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The Official Snake Video Critique Thread!

Yumewomiteru

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Lmao I've being telling him that for months now.

Not rly a good vid to critique, something more serious and not wifi plz.

But one thing ill say is footstool snake when he's C4 recovering.
 
TommyDerMeister

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I expect no one to watch all of these, I just copy+pasted what Kyle posted in the Peach boards. The Peach boards have recetly discussed the Snake match-up so hopefully anything good I did do can help when we look at the MU closer.

TommyDerMeister :snake: vs. Silly Kyle :peach:

Match 1: Yoshi's Island
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9KJo-QBSnE

Match 2: Smashville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVrw_3glNak

Match 3: Yoshi's Island
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AExU6i6JFkg

Match 4: Final Destination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYQyRdfcHkU

Match 5: Smashville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCx0rPkpibc

Match 6: Final Destination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y97I8zySHuk

Match 7: Battlefield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix_wKMlpShE

Match 8: Battlefield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAw9bM-RC0s

Match 9: Pictochat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD794k7J1mY

Match 10: Pokemon Stadium 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqf8zjXcK8U

Match 11: Pokemon Stadium 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx6B9d9SsKQ

Match 12: Castle Siege
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkCDaMhsCLQ

Match 13: Halberd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyEqHuGpD3k

Match 14: Delfino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLOR2RHQJ7I

Match 15: Battlefield
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3dvtyUKkoY

Match 16: Smashville
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jZDHAcBBQ
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Limeee

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@tommy

i only watched the first game, i just wanna say a few things

-that peach is really good, i don't blame you for getting ***** like that lol
-this comes with experience, but you let go of your shield during strings, which cost you a lot of percent first stock
-you rolled when you shouldn't have, you rolled right into dairs among other things

overall, i think you were just making bad decisions, it happens to alot of us
i liked that you weren't predictable with your recovery and tried to recover from the side, but that that got messed up when you pulled a grenade too soon and pulled nothing

:009:
 
TommyDerMeister

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thank you for at least looking at one vid lol. That really was the first match from the weekend those happened on. Throughout the course of a weekend I played Snake vs. Peach for almost 100 matches, some of those matches get a little better as they go on.

I keep forgetting to tilt my shield up when she's dairing me, she always shield pokes me if I don't.
Yoshi's is the only stage where I feel comfortable with not always recovering high at, since the stage has a wall all along the side I can mix it up sometimes. But I do f*** it up every now an then. I blazed in all those matches, I think the first few matches don't have me using the "HIGH" tag, but the rest do.
 
Morningstar

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For Yume's first video:

I play against a lot of D3's, and the only time I get wrecked is when I rush in too much, and when I jump too much, because then they just shield whatever I have in mind and grab, or just predict where I land and grab if I don't do anything anyway. You took a lot of damage from doing really risky things, like mortar sliding into him on the ground, which got you grabbed. Throwing him off the stage and trying to bair him instead of trying to edgeguard or get a better position on the stage got you some damage because then he got some aerials in and kept you off the stage. You have to play extra careful and precise on the ground against D3. Sometimes you just have to do something simple like bait his attacks on a platform and pull nades. I like to shield drop nades and run around the stage, then throw them when they're cooked. Then I go in when I get an opening.

The stage is your friend in this matchup so never jump off of it for aerials, at least not consistently because his aerial game is much better, and that's exactly where D3 wants Snake. If you're reading your opponent the whole match, and you know how he's going to recover, then it could be a good idea. I still jump off the stage sometimes and get wrecked for it. It's fun to do but it can cost you dearly sometimes. x[

You played a safer the 2nd game, and camped more. But you still rushed in at unnecessary times to rush in, and jumped a lot. Sometimes it payed off, but other times it got you grabbed and then sent off the stage to eat more aerial damage. You got the lead back second stock, but lost it when you tried to aerial.

You had some good reads, especially when tech chasing, and your nade game is sick. I like your Snake, but you have to switch it up a little more vs. D3.
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These are some recent vids of me I'd like to get critiqued:

Morningstar (Snake) vs Bored (Ike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muy2srLHVM0
^the 2nd match is the first match of our tourney set, and the 1st is the 3rd match of the set. I lost the 2nd game which wasn't recorded.

