GofG
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Thiocyanide, we all have already defined highest levels of play for you. You chose to ignore us, and now you are asking Salabo to do what has already been done by three people now.
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The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)
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Are you intentionally dropping the last letter of my name? I really ignore capitalization since it obviously confuses people, but there is a "b" on the end.
And the initial post says "Highest levels" levels. Plural. S on the end. I know, you drop letters from the ends of things, but it's still there in the OP. That means not just the very top, and the word "highest" doesn't make it any less plural. Since at least two levels are involved, that means it's not just the absolute top. If it were worded "Top levels" it would still not be only the top level because levels is still plural. Quit picking on the word "highest" and look at the word it's applied to. Honestly this is as bad as brinboy, I already explained it clearly in the post you're quoting and now I'm having to repeat myself again. For the third time, at that.
Now that that's out of the way, how am I supposed to determine exactly where it meant? I think you're nitpicking when you say "Oh you can't look at results in your region because M2K isn't there so it's obviously not top level". If a region can compete with acknowledged skilled players from another region, isn't that enough that they demonstrate the issue? What if we put "highest levels" at the point where it's right below the runaway best people who will beat anyone lower than them no matter who they use? Will that work for you? That's where MK is doing the most damage to the matchups anyway, and where things will get the most shuffled if he is banned.
I hadn't specified where I thought it should be, I was just pointing out that there was no realistic interpretation of the OP that said "top level only".
da K.I.D.
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that works
popsofctown
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just amusing parallel here, if the NBA only responded to the needs of the best of best players within the league, the basket probably would have to be raised to "balance" yao ming against normal outside shooters without genetic defects that make them tall.
GofG
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toasting in an epic bread
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"That Bowser" was Kishsquared; he is more than likely the best bowser player in the country. I also beat said Bowser. This was also in a tournament that was created, set up, put into place, and finished in under 24 hours. The turnout was only about 26 or so people, as the original tournament we were going to was cancelled due to angry neighbors and "that Bowser" and his friends stepped their game up.
da K.I.D.
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uhhhh.. if you havent noticed...
in all pro sports the rules are balenced in favor of the best players.
the best in basketball are 6'2"-6'7" and the basket is just teh right height for them.
in all sports the rules are bent so that the best players cna get the benefit of the doubt
if shaq wasnt a hall-of-famer, he would foul out of every game because he plays dirty and pushes people out of the way and elbows them and crap while he plays
XtACY
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dont band mk/ jsut becasue hes mad good doesnt mean to ban him
marth has a counter which is made annoying ban him than lol
marth has a counter which is made annoying ban him than lol
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Umm...Yeah. Welcome to Smashboards...and Super Smash Bros.
Fatmanonice
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The English language just cried... Also, you think Marth should be banned because you find his counter attack annoying? I just cried...
XtACY
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are you talking to me ? lol thanks?
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You're welcome..
*Goes back to reading*
Roy's counter ***** fox and falco recovery in melee! ban him nao!111!11!
it annoyz me.
GofG
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XtACY for PRESIDENT OF SPACE.
Foxy
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XtACY
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thanks buddy.
thespymachine
Smash Ace
Time will tell, if MK should be banned or not.
You need to look at it from both sides of the argument on this point. It comes down to where the bet is hedged.
If MK stays in now, he might stagnate the metagame by the time we choose to look at this again. Or he might not.
If MK gets banned, we could lose a segment of the metagame. or he could actually need a ban.
All in all, not a debatable point at all. Unless we have some augers up in here.
thespymachine
Smash Ace
Exactly.
I'm not debating at all.
I'm just saying that a time will come when we know if the MK ban will be needed or not.
I'd just like to say that Meta Knight is a character in Brawl.
metalmonstar
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I would like to see the numbers. What is metaknight's point total with out M2K?
Who are you going to believe about the olimar vs. Peach matchup? Dangr, Edress, the olimar boards, the peach boards, or Inui? I think the choice is obvious, Inui is the best Olimar, Peach, Snake, Marth, and every other character that supposedly beats Metaknight in the world. Inui knows more than we all do.
Perfect camping should be banned before it becomes a problem, because obviously it is the perfect and unbeatable tactic that even the best Metaknight can't handle.
This topic is full of epic post. This topic is too good. It should be banned with metaknight.
Who are you going to believe about the olimar vs. Peach matchup? Dangr, Edress, the olimar boards, the peach boards, or Inui? I think the choice is obvious, Inui is the best Olimar, Peach, Snake, Marth, and every other character that supposedly beats Metaknight in the world. Inui knows more than we all do.
