The Official Falco Critique Thread

[Jon?]

The only big issue I saw was that you would phantasm when Peach was standing in the middle of FD. You should just continue to shoot lasers till she gets close to you.

It can be very easy to punish you if the opponent shields your phantasm since you'll land right behind them.

 

[Bloodcross]

Yeah this aint helping I'll just throw johns now ^_^

 

[DEHF]

Jon, you could've jump out of his chain grab last stock. if Pikachu grabs you at 19% and d throws Falco is able to foot stool out of it =(.

Based on watching your match it seemed like the Pikachu didn't really know how to fight Falco that well except that he could do the chain grab. You shouldn't really jump into pikachu that much since his d smash can punish air dodges well and he could grab you, but he didn't really punish it so it was good to use in that case. He didn't really know how to fight against Falco's close range game which is what gave you such a great lead. If you rewatch the match you start to lose the lead as soon as you start camping more.

Then you went Snake when he went Pit >_>

 

[SSSnake]

awesome match. never expected a shdl u-smash. also thought the texture hacks were cool.

 

[Jon?]

@Dehf: Thanks for the tips. I only went Snake the second match because I had tired johns at that moment of the tournament. To DI out of the CG at 19%, do I DI towards his head and jump?

 

[DEHF]

@Dehf: Thanks for the tips. I only went Snake the second match because I had tired johns at that moment of the tournament. To DI out of the CG at 19%, do I DI towards his head and jump?

No, just jump.

 

[DreadCthulhu]

No, just jump.

Hey man, any chance you want to help me with my falco a little bit, he needs some technical help I could use a couple pointers

EDIT: Anyone want to help me do some training? Pleeeeeeease :D

 

[SSSnake]

Hey man, any chance you want to help me with my falco a little bit, he needs some technical help I could use a couple pointers

EDIT: Anyone want to help me do some training? Pleeeeeeease :D

i might be able to help you. im not nearly as good as DEHF, but hes probably busy with other things.

 

[Viperdev]

If Pikachu grabs you at 19% and d throws Falco is able to foot stool out of it =(

Does that only work at 19%?

 

[dainbramage]

^any time before 22%

 

[DJ Arcatek]

Sup doods. Here are some vids of me vs. Anther. We messed around a couple of times, but for the most part, the friendlies are legit. It was online, but we had great connection. (Green). I've used Falco for a little over a year now, and I've placed decent at offline tourneys, but I just wanna hear your inputs on my style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLXms5F0ks&feature=related - Match 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19M_ivMEQ_k - Match 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP3tNieeqV0 - Match 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB2fyaiYeGQ&feature=channel - Match 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b6bvg2AjXk&feature=channel - Match 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btqf598WMaw - Match 6

CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is welcome. Keyword: Constructive.

 

[SSSnake]

on vid 1, dont start out doin a b unch of nairs for no reason. im not sure if you have a reason, i just didnt see one. and, when doing CGs, walk a little farther for more grabs.

 

[DJ Arcatek]

Nah, the nairs were just for randomness. And yeah, there was a little lag spike there when I was doing the CG so I didn't walk as far as I had planned lol. Thanks for the tips so far, though

 

[SSSnake]

oh, okay, ur welcome , oh, and in vid 6, you shoul probably not do as many phantasms, evin if you do land them... well they can easily punished.

 

[Arikie]

Its been a while but I'd like to get a couple critiques again if you guys don't mind. I'm going to a local this Saturday and I need all the advice I can get.

These are just friendlies so they aren't super competitive, so.... ya. also they are slightly old.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxojy6ZQhk siege marth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1p6STzgZGI siege marth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB7xsOlGiXk siege MK ( his MK was kinda sucky this round.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ErGzgsLuI siege GaW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ErGzgsLuI siege GaW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-eOOkrXGQ ignis rob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3OhgmEFZ8 pulse link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAq28ZE5Wso ninja link ( not ninjalink, just "ninja" that mains link.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7RKGGY0oU ninja-link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn_dXvfENb0 ignis MK

 

[PZ]

^any time before 22%

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225783
Fthrow<3

 

[DeTa]

Hey DJ Jack,
I watched match 6. You have a pretty good Falco. Something you should work on is utilizing grabs/laser, and your aerials more, particularly the b-air. I noticed you used f-air at random moments, and those can hurt your game when your opponent seizes the opportunity to punish you. Your DI is also really good.

 

[SSSnake]

yeah, the fair thing is only used when you know it will hit. it is VERY easily punished.

 

[swordsaint]

What are the latest videos of a top Falco (preferably DEHF/Larry) vs a top Snake?

 

[Attila_]

What are the latest videos of a top Falco (preferably DEHF/Larry) vs a top Snake?

which snake are you wanting to prepare for, scoot?