Morningstar vs. Sync (Snake jousting aka Snake dittos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kodDUDGKxXM
 
Darkshadow7827

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DJ Rave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzwus2Ufvgw

Not my best work, but meh, it's a start, specially for WiFi.
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Interesting:

0:07 - you jump off stage in nade stance and chuck a nade. I typically don't do that. You wanna be onstage, but I ain't gonna lie - I run off stage and chuck nades sometimes, but not in nade stance.

0:20 - Nice, you spot that weegee can't grab you a second time when he didn't even bother moving haha. Punished with ftilt.

0:28 - Not about you, but I find it interesting that weegee didn't mash b enough to recover with his whirly... thing...

0:42 - good read on his roll

0:44 - Gimmicks like ftilt1 > ftilt1 > ... usually won't work offline or against better players, but hey. If it works, why not keep it up :) haha

0:50 - good read on the spot dodge and punished with pivot grab

1:12 - Random but I have never heard Snake grunt that fast in succession haha.

1:24 - Rising dair... interesting.

1:30 - another good read on a roll.

1:40 - you could've definitely made it back to the ledge without C4 recovering. Weegee was no where near enough to edge guard.

I can't really offer "constructive criticism" unless something in blatantly wrong or there's some debilitating pattern. You won the match and with relative ease so what you're doing is working in this situation. It's nice to see other people play.

At least I responded. That's more than a miracle on these mostly inactive vid threads.
 
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Darkshadow7827 said:
Interesting:

0:07 - you jump off stage in nade stance and chuck a nade. I typically don't do that. You wanna be onstage, but I ain't gonna lie - I run off stage and chuck nades sometimes, but not in nade stance.

0:20 - Nice, you spot that weegee can't grab you a second time when he didn't even bother moving haha. Punished with ftilt.

0:28 - Not about you, but I find it interesting that weegee didn't mash b enough to recover with his whirly... thing...

0:42 - good read on his roll

0:44 - Gimmicks like ftilt1 > ftilt1 > ... usually won't work offline or against better players, but hey. If it works, why not keep it up :) haha

0:50 - good read on the spot dodge and punished with pivot grab

1:12 - Random but I have never heard Snake grunt that fast in succession haha.

1:24 - Rising dair... interesting.

1:30 - another good read on a roll.

1:40 - you could've definitely made it back to the ledge without C4 recovering. Weegee was no where near enough to edge guard.

I can't really offer "constructive criticism" unless something in blatantly wrong or there's some debilitating pattern. You won the match and with relative ease so what you're doing is working in this situation. It's nice to see other people play.

At least I responded. That's more than a miracle on these mostly inactive vid threads.
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The Ftilt1 > Ftilt1 thing i don't normally go for, but my opponent was pretty easy, so wtv.

Thanks for the feedback, though, i really do need to stop using C4 to recover so often, it gives me unnecessary damage.
I'll get more vids up soon.
 
Limeee

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Black Mantis said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7LkY2kEHg8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HjrIY3_EU&feature=related
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+epic music
-bad texture hack

but for srs stuff
first match
-at 1:26ish instead of going for the ledge, you tried to jump over and airdodge, don't do this, anyone that is good will just **** snakes crappy landing
-you like to pull out 2 grenades alot, i'm not really sure what to say about that, but it generally isn't too good
-you use the full jab, dont. use jab-ftilt
-you got fsmashed out of cypher on your second stock. you could of either 1. cancelled (pressed down) and sweetspotted the ledge, or you could've backed off, and c4'd so you could recover higher.please don't have bad cypher habits :)
-too much spamming of moves, you just whiffed lots of jabs and ftilts, not very good, when your against a better opponent (this one isn't too good:oneeye: )
-be more patient while recovering, you keep jumping into the **** when you could've just recovered from the top
-your last death was caused by your impatience, you keep trying to go for the ledge

and i don't feel like watching the 2nd one, maybe another time, but TLDR
-don't pull out grenades so fast and unpatiently
-you have a very impatient style, which will **** you over against good opponents
-start recovering higher, and avoid jumping onto the stage, when you can go for the ledge
-stop jabbing and throwing out random whiffed moves. if someone asks you why you used a move, you should have a reason, instead of just throwing it out. MK's will **** you if you randomly jab and whiff ftilts

be PATIENT

:009:
 
