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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0
- Thread starter Zankoku
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Turbo Ether
Smash Master
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I definitely care.
I said "2nd best of the heavyweights".
i didn't say it was the perfect recovery.
And i didn't say anything about speed.
DK's number 1? No freakin way. DK's upB has invincibilty frames on startup, and decent horizontal coverage. Zero vertical height. Same goes for Bowser.
Snake, i'll agree has a great upB.
I also said RECOVERY, not just UpB. D3 and Zard have multiple jumps. And Zard has a glide. (As slow as it may be, better than none)
While I retract my statement of Zard having 2nd best, this is the order I'd put the heavyweight's recoveries in.
1. D3
2. Snake
3. Charizard
4. Ganondorf DK Bowser (their UpBs all suck for recovery so its a tie.)
i didn't say it was the perfect recovery.
And i didn't say anything about speed.
DK's number 1? No freakin way. DK's upB has invincibilty frames on startup, and decent horizontal coverage. Zero vertical height. Same goes for Bowser.
Snake, i'll agree has a great upB.
I also said RECOVERY, not just UpB. D3 and Zard have multiple jumps. And Zard has a glide. (As slow as it may be, better than none)
While I retract my statement of Zard having 2nd best, this is the order I'd put the heavyweight's recoveries in.
1. D3
2. Snake
3. Charizard
4. Ganondorf DK Bowser (their UpBs all suck for recovery so its a tie.)
Scott!
Smash Lord
I'll agree with that list, except I'd take at least DK's over Ganon's. Also, I'd put Ike on there, at the bottom of course.
While there are matchups where it simply doesn't make sense to use Ivysaur, I think Ivysaur can hold her own in most matchups.
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Ivy's my favorite actually. I know that's dumb but he's awesome. Love that Bair. D=
The Nameless Wanderer
Smash Lord
Lmao, you forgots Rob <_<.
Also, Bowser's Recovery does not suck. I am sure that its much better than Ganon's.
It helps to switch to Ivy at high percents, since being gimped really is not a whole fresh stock.
Also, Bowser's Recovery does not suck. I am sure that its much better than Ganon's.
It helps to switch to Ivy at high percents, since being gimped really is not a whole fresh stock.
Ryusuta
Smash Master
Actually, I'd consider this the classification for every class below B, but above F.
M.K
Level 55
Wow, you are an idiot. Stop spout knowledge that just fails.
Ivysaur, far from the worst character in the game. Damage racking potential is SKY HIGH with Bullet Seed. Great spacing with BAIR, and amazing kill moves.
YOU are the problem we have the community. We have endured "Lolstamina" and "Lolivysaur" forever without any justification as to why they are perceived that way. And frankly, if Reflex can beat out a huge group of people at a tournament with ONLY Pokemon Trainer, than obviously "Lolstamina" isn't an issue.
That was really called for -_-
We all obviously care enough about PT to know the ins and outs like you do
You have no clue what you are talking about, do you?
Enlighten me, please.
tocador
Smash Lord
When i said SBR i wasnt talking about you spade :D! I just refered to them as you ><! I know you are the "low tier man o/", and i know you dont dislike PT like the SBR previously did. :D
Edit: Wow guys, lol dont be so agressive with the "lolvissaur" ><! Let him think pt sucks cause of "lolvissaur", cause the only thing that matters is that WE know he dosent :D, so w/e to the scrubs :D
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
I thought that Charizard and Squirtle were both good, but in different ways (as in, Squirtle rocks at racking up damage while Charizard rocks at pure KO power).
And Ivysaur isn't the worst character in the game. In the bottom 5, yes, but not quite the worst.
hundreds of utilts
Smash Apprentice
Ivy ***** bigger characters. I usually keep him out vs Dedede. bullet seed <3
The only match up I really find unbearable with Ivy is metaknght, and sometimes falco.
The only match up I really find unbearable with Ivy is metaknght, and sometimes falco.
Mainly I am referring to DK's recovery that you are ****ting on, obviously through exaggeration. Stuff like "decent" horizontal recovery. For not being a glided recovery DK has among the best horizontal recovery, IMO. He will never fall short of the ledge, and that's good enough for me, so it is better than "decent".
You also say "zero vertical recovery". Zero? He does have vertical recovery. Sure, it has ****ty vertical height compared to others, but if you still have your second jump it will almost always be enough to get back to the stage. Along with DK's weight you will rarely be in the position to be forced to rely on vertical recovery, short of being semi-spiked.
DK doesn't have the best recovery, but you make it sound abysmal, when it practice it really isn't so much of a problem when you also take his weight into consideration.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Ivy loses to anyone with a sword...
(I think Ivy loses to Link)
(I think Ivy loses to Link)
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
I have to agree with you. Basically, if Donkey Kong doesn't get meteor smashed, then he can usually recover if he doesn't die initially. His vertical distance is poor, but it's usually enough to survive. The same applies to Peach: her horizontal recovery is excellent, and she can basically recover from any angle except directly upwards.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
lol @ Peach's second jump...
