaj was serious... Until I saw MK next to his name. That's when I knew he was serious... The statement of "MK hasn't been banned for two years now! That must mean he isn't broken enough!" is indeed a terrible arguement.So the argument before was "The game hasn't been out enough yet, MK could prove to be not as bad.", and now that it's worse, the argument is "The game has been out too long."?
That's just stupid.
Rich Brown Vs Will, 185 Ledgegrabs later. Should DK be banned simply cause of that?MK is broken he just hasnt been used to his full potential enough to prove it
ally vs M2K where M2k had over 100 ledge grabs ally couldnt do a damn thing about it
He was vulnerable just rich didnt figure it out all he needed was timingRich Brown Vs Will, 185 Ledgegrabs later. Should DK be banned simply cause of that?
No, MK is broken not only cause of his Planking. It's for many other ******** reasons as well...
he's only broken on brinstar. or when on the ledge. or when he's allowed to scrooge.He isn't broken, what more is there to say? o_0
It's obvious he is the best, no more than it being obvious that Yun in the best in SSF4AE With little no mus that are bad for him.
That doesn't warrant a character to be ban worthy