The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[Arcansi]

here is the data from one side of the argument. *insert data since dawn of brawl here*

here is the data from the pro ban side. *oh ya, never tried it in a big tourney*

Because T.O.s can't do MK banned tournies because if their region gets out of practice with MK, then noone can go outside their region without said other regions banning MK.

Understand?

 

[Allin]

Because T.O.s can't do MK banned tournies because if their region gets out of practice with MK, then noone can go outside their region without said other regions banning MK.

Understand?

Which is why it in-itself shouldn't be a big tournament but a side event at something like KTAR6 which would make it so they can still get practice with the MU if they don't already know it by now.

 

[Tesh]

I think its kind of funny that, while Apex won't get its own sticky, all of the current "major tournaments" at the top of the page all have "Apex" in the title.

 

[DRDN]

For the thing AZ said earlier about sponsers. Dont most people want their ads during the super bowl because it will have the biggest viewing at one time and they wont have to advertise multiple times and shell out more money every time?

So Apex will be watched by probably 80%(made up guess) of the NA smash community and they only have to support 1 tournament 1 time as opposed to having to support 200 different tournaments reaching pretty much the same places

and since APEX would have people from other countries and UNITY is only reaching the US isnt that also another reason they would want to support APEX?

Also LOL at apex getting free advertising from unity tourneys

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

also lol at the unity ruleset for making that no sticky rule. that there is the sole reason i view the bbr-rc as tyrants abusing their power. not necessarily people in the bbr-rc, but the organization as an entity. it really is ****ed up how they did the no sticky rule. honestly it's an underhanded dirty trick and an absolute and total abuse of their power as TOs. im still ashamed i play by this ruleset literally because of that rule alone, but the tourneys i attend use it so i have to support it. the gameplay ruleset is fine for the most part, but seriously the no sticky rule is something i wish they would never have done because i lost a LOT of respect for ALL TOs involved with that rule and they should really be ashamed of themselves. every time im reminded of that rule's very existence, i always think to myself, "wow, the bbr-rc are tyranical fraguts."

seriously it's a disgraceful rule and that is undeniable. i mean think about it, free advertising or not, ****ing APEX isn't stickied. just think about that and then think about the people you are letting boss you around. and while im guilty of playing by this ruleset too (because gameplay wise if you aren't a nitpicky little ***** it's a good ruleset), doesn't change the fact that this one rule imo completely removes a lot of the bbr-rc's credibility as a good organization.

and now that i've posted all that, watch them either:

1. ***** me out
2. try to defend the rule with a lot of sentences that involve words like unity, promote the ruleset, we aren't tyrants, and any synonym to any of this.

 

[Ussi]

Incentive.

 

[Heartstring]

what is apex doing thats different from the unity ruleset anyways?
yes, i havent bothered to read it this early on, its likely to change with the sheer magnitude of stage and mk banning talk happening

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

They banned Brinstar and PS2.

 

[Tin Man]

Dayum. Finally caught up. I'm surprised that the MK discussion went this far, but in this thread, it might be hard to lock I guess.

I also wonder what Apex is doing differently.

 

[Bizkit047]

As said, the sticky benefits are the incentive to use the ruleset. You have to realize, how many tourneys actually get stickied or featured? Not many...but Unity Ruleset still is being used by those tourneys that probably will never actually get stickied just because they are too small anyway.

Apex does not need sticky or featured benefits. It's Apex, everyone knows about it anyway. Even Alex Strife does not care about those benefits, he knows his tourney will get majorly advertised.

As for Apex rule changes, I believe it just got rid of PS2/Brinstar. Not sure if anything else is changed, though.

 

[Heartstring]

They banned Brinstar and PS2.

i can say i agree with that
IMO, stages like brinstar, picto, ps2 are all borderline CP/ban stages
but as ive been told many times, optional rulings cant be put into the unity ruleset XD

 

[Ussi]

PS2 is completely legit, the transformations are just mostly a player CP

 

[Nidtendofreak]

They have to be mad stupid to ban PS2.

 

[Yung Mei]

I used to not like PS2 and wanted it banned forever


After ACTUALLY TAKING THE TIME to PLAY on PS2 (about a week's range, playing friendlies and ****) i came to the conclusion



PS2 isnt that bad. lrn2playonit

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

i can say i agree with that
IMO, stages like brinstar, picto, ps2 are all borderline CP/ban stages
but as ive been told many times, optional rulings cant be put into the unity ruleset XD

They have to be mad stupid to ban PS2.

Oh look this.