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Peach does fine.
As long as she still has her lulzy second jump, vertical recovery is always "just enough."
Spikes are stupid though.
As long as she still has her lulzy second jump, vertical recovery is always "just enough."
Spikes are stupid though.
Allow me to elaborate, without knocking you off your high horse.
1. You recover and have used your UpB, come close to the stage and your opponent knocks you away. Hitstun takes effect and your upB now is not enough to get you back.
2. You fsmash/ftilt close to the edge, your opponent perfect shields, and you end up buffering a Fair. Gg DK. No vertical recovery, even with you're 2nd jump.
Speed. How FAST can you get to the edge horizontally? How many characters have better horizontal options? Fox, Falco, Luigi, just off the top of my head, can reach equal if not further distance than DK and much faster, thus leaving less time for your opponent to gimp you.
Ok. I did exaggerate. DK has very little vertical height on his upB. As for the 2nd jump saved, here's 2 situations that are fairly common:
1. You recover and have used your UpB, come close to the stage and your opponent knocks you away. Hitstun takes effect and your upB now is not enough to get you back.
2. You fsmash/ftilt close to the edge, your opponent perfect shields, and you end up buffering a Fair. Gg DK. No vertical recovery, even with you're 2nd jump.
I made it sound abysmal? No, that's what you chose to hear. DKs recovery is decent. if you look into the context, I was comparing it to the likes of the other heavyweights, not the entire cast.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Actually... I've seen Peach's side b go through ness's down air before...
and that's something to write home about...
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I was giving an impression. Chill out. I am barely if at all knowledgeable at all in regards to PT. I even said I only play them a little bit. I never even said I thought PT was bad.
I do love Squirtle a lot, though.
Anyhoo, I'm off to bed. Need sleep, cbf posting.
What I've written is MY OPINION, if you don't like it, good for you. I don't give a sh*t.
I find it ironic that I had a conversation about worst recoveries when I main Ivysaur.
This was fun, lets do it again sometime.
What I've written is MY OPINION, if you don't like it, good for you. I don't give a sh*t.
I find it ironic that I had a conversation about worst recoveries when I main Ivysaur.
This was fun, lets do it again sometime.
Albert.
Smash Master
How is DK's 1??
Snake's recovering is much better IMO.
why doesn't he go helpless after his UpB? Do you think the developers really intended for C4 recovery >_<
BTW people Ivysaur is a combo king, similar to Mario, I.E. not the most damaging moves but they are potentially much better at stringing together.
just ask Reflex lol
You can time the recovery to glide above the ledge, and even lag cancel it (because DK has a vertical recovery, you know...). DK has a longer distance than the characters you just listed too, except maybe Weegee, but his recovery is so dependent I don't care.
1. It has never been a problem for me. The only time where that does happen is Kirby's dair, because it has multiple hits and takes you downward. Otherwise a single hit in most cases sends you flying upward and the hitstun isn't long enough to take you out of range to miss the ledge.
2. True, same for dair when trying to do a DSmash. But it doesn't mean it is preventable.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Wario is easily the heavyweight with the best recovery. :X
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
I second this, and aerial mobility. He's paradoxical!
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Hmm... I didnt know Wario was considered a heavy weight...
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
If you take Charizard, you should take in Wario, since their weight difference is only minimal.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
There's a fine line between dragons and obese Italians
K@0S
Smash Ace
^ rofl
And Wario is even harder to kill than Charizard because of his horizontal DI
And Wario is even harder to kill than Charizard because of his horizontal DI
Albert.
Smash Master
Holy Walls of Text, Batman!
I just thought I'd point out that saying ZSS has a better aerial game than Wario is silly, b/c if it was, then she'd beat Wario, but she doesn't (hell, people say to abuse upsmash with her against him rather than confront him in the air) [he doesn't have too much ground game either outside of his grabs and jab cancels). At BEST their aerial game is equivalent, and ONLY b/c of upair.
I just thought I'd point out that saying ZSS has a better aerial game than Wario is silly, b/c if it was, then she'd beat Wario, but she doesn't (hell, people say to abuse upsmash with her against him rather than confront him in the air) [he doesn't have too much ground game either outside of his grabs and jab cancels). At BEST their aerial game is equivalent, and ONLY b/c of upair.
Tarmogoyf
Smash Master
He's the 8th heaviest in the game.
Also, Rob has the best or 2nd best heavyweight recovery (Wario is OBV the other one)
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Yea, an extremely fine line. Almost unnoticably fine. :D
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
And his amazing recovery.
BurningCrusader777
Smash Journeyman
Actually...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various38.html
Using Snake’s C4 packs while falling can occasionally prove useful as a recovery technique. Drop a pack straight beneath yourself, perform an accelerated fall to catch up with the pack, and then detonate the explosive. Snake will be propelled upward with the force of the explosion.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
****...They gave him infinite recovery on purpose...
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