 

[swordsaint]

I'm wanting to prepare for Luke. He's been improving a fair bit lately, and while I've never lost to hiim, I think Business Time could give me a loss to him. I'm not FULLY confident in the Snake match up, especially with how Luke plays. His Snake's defensive nade gameplay is almost flawless.

 

[Attila_]

fly down to melbourne, stay at mine, and ill teach you the mu.

my nades > luke's nades

 

[Wulfy07]

Sup doods. Here are some vids of me vs. Anther. We messed around a couple of times, but for the most part, the friendlies are legit. It was online, but we had great connection. (Green). I've used Falco for a little over a year now, and I've placed decent at offline tourneys, but I just wanna hear your inputs on my style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLXms5F0ks&feature=related - Match 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19M_ivMEQ_k - Match 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP3tNieeqV0 - Match 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB2fyaiYeGQ&feature=channel - Match 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b6bvg2AjXk&feature=channel - Match 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btqf598WMaw - Match 6

CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is welcome. Keyword: Constructive.

Wall jump on Yoshi's island. It increases our vertical recovery to the point that if you die from the bottom of the screen while close to the stage, you really screwed up.

 

[Keitaro]

What are the latest videos of a top Falco (preferably DEHF/Larry) vs a top Snake?

Larry's second set vs Ally on youtube is your best bet if you haven't already seen it.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

These were practice sets. Serious counter picking, stages, etc. but we were all laughing and having a good time while playing.

MetalMusicMan vs Nicole(Ironboots33) - Peach

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHq-zwYBT-M
2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK1eOLH9-70

I was pretty demoralized after the first match, hahaha. Normally our matches are close but I win... that first game loss was just too irritating. I didn't DI because I thought she was dead-- stupid mistake, haha. Tips appreciated.

 

[Choice]

whoops i meant to post these in here:
vs. Junk (DDD) [F]
vs. Junk (DDD) [F]
vs. Junk (Marth) [F]
vs. Junk (Marth) [F]

 

[SSSnake]

any links to the vids?

 

[Choice]

wow sorry >.<

friendlies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlBcGgyBVtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4rsHvpPTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHdMQ41sJNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDktJIj1sF8

neither of those were a set and i know i was playing kinda aggressive (and maybe stupid) at all times, but it was late at night, i had 2 finals that day and 2 finals the next, etc.

all the same, i think theres still bad habits and bad punishes or bad anything in those vids like i noticed i tech roll forward a lot when i'm knocked away and jump right back into the ****. kk thanks.

i'd appreciate also maybe suggestions for smarter/safer ways to be aggressive/offensive caz i think thats one thing i need to work a lot on with falco.

--i posted that all in the wrong video thread and then thought yea never mind >.< i'm bad at computers or somethin.

 

[SSSnake]

oh thanks (: pretty good, but, when you are off the stage, and the opponent is near the ledge, NEVER use the phantasm. the will ledgeguard you and you will die. this is what falco fire is for (because phantasm is arguably better)

 

[Choice]

like can you tell me specifically in which video i do it and at what time? thanks in advance.

 

[SSSnake]

first vid around 0:25

 

[swordsaint]

Game one - 0:12 - You missed an easy grab when you up aired your shield.

It's more beneficial to dair a grounded enemy than to back air them. You did it when Dedede had to up b to the stage. You baired his superarmour then baired him on the ground. A dair would've gained you more imo.

Anyway, most of your damage came because you were approaching him. Seriously, don't approach Dedede, he eats lasers for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And when he gets close, phantasm mix ups and jabs just DESTROY him, because he has to go through it all again. On the first transformation of Castle Siege, you should be camping the left, lower side under the platform.

You did badly whenever you tried to attack him in the air, and its because you jumped in to his attacks. You didn't bait anything for an easy punish. I would've liked to see you land more chain grabs as well.

Against Marth, you need to work on your chain grab. Laser's aren't as useful here against a grounded Marth so you should cut back on them, I think you did well with that. Lasers are best used on Marth when he's jumping around. So wait for that because you start shooting off. (lol)

Your Falco's good, just stop approaching so much. =/

 

[Choice]

yea i promise i dont approach so much normally. it was just late at night and i had finals the next day so i didn't really want to spend time camping and just wanted to attack stuff xD and honestly i think my offensive game is the part that needs the most work, i kinda stink at approaching if you ask me, so it makes sense to me to practice it in friendlies.

first match:
@0:12-yea that was an easy grab, missed and i guess even though there would have not been any big reward, it would at least put me into a better position. i'll be sure to look for those grabs.
@0:25-haha oh that yea, up b would have definitely been the better option even if it resulted in me getting bair'd a couple times. if their invincibility is gone though, that would have spiked, right?

