The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[SaveMeJebus]

yes because we can clearly come to the conclusion that MK isn't broken based off of one match.

A broken character should only lose to itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nub3kIq-8E&t=5m53s

 

[vVv Rapture]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWJP6STK88&t=5m16s

If MK was truly broken, This wouldn't have happened

You may actually be an idiot.

 

[Scatz]

Jebus, stop using extremes to make your argument for MK being broken. You don't know what you're talking about, nor do you have any evidence to back up your claims.

 

[-Ran]

A broken character should only lose to itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nub3kIq-8E&t=5m53s

Remind me again, who won the set? Who does Ally now use against MK most of the time? Oh right, Meta Knight.

 

[Player-1]

A broken character should only lose to itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nub3kIq-8E&t=5m53s

Alright guys, we're clearly done, jebus has clearly single handedly destroyed all pro ban arguments with this one comment and one video of one match, MK is clearly NOT broken because a snake and falco beat him.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Remind me again, who won the set? Who does Ally now use against MK most of the time? Oh right, Meta Knight.

I am simply posting the fact that MK can lose matches. If Isai only mained Pikachu in smash 64, would Pikachu have been banned? he only has one even match up and it is only on one stage.

 

[Bizkit047]

A broken character should only lose to itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nub3kIq-8E&t=5m53s

I don't understand your train of thought. M2K lost on MK's easily argued worst stage. The next match, Ally gets destroyed in the same MU on another stage. Then it turns into MK dittos on MK's best stage. Winning a match =/= winning the set.

Wait, what was your argument?

 

[-Ran]

I'm starting to believe that he is attempting to help the Ban movement by providing such easily defeated arguments. That is, if we could call his statements such.

 

[Player-1]

Jebus should write the anti ban argument if we do the poll, he is just SO good at arguing and coming up with relevant points.

 

[Chuee]

Dear god Jebus, I'm not even pro-ban and I think your arguments are awful LOL

 

[allshort17]

So can we get a list of names behind the plan? Well, it needs a good name first... The Silent Poll perhaps? Since it can gauge pro-ban's strength without having to revoke the MK discussion rule.

List of names behind Silent Poll Plan:
1. InferiorityComplex
2. John12346
3. Auspher
4. vVv Rapture
5. Niddo
6. Bizkit
7. Ussi
8. M@V
9. ADHD
10. ChKn
11. Allin
12. Player-1
13. BSP
Didn't add those of you who expressed proban sentiment but didn't mention our post specifically.

Anyone else in favor, speak now or forever momentarily hold your peace! Alternatively, if I added you in error (like Bizkit) I'll remove you, too.

EDIT: That's ten people in like three minutes. Impressive?

I just wanted to say I'm in for the vote to.

 

[Chuee]

Meh, put me on for the vote too.
I miss the ban threads =)

 

[DRDN]

So your saying that since the falco was able to read the mk and the mk made bad choices mk isn't broken...that makes so much sense it has to be true

 

[DeLux]

I'm kind of getting tired of reading the sad attempts the proban people are making to advance their movement.

So I thought I'd take the first steps for everyone: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307733


If the community is really behind you, you can stop trying and start actually doing something

 

[SaveMeJebus]

So your saying that since the falco was able to read the mk and the mk made bad choices mk isn't broken...that makes so much sense it has to be true

I am saying that the character is being controlled by a human and humans make mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDGxChmOnYY

Someone showed me this video. This is what a character that should be banned looks like.

 

[Player-1]

MK doesn't have to be broken enough to be banned which he isn't IMO, when there's over centralization in his character choice then that's also a bannable trait. If 50% of the community mained ganon then I would say ban ganon.

 

[Tesh]

thats a dumb reasoning p1, also hilarious video

 

[SaveMeJebus]

MK doesn't have to be broken enough to be banned which he isn't IMO, when there's over centralization in his character choice then that's also a bannable trait. If 50% of the community mained ganon then I would say ban ganon.

And I am saying that this over centralization might be a result of the stage list that we are using

 

[Player-1]

thats a dumb reasoning p1, also hilarious video

Not really, over centralization is the main argument in many why some stages are banned/legal. It stales metagame and ultimately hurts the community.

And I am saying that this over centralization might be a result of the stage list that we are using

If that was the case then we'd only be seeing MK for just some of those stages, not as the main character played even on neutrals.

 

[Flayl]

MK doesn't have to be broken enough to be banned which he isn't IMO, when there's over centralization in his character choice then that's also a bannable trait. If 50% of the community mained ganon then I would say ban ganon.

I don't get this logic. If ganon was good enough to be mained by 50% of the community, he would be mained by 50% of the community.

 

[Player-1]

I don't get this logic. If ganon was good enough to be mained by 50% of the community, he would be mained by 50% of the community.

It's a hypothetical example....I never said he was good enough, you missed the point completely.