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for real that texture is like so distracting I couldn't watch, from a few seconds of it though you roll into people way too much
 
Limeee

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LOL.

people can easily hit snake without setting off the nades, or you can always just grab
ike can just jab and roll away and be safe
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Wilmenz

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@NapZzz Thanks for watching... Are you sure there's nothing i need to work on?

@Kadaj You need to stop air dodging so much... I know its MK in the air but you need to attack more otherwise you will get overwhelmed by his offense and B reversal more i noticed there were some times where you airdodged and could of B reversal to safety
 
napZzz

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there probably is, but its hard to call when you're winning matches and playing well. Its easier to see you lose and THEN call out the flaws that might not have been exploited originally or came straight out

aside from being more patient anyways, dont get hasty, no need to ALWAYS attack when they get close to you, baiting is just as important as anything else with snake, because if YOU get baited its bad news, the waiting game is one you have to get better control of to come out on top in close combat situations

lol wait I actually only watched matches where you won skipping randomly, i'll come back later and type some stuff up if I can
 
TommyDerMeister

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I have some tourney vids

vs. Silly Kyle :peach:
M1 (Battlefield)
M2 (Battlefield)
M3 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. DerpDaBerp :luigi2:
M1 (Yoshi's Island)
M2 (Rainbow Cruise)

vs. KiraFlax :pit:
M2 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. K9 :falco:
M3 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. RaveRemix :toonlink:
Friendly (Yoshi's Island)
 
iKiLLOTz

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TommyDerMeister said:
I have some tourney vids

vs. Silly Kyle :peach:
M1 (Battlefield)
M2 (Battlefield)
M3 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. DerpDaBerp :luigi2:
M1 (Yoshi's Island)
M2 (Rainbow Cruise)

vs. KiraFlax :pit:
M2 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. K9 :falco:
M3 (Yoshi's Island)

vs. RaveRemix :toonlink:
Friendly (Yoshi's Island)
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Okay, i can partially help with the Falco matchup

I personally thought you handled this match up quite well. Lying down to avoid the lasers was a nice touch. One thing that i could suggest is to use "mine" alot more. In my opinion this can be used effectively alot on Falco, particualry when he is trying to recover back to the stage. I also liked the way you got ready to punish Falco when he was coming back.

Overall pretty solid Snake
 
Wilmenz

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In the Falco MU:

You need to stop using the Full jab combo, use more Jab>Ftilt or Jab>Grab. When you are at CG percents you gotta be careful while Ftilting if the Ftilt misses NEVER go to Ftilt2 unless they are just a bit far away it got you chaingrabbed, if you Ftilt and they spotdodge wait for the invincible frames to run out and go into Ftilt2 overall throw your Ftilts as late as posible.

When you were recovering back to the stage you were airdodging alot try to use more Nair while falling back and Bair if someone is charging something at you. You get really impatient while getting the kill but its hard to notice when your opponent is doing the same thing lolz.

4:18 best mindgames ever.

At 5:10 you began to airdodge everytime he hit you, he capitalized on it and you got like 42% just because of that.

Overall very good Snake just gotta work more on protecting yourself while landing
 
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these are kinda old and b4 i figured out the mu but id like them done none the less please ^^ ill try to get some more recent but till then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-GrnQmMWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN2Mncnhek&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFuDySwnrhQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMngxC2qMp4&feature=related

much appreciation oh and sry for the audio desync YT has been fking up ALL my vids lately dunno why cuz they are sync'd when on my computer as video files.
 
TommyDerMeister

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Thanks guys for giving feedback. That Falco is our state's only Falco main and I only ever get a chance to play him at tourney since we live in different cities. Now when I get to play him again I'll be a little more prepared.

And yeah I obviously was getting ***** and getting more nervous towards the end of that match. My recovery back onto stage definitely needs to be worked on.
 
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