I know right?! MK should be -1! That way he won't be broken anymore!
Mario's pretty low, so look for him about 2/3 of the way down.
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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0
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Mario's pretty low, so look for him about 2/3 of the way down.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Sure he does.
Down B -> ROCK SMASH
I forgive any and all of Ivysaur's faults as long as he still has that combo.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Just curious why is pit rated so high on the tier list?
From what I've seen he can't combo into fsmash at killing percents and the move it's self doesn't kill with di until I'm guessing near 110%. He cannot combo into his other kill move his bair and because of it's short range and short lasting strong hit box it looks hard to depend on. His combos well aren't very many to be honest and his OoS options look pretty average.
It seem the only reason he's even higher then character like Peach, luigi, fox, and Sheik is because his recover his more flexible, he's a bit heavier, and he can shot arrows fast.
That's a pretty bad trade off for safe approaches and combo into kill moves, can someone explain to me why everyone holds pit so high? He just seemed so highly rated for something that has no hype.
From what I've seen he can't combo into fsmash at killing percents and the move it's self doesn't kill with di until I'm guessing near 110%. He cannot combo into his other kill move his bair and because of it's short range and short lasting strong hit box it looks hard to depend on. His combos well aren't very many to be honest and his OoS options look pretty average.
It seem the only reason he's even higher then character like Peach, luigi, fox, and Sheik is because his recover his more flexible, he's a bit heavier, and he can shot arrows fast.
That's a pretty bad trade off for safe approaches and combo into kill moves, can someone explain to me why everyone holds pit so high? He just seemed so highly rated for something that has no hype.
Masterchef1123
Smash Apprentice
Cause he is friendly easy to use character :D
lol kidding
Maybe because he has a good camping strategy and has fairly good aerials and smash attacks
Plus it's really hard to beat a camping pit
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I thought you said with DI lol @ 110 that's sheik for you I guess
Let's see...
Pit:
*has a projectile...
*has 2 reflectors, one of which acts like Mario's cape on startup...
*has dsmash, fair and bair as kill moves, in case his fsmash's weakness to SDI fails him...
*has one of the best recoveries, which can be canceled with any attack as soon as it's going to end so he doesn't have to freefall into an opponent's attack...
*has a glide, as well as a glide attack that doesn't clank (disjointed and transcendent) and kills...
*has a juggle-friendly uair that is multi-hit...
I guess that's it. He's still pretty light, can be gimped if his opponent likes to gimp while he recovers from low/stage-level heights, and his kill moves are highly telegraphed since he needs to be close to kill you (if the opponent knows his kill moves' ranges, Pit will have a hard time killing). He isn't exactly "good" against most top tiers either, they can pressure him quite well and force him to make mistakes MUCH better than Pit can pressure them.
Pit:
*has a projectile...
*has 2 reflectors, one of which acts like Mario's cape on startup...
*has dsmash, fair and bair as kill moves, in case his fsmash's weakness to SDI fails him...
*has one of the best recoveries, which can be canceled with any attack as soon as it's going to end so he doesn't have to freefall into an opponent's attack...
*has a glide, as well as a glide attack that doesn't clank (disjointed and transcendent) and kills...
*has a juggle-friendly uair that is multi-hit...
I guess that's it. He's still pretty light, can be gimped if his opponent likes to gimp while he recovers from low/stage-level heights, and his kill moves are highly telegraphed since he needs to be close to kill you (if the opponent knows his kill moves' ranges, Pit will have a hard time killing). He isn't exactly "good" against most top tiers either, they can pressure him quite well and force him to make mistakes MUCH better than Pit can pressure them.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
..Like I said I'm guessing also why are you bringing up sheik?I thought you said with DI lol @ 110 that's sheik for you I guess
prOAPC
Smash Lord
when will we have tier list #4? After Pound 4?
for fsmash it is dependant on where you are on stage the big problem with horizontal kill moves they kill drastically higer from one end of the stage to the other with good DI. 110 though, thats crazy low...
fsmash comes out at what frame 5 or something and its relatively safe on sheild against most characters.
fsmash comes out at what frame 5 or something and its relatively safe on sheild against most characters.