-i'll spend some time today working on the cg again.
-dont shoot many lasers if marth is grounded.
-camp on the left side of CS
-bait and then punish d3's aerials when he's in the air.
-dair d3 if i cant fsmash him after his up b (fsmash is what i normally go for if he lands)
another thing i was doing in some of the matches that werent put up was getting above d3 and then spiking him when he's trying to do his platform camp, and even though it did lead to some good situations i think i personally would rather just laser from afar, since its safer. what do you guys think about that?

thanks for the help.

 

[swordsaint]

Hmmm. It's only an idea, but would down smashing work better as a punish when he finishes his up b? It'd send him kind of downward and since he's heavy and has small jumps, it could put him in a bad spot. I'm not 100% sure though, only thinking out loud.

another thing i was doing in some of the matches that werent put up was getting above d3 and then spiking him when he's trying to do his platform camp, and even though it did lead to some good situations i think i personally would rather just laser from afar, since its safer. what do you guys think about that?

It all really depends on percentages. You don't want to be approaching and attacking when it's unsafe if you're winning, that's not to say you can't apply pressure when you actually land an attack.

 

[Arikie]

CRITIQUE PLEASE

I'm looking for critiques on some friendly matches. there all friendlies sorry.
I'm trying to get ready for a tournament on the 22nd.

IKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wwOSGzvSY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OaRcLwOqyI

SNAKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVD1vCa1bCk

MARTH (slightly old )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1p6STzgZGI

CRITIQUE PLEASE

 

[swordsaint]

Arikie, just a few things;
Ike

Don't firebird so unnecessarily to the edge all the time, if at any stage he grabbed the ledge, you would've died.

Seriously, this Match up is so easy because of the characters. Stop approaching him, and just camp, he has a difficult time because of his size and speed.

Don't play with an Ike when he's low off stage. You don't want an Aether in your face. Instead, stay on the ledge, and wait for him to Aether. Roll away when he does this. Keep trying to bait it, and after his limit of 3 he'll be forced to get up, so keep an eye out. He's very easy to keep on a ledge or punish him for getting up.

What happened at about 45 seconds in the first game? You screwed up your chain grab, lol!

Whenever you recovered, you had a habit of always recovering with phantasm up high.

At about 1:34, if you're going to recover and land on the stage like that, it's always good to cover yourself with a laser as you land.

Game 2

For serious. Stop screwing up the cg. XD

Walking cg. Running cg is unsafe. (Tripping)

Most of your SHDL's were shot high. You need to shoot one high and one lower for it be effective most of the time. The exception being when they're in the air or standing on a platform.

Snake

If you have Snake on the edge with a grab, it can sometimes be better to just release him there by pummeling. It puts him in a TERRIBLE position. If he's low enough to be dthrow > dair do that instead though.

How did you lose? Rofl.

Marth

Stop approaching dude. =/ If the Marth had any idea of Falco he would've loved you so much.

 

[Choice]

Hmmm. It's only an idea, but would down smashing work better as a punish when he finishes his up b? It'd send him kind of downward and since he's heavy and has small jumps, it could put him in a bad spot. I'm not 100% sure though, only thinking out loud.

i guess if you dont have the time for the fsmash, dsmash would be good. i think fsmash sends them out at a decent trajectory and then lasers+bair force him to recover low anyways. i'll try this out next time i practice with junk.

 

[swordsaint]

Yeah don't take my word for it in a tournament match. That'd be silly.

 

[Arikie]

Arikie, just a few things;
Ike

Don't firebird so unnecessarily to the edge all the time, if at any stage he grabbed the ledge, you would've died.

Seriously, this Match up is so easy because of the characters. Stop approaching him, and just camp, he has a difficult time because of his size and speed.

Don't play with an Ike when he's low off stage. You don't want an Aether in your face. Instead, stay on the ledge, and wait for him to Aether. Roll away when he does this. Keep trying to bait it, and after his limit of 3 he'll be forced to get up, so keep an eye out. He's very easy to keep on a ledge or punish him for getting up.

What happened at about 45 seconds in the first game? You screwed up your chain grab, lol!

Whenever you recovered, you had a habit of always recovering with phantasm up high.

At about 1:34, if you're going to recover and land on the stage like that, it's always good to cover yourself with a laser as you land.

Game 2

For serious. Stop screwing up the cg. XD

Walking cg. Running cg is unsafe. (Tripping)

Most of your SHDL's were shot high. You need to shoot one high and one lower for it be effective most of the time. The exception being when they're in the air or standing on a platform.

Snake

If you have Snake on the edge with a grab, it can sometimes be better to just release him there by pummeling. It puts him in a TERRIBLE position. If he's low enough to be dthrow > dair do that instead though.

How did you lose? Rofl.

Marth

Stop approaching dude. =/ If the Marth had any idea of Falco he would've loved you so much.

Thanks, some of the mistakes like using firebird or missing the cg arent the normal for me. I really appreciate the matchup advice.

 

[Yung Mei]

if i posted a match and i wanted to get critiqued, what would be the chances of it getting critiqued by a well know player such as DEHF?