 

[Bizkit047]

And I am saying that this over centralization might be a result of the stage list that we are using

Oh do tell, what is your ideal anti-MK stage list? This should be good.

 

[Flayl]

It's a hypothetical example....I never said he was good enough, you missed the point completely.

It is a hypothetical example that has no point to it.

 

[Player-1]

That's why I said you missed the point, because you think that, I obviously made it clear what the point was.

 

[hichez50]

I think we are all saying in different ways that we want MK banned so why not annoy all the T.O to make MK banned tournaments until it becomes a standard and it changes in the unity rule set. That seems like the only way anything is actually going to get accomplished at this point.

 

[Chuee]

Oh do tell, what is your ideal anti-MK stage list? This should be good.

Final Destination
@Jebus: That video was not Ivan Ooze.
Son I am disappoint.

 

[Flayl]

That's why I said you missed the point, because you think that, I obviously made it clear what the point was.

Then explain the point, because the two people that replied to your post think it's dumb.

 

[John12346]

I'm kind of getting tired of reading the sad attempts the proban people are making to advance their movement.

So I thought I'd take the first steps for everyone: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307733

If the community is really behind you, you can stop trying and start actually doing something

So contacting AZ followed by rallying up some support about a plan to get a rediscussion in order isn't "doing something"?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Oh do tell, what is your ideal anti-MK stage list? This should be good.

1. Take out either Brinstar/ RC or both
2. Leave the same stage list but add an extra ban

Keitaro was saying that he used to have two stage bans but only one of those stages could be neutral.

 

[Judo777]

A broken character should only lose to itself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nub3kIq-8E&t=5m53s

Agreed????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRcb3SGbLhY

There is no way your post is serious.

 

[Player-1]

Then explain the point, because the two people that replied to your post think it's dumb.

alright, I hate repeating myself for people that don't know how to read:

Over centralization over specific things is bad because it stales metagame and hurts the community. It doesn't matter if the centralization is over something that's broken or not it's still bad for the community.

 

[Flayl]

alright, I hate repeating myself for people that don't know how to read:

Over centralization over specific things is bad because it stales metagame and hurts the community. It doesn't matter if the centralization is over something that's broken or not it's still bad for the community.

What you fail to understand is that there is a cause for over centralization. If something becomes the center of the metagame and time flows and it's still that huge part of the metagame, there's a reason for it. It's in no way a "let's all play ganon".

 

[DeLux]

So contacting AZ followed by rallying up some support about a plan to get a rediscussion in order isn't "doing something"?

Actually John, your data is one of the more proactive things out there.

At the end of the day though, discussion is still talk. And talk is only talk. And most of the talk is going to be divisive and not unifying.


If the community truly wants MK banned, they'll ban him. Actually hosting large scale MK banned tournaments that are successful has to be the most proactive measure to take.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Agreed????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRcb3SGbLhY

There is no way your post is serious.

I don't know much about street fighter. How do I know that the Akuma player isn't horrible or that the Chun li player is just that much better? What I do know is that MK is beatable and that the top ten at Genesis weren't all MKs.

 

[Player-1]

What you fail to understand is that there is a cause for over centralization. If something becomes the center of the metagame and time flows and it's still that huge part of the metagame, there's a reason for it. It's in no way a "let's all play ganon".

That's why I said it was a HYPOTHETICAL example (if you don't understand what one is, then I'll be happy to explain), I'm applying it to MK using ganon as a representation that even it is or isn't broken it should still be banned because I think MK isn't broken enough to be banned just over centralized.

 

[Judo777]

I don't know much about street fighter. How do I know that the Akuma player isn't horrible or that the Chun li player is just that much better? What I do know is that MK is beatable and that the top ten at Genesis weren't all MKs.

Both were top level players. Otochun was a decent amount better. Doesn't matter Akuma is as or more broken than MK, and he can lose to.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Folks, you've just seen something miraculous: a plan was proposed that both ADHD and Raziek could agree on! We just need BPC and Jebus/Akuma and then it'll be REALLY freaky

Up yours.

You may actually be an idiot.

Is this news?

Also, something worth noting... Anti-ban exists. They're just way less vocal than pro-ban. I hope the reasons are obvious.

 

[Judo777]

Up yours.



Is this news?

Also, something worth noting... Anti-ban exists. They're just way less vocal than pro-ban. I hope the reasons are obvious.

They are less vocal for 2 reasons one more obvious than the other. The first being they have their way right now. The second there are WAAAAAAAYYYYYY less of them.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Both were top level players. Otochun was a decent amount better. Doesn't matter Akuma is as or more broken than MK, and he can lose to.

It does matter when one player is clearly better than the other.

 

[Judo777]

It does matter when one player is clearly better than the other.

Wait what???? Dude in your clip rain is clearly better than tear bear???? What is your point???

Both MK and Akuma can be beaten if you are clearly better than your opponent. Its just that sometimes (and way more often than it should) they win despite of the other player being clearly better.