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Pit is a "good", balanced character with a nice projectile... and that's just the problem. Good, balanced, and nice aren't broken, in any sense of the word. To be really good in this game you have to be dumb. >_>
It seems to me that Pit doesn't have the range and kill power you'd expect to get from a first-rate character, nor can he compensate for a lack of these qualities with any game-changing attributes such as Wario's aerial mobility or Diddy's ability to pull out bananas on command and use them so dang well.
As a result, he's not quite able to keep up with the best characters in the game that DO have that crazy range, mobility, survivability, kill power, etc., and in most cases a very good combination of these.
He's good- just not great.
It seems to me that Pit doesn't have the range and kill power you'd expect to get from a first-rate character, nor can he compensate for a lack of these qualities with any game-changing attributes such as Wario's aerial mobility or Diddy's ability to pull out bananas on command and use them so dang well.
As a result, he's not quite able to keep up with the best characters in the game that DO have that crazy range, mobility, survivability, kill power, etc., and in most cases a very good combination of these.
He's good- just not great.
i am holding them for ransom money
heh... stealer...
@DanGR
Most characters in the game aren't up to pits level though, he may not be Steir but the tools he does have dominate a lot of the cast I think.
@DanGR
Most characters in the game aren't up to pits level though, he may not be Steir but the tools he does have dominate a lot of the cast I think.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
In brawl I think having a couple busted characteristics is better than being average/good in all things, which is why pit isnt that great of a character. characters like sonic with his extreme speed, and charizard with his weight, power, and rock smash seem to be better than a character thats balenced in all things like pit. thats why mario is low tier.
Col. Stauffenberg
Smash Lord
But Sonic and Charizard aren't better than Pit...
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
thats not what I think...
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Eh... dominate is too strong a word here even if he blew the low/mid tier characters out of the water, as it wouldn't really matter all that much. He's got a ton of near-even matchups with the rest of the cast, (mid and up) with more disadvantageous matchups as you near the top (losing to MK by quite a margin, it seems), though all of them seem doable. I'd place him around 16th or so along with the likes of say... Wolf, R.O.B., and Lucario maybe, in no particular order.
Albert.
Smash Master
LOL so if being "balanced" is bad then shouldn't "broken" be balanced?
Well if you want to call Snake's utilt "balanced" for purposes of following Da KiD's personal opinion, be my guest.
He's right, by the way. Pit is decent in a lot of things... But that's it, he's just 'decent', and 'decent' won't get you anywhere when there are other characters with unholy traits that do better than 'decent' characters. Pit's range is decent, his kill power is decent, his projectile is decent... But how can he fare against MK (for example), which has an unholy moveset, and Snake and DDD and Wario and Marth and (...)?
Albert.
Smash Master
I was being facetious, dip.
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hey don't include marth in that! unless you're ever talking about Melee lolol
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
To be fair, Marth is similar to how a lot of you are describing Pit right now. "Good" at a lot of things but not "great" at anything - Marth.
Pit on the other hand has "great" recovery and a "great" camping game but poor KO power and poor range. Pit is an A tier quality character though.
I also see a lot of this "who should move down for these various characters to move up?" snark which is hilarious because there are three (and possibly four) characters in A tier right now who are certainly not high tier characters. B tier is the new A tier; Lucario, ZSS, Toon Link, and arguably Pit and DK are more relevant and getting better results than ROB, GaW and Kirby nowadays. TL and DK suffer unwinnable match-ups I guess.
If GaW, Kirby, and ROB are still high tier in this next round there's something seriously wrong.
A better high tier than current in no particular order:
Dedede
Marth
ICs
Pikachu
ZSS
Olimar
Lucario
Pit
Toon Link
A better B tier in no particular order:
GAW
DK
Kirby
Sheik
Peach
Fox
ROB
Luigi
Pit on the other hand has "great" recovery and a "great" camping game but poor KO power and poor range. Pit is an A tier quality character though.