Putting PS2 in the same category as picto or even brinstar is mad stupid. Alex Strife is a gigantic scrub.

 

[Tin Man]

I'm a lil shocked at the PS2 ban myself :/.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Protip: it's entirely due to Alex's very, very subjective personal feelings on competitive game design.

I'm going to keep saying "Alex Strife is a scrub" until it stops being accurate, lol. I mean, you can at least argue for brinstar, but PS2? Might as well ban Lylat and PS1 while you're at it.

 

[Heartstring]

Oh look this.

Putting PS2 in the same category as picto or even brinstar is mad stupid. Alex Strife is a gigantic scrub.

i dunno, its not really been played on over here so i cant say
it doesnt bother me either way

 

[Ussi]

Japan doesn't ban Lylat, not the best example :x

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Japan has a lot of legal stages, actually. Was quite a shock to me when I found out, I can tell you that.

They just don't play on most of them.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Just doing an informal poll over on AiB, nothing will likely come from it but I'm curious to where support currently lies about banning MK. Check it out by clicking here.

 

[Heartstring]

Just doing an informal poll over on AiB, nothing will likely come from it but I'm curious to where support currently lies about banning MK. Check it out by clicking here.

i voted ^^

why is there no love in this thread, by the way?

 

[-Ran]

Everyone, sig the link to make it more accurate. ;d

 

[Tin Man]

I can't speak for the man, but wasn't banning PS2 to cater to other regions like Japan?

 

[Allin]

Just doing an informal poll over on AiB, nothing will likely come from it but I'm curious to where support currently lies about banning MK. Check it out by clicking here.

Now we don't have to assume about the Pro-Ban/Anti-Ban Ratio anymore which was kinda annoying considering the idea of anti's staying quiet in the whole mess. Thanks alot though AZ.

 

[John12346]

I excluded double posters and people who expressed pro-ban sentiment for Doubles only, not Singles.

I see 101 yes against 27 no

Okay

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I can't speak for the man, but wasn't banning PS2 to cater to other regions like Japan?

Yep. Same way banning Delfino, RC, and Halberd was.

...Oh waaaiiiit...

Either way, it's a stupid argument because if the japanese aren't willing to adapt to the single most tame counterpick in the history of smash, then they probably suck.

 

[Heartstring]

Yep. Same way banning Delfino, RC, and Halberd was.

...Oh waaaiiiit...

Either way, it's a stupid argument because if the japanese aren't willing to adapt to the single most tame counterpick in the history of smash, then they probably suck.

the single most tame counterpick in the history of smash is not ps2, not by a long shot
we all know you love this stage, but there are simply more legal stages out there that arent neutral

 

[DRDN]

John #s when excluding the dubs only did you add them to the no side? maybe we shjould keep two sets of numbers one for singles and 1 for dubs

 

[John12346]

Yes, I added them to No.

 

[Allin]

Yes, I added them to No.

Numbers are great and all, and im sure they help the BBRC see what the community wants, but what they truly need is support behind some of these Proban tournaments, this No-MK national is the best thing that can happen and not supporting it (or advertising it in someway) would just be silly.

In the words of The Avatar ;P

"Aang: Harsh words won't solve anything, action will."

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

the single most tame counterpick in the history of smash is not ps2, not by a long shot

K, what is it? I can't think of a single "counterpick" that's got less character bias on it.

 

[Player-1]

character bias isn't everything.

 

[Overswarm]

Castle Siege comes to mind, but that's only because each transformation helps different characters.

 

[Player-1]

but castle siege is a neutral now

 

[Heartstring]

K, what is it? I can't think of a single "counterpick" that's got less character bias on it.

well by saying 'character bias' you just made my life much easier!
Seige, Delphino (despite how i hate it so), PS1. all pretty even stages in term of character bias

 

[DRDN]

Ps1 is much better then ps2 only problem is people let the stage divide them or will let someone run away to the other side and stand there

 

[san.]

^ That's probably what (helps make) PS1 worse than PS2.

I would go to to PS1 more because it helps my character more but PS2 is more fair overall.

 

[Deleted member]

Not to mention the horrid lip on PS1 that messes with some recoveries.

 

[Life]

well by saying 'character bias' you just made my life much easier!
Seige, Delphino (despite how i hate it so), PS1. all pretty even stages in term of character bias

Notice something? All four of these stages (PS1, PS2, CS, DP) are transforming, moving stages. So why do people claim FD/BF/SV are neutral? (Don't say you weren't counting starters as CS and PS1 are both starters)