Perfect camping should be banned before it becomes a problem, because obviously it is the perfect and unbeatable tactic that even the best Metaknight can't handle.
This topic is full of epic post. This topic is too good. It should be banned with metaknight.
thespymachine
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I'd just like to say that Meta Knight wasn't a problem in Melee. Fact.
Now, this is just speculation, but I think it was just due to the difference in game mechanics, so this is a pointless comparison.
i brought up this point in another thread, but it was closed due to the surplus of others similar to it:
for the ban, ive read into it quite a bit. i myself, am debating whether or not to stay w/ mk, however that is off topic. the ban is a good and bad idea.
my suggestion is to ban metaknight, but not forever. make it a temporary ban, i dont know how long this is only a suggestion. with a temporary ban, other characters from the other tiers will be able to explore themselves and improve their overall gameplay other than trying to find ways to counter a metaknight. after the period of the ban, we should bring metaknight back into tournaments and see how he fares with the newly improved characters. however, if metaknight still dominates, ban him.
this way, people will be able to improve their game overall instead of always looking for ways to beat a metaknight.
banning metaknight forever wouldnt prove anything. a ban like that wouldnt prove metaknights brokenness (word?). giving a chance for the other characters to improve their own game is the only logical way to prove metaknights "brokenness."
feedback is greatly appreciated and flaming is almost expected...
for the ban, ive read into it quite a bit. i myself, am debating whether or not to stay w/ mk, however that is off topic. the ban is a good and bad idea.
my suggestion is to ban metaknight, but not forever. make it a temporary ban, i dont know how long this is only a suggestion. with a temporary ban, other characters from the other tiers will be able to explore themselves and improve their overall gameplay other than trying to find ways to counter a metaknight. after the period of the ban, we should bring metaknight back into tournaments and see how he fares with the newly improved characters. however, if metaknight still dominates, ban him.
this way, people will be able to improve their game overall instead of always looking for ways to beat a metaknight.
banning metaknight forever wouldnt prove anything. a ban like that wouldnt prove metaknights brokenness (word?). giving a chance for the other characters to improve their own game is the only logical way to prove metaknights "brokenness."
feedback is greatly appreciated and flaming is almost expected...
ftl
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BS. Vids or it didn't happen. YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED, OPEN YOUR EYES.
Fixed. If only one player was winning with MK, we wouldn't have this thread.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
I vote for ban.
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
I think there needs to be a The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread v3 with maybe a list of common arguments.
Fletch
Smash Master
What is this going to change? If you do this, shouldn't you have to remove the top player of every single character? Also, what does this prove?
brinboy789
Smash Champion
it would see how much MK dominated tournies if we didnt count M2K.
There's still a lot of them, M2K hasn't gone to a significant portion of the Brawl tournies that have been reported.
Fletch
Smash Master
Which is irrelevant. Unless you want to take out the best player of every character for all the rankings, then it might mean something, but even then, there isn't really a point.
ProBrawler
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Great idea, but the people who will post the same thing we've heard 1000 times will be those that don't read the first post. =(
metalmonstar
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Well there have been those that have stated that M2K makes up most of metaknight points. I believe the argument would be that if you subtract M2K's wins, which skew the data since he is the best brawl player regardless of character, then you would see that metaknight is actually a reasonable character.
The problem I see with this is that if you take out M2K's wins, you still find that on average 3-4 metaknights make it to the top 8 at most tournaments. Which means M2k doesn't make up as much as people would like to think. Then again it wouldn't hurt the argument to run the numbers.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
I watched him footstool the tornado over and over when I played him.
Once again, stop doing everything in your power to slander me and actually try to debate.
Why do people keep saying MK has more than 50% of the Atlantic North wins? I went through Ankoku's archive, and MK barely wins. I attend 5 events per month in my region, and MK rarely gets 1st.
Natch
Smash Ace
Really. Ignoring the fact that you lack video proof, that's only M2K(I assume you're talking about him). You should know that he lives, eats, and breathes the MK ditto matchup. You are a reletively new MK. He knows every knook and cranny of MK. You do not.
Of course he'd be able to Footstool your Whorenados. What you have said is an exception, not the norm.
Inui
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Huh?
Basic Sausage footstools it with Dedede all the time. This causes him to fly away from it and only take about 4% damage, sometimes less depending on how quickly he DI's out.
I'm not talking about Mew2King.
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