I also see a lot of this "who should move down for these various characters to move up?" snark which is hilarious because there are three (and possibly four) characters in A tier right now who are certainly not high tier characters. B tier is the new A tier; Lucario, ZSS, Toon Link, and arguably Pit and DK are more relevant and getting better results than ROB, GaW and Kirby nowadays. TL and DK suffer unwinnable match-ups I guess.
If GaW, Kirby, and ROB are still high tier in this next round there's something seriously wrong.
A better high tier than current in no particular order:
Dedede
Marth
ICs
Pikachu
ZSS
Olimar
Lucario
Pit
Toon Link
A better B tier in no particular order:
GAW
DK
Kirby
Sheik
Peach
Fox
ROB
Luigi
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Yu're all rather stupid.
What he means is that characters who excel in areas typically tend to be better than those who areall around.
Mario=all around=bad
Charizard=power/weight=better than Mario
What he means is that characters who excel in areas typically tend to be better than those who areall around.
Mario=all around=bad
Charizard=power/weight=better than Mario
Magik0722
Smash Champion
Mario > charizard
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I wouldn't describe mario as being all-round. He's slow and his recovery is awful
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
What's the definition of "zoning" again?
Just trying to avoid the whole "great at spacing" thing I hear from anything Ganon to Snake.
Just trying to avoid the whole "great at spacing" thing I hear from anything Ganon to Snake.
mountain_tiger
Smash Champion
Bad? Yes. Awful? No.
Though you're right about him not being an all-roudn character. His gimping ability is far better than 'average', and is the main reason I can see him rising a spot or two.
I agree entirely on ROB not being high tier. GaW and Kirby are still debatable though. They do have a number of very good qualities; not many, but said qualities are really, really good. They should drop, but still stay in high tier IMO.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Zoning is controlling space to limit the options of your opponent.
And no, Ganon is not good at spacing, but snake is.
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If Peach is not A tier, there is no way Pit is. You are going about his camping and recovery, so that makes him A tier? I find that insane.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Pit is good with planking which makes him god tier+
Pit should never be in A tier, seriously. A good recovery and a good camping game are not enough to get him to high tier, and his camping game isn't all that "wow" either, since he gains nothing from spamming arrows against opponents who know how to evade them (which is a LOT of opponents), and the damage output is also minimal. Sure, he has some nifty tricks here and there, but I don't see him ever being side-by-side with the rest of A tier. All his moves can be telegraphed, actually, which is detrimental to his playstyle; if he's in the air close to you, he's gonna fair you. If he's backwards, he's gonna bair you. If he's gliding, he's gonna glide attack you/glide right past you, which runs the risk of him getting hit. Other characters (even Kirby, the bottom of A tier) have more options for more situations than Pit does, as sad as it may sound for the angel.
TL, however, is debatable... He's one of those characters who's scratching for bottom of A, along with Lucario and ZSS, and all 3 of them have similar tourney results.
And how can Kirby lower, but still remain in high tier? He's at the lowest position in high tier, lowering even one spot means he'll be in mid tier, and he's definitely a character that belongs in high tier. : |
TL, however, is debatable... He's one of those characters who's scratching for bottom of A, along with Lucario and ZSS, and all 3 of them have similar tourney results.
And how can Kirby lower, but still remain in high tier? He's at the lowest position in high tier, lowering even one spot means he'll be in mid tier, and he's definitely a character that belongs in high tier. : |
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I have a question for people. Do you boys seriously think about the pros AND cons about characters when you hype/bash them? I seriously think people don't do that.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
I had to run off to pick up my little brother.
I do, it's not smart to bring faulty info to the boards, people who know about the pros of a character will come and bash me for giving out incomplete info and remember me as 'the guy who gives half-***** replies'... I don't want people to know me like that. D:
When I think about characters I only think about their pros. For example, the first pro that comes to mind when I think of Meta Knight is Mew2King.
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