The Metal Discussion (Come in here for the chugga chuzz of the br00tal metal)

[Geenareeno]

Thought some of you might be interested in this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh8aOkrK4eY

 

[Vermanubis]

Don't know if any of you guys are Necrophagist fans, but I'm working on a cover of Culinary Hyperversity off of their Onset of Putrefaction album. Here's what I got so far:

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Quality on the full cover's gonna be much better though, and not done on an iPod lol.

 

[Rubyiris]

Here's a question for the metal fans: Why do so many people out there say that the low frequencies are important for metal? The more I learn about sound science, the more I realize that what's actually more important for metal are the mids (unless you listen to drone, sludge, funeral doom, for example.)

The crunch of a palm mute happens around 2khz. The sensation of punch, and impact happens between 500hz and 800hz. Most male vocalsts are in this range as well. The bass guitar is also in this range, too.

The times I've had V-shaped, and U-shaped headphones, I couldn't stand listening to the majority of my discography. Power metal, techdeath, and black metal sounded god-awful. instruments disappeared in to the mix. there was close to no separation, and the drivers usually weren't capable of keeping up with bands like Origin, Ever Forthright, Rhapsody, Catamenia, Necrophagist, etc.

 

[Wretched]

Because 18.9hz is a frequency that causes nausea, fear, sweating, and hallucinations. It is the reason that people see "ghosts" and places are "haunted"

Undeniably, a theme carried throughout all metal is a need to create aggressive sounding, evil tone. It makes sense that the lower frequencies are integral to the structure of the music.

 

[Luigitoilet]

you wouldn't believe the amount of metal/core bands that think that metal tone is defined by scooped mids. You dummies! Mids are by far the most important part of metal guitar tone, they are the volume and presence of the tone. A ton of bands boost the lows and high which is dumb. Unless there's no bassist, you're going to be fighting in the same frequency range of the bass and just muddying the sound of everything else, and your higher pitch tones become shrill and thin and terrible sounding.

I don't know jack**** about recording and mastering though.

 

[Rubyiris]

I listen to metal for the wrong reasons, then.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I don't think metal is necesarily "evil". if I had to define all metal in one word it would probably be "intense". but that doesn't account for a lot of subgenres.

 

[Rubyiris]

Lt, you're my new best friend.

 

[The Ben]

Here's a question for the metal fans: Why do so many people out there say that the low frequencies are important for metal? The more I learn about sound science, the more I realize that what's actually more important for metal are the mids (unless you listen to drone, sludge, funeral doom, for example.)

They're not that important to metal as a whole, but the sub-genres where it is important tend to be my favorites. Doom, sludge, drone, and post-metal are vastly underrated.

 

[Rubyiris]

My favorites are definitely more mid-centric since I'm a ****** and listen to power metal, mostly.

I harbor an extreme hatred for people who don't acknowledge subgenres.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I acknowledge them. I just don't always like them.

 

[Rubyiris]

There's no such thing as just "metal." <_<

 

[Zwarm]

I'm really technical with genres. I mainly listen to progressive death, melodic death/black, and doom. They're all completely different things, and generalizing it bugs me to no end.

I also hate it when people call my music "screamo"

 

[Veetaak]

I also hate it when people call my music "screamo"

haha, that's the worst.

 

[Luigitoilet]

The only use genre labels have is to describe an artist to someone who hasn't heard them or someone who is looking for a specific sound. Besides that, genres and subgenres can go **** themselves. People crying over how someone called their crabcore cybergrind goreporn sludge band "metal" never fails to make me laugh. Who the hell cares? the music remains the same no matter what dumb label you choose to put on it. I mean I use genre labels and all but it's so such a tiny little insignificant thing that it really has nothing to do with the music itself.

anyways, I had a really terrible panic attack last night and I blasted Pianos Become the Teeth until I cried and felt a little better

post-rock/screamo

http://youtu.be/R-MIYS-LS_g

http://youtu.be/Yq6jemERSQs

"all we have is letting sleeping dogs lay. your face lit up and for once I enjoyed where I was. the truth is jade plants die. the truth is muscles atrophy- softening your skin and hardening mine"

this band's music and lyrics are really close to me. there are only a handful of groups that can really yank my heartstrings like Pianos

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I've never listened. I should check it out when I'm outta class.

 

[Vermanubis]

There's no such thing as just "metal." <_<

There technically is, but some folks obsess over genre to a point where the pioneers get obscured. Among the post-thrash-blackened-death-progressive-tech-jazz-metal, there're the originals.

Spoiler

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Also, interestingly enough, pretty much every genre has a list as long as your arm of subgenres. Flamenco, for example, has different Palos (genres/subsets), such as compas, bulerias, etc. Classical has waltzes, allemandes, minuets, sarabandes, gigas, etc.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

crabcore cybergrind goreporn sludge band

hahahaha


I can appreciate the specification in order to make it easier to find things I know I already like, but yeah ^that's just like

 

[Veetaak]

Crabcore goreporn sounds cool, it should definitely be a thing, haha

 

[Rubyiris]

Priest is nwobhm.

Subgenres are important because of the differences from band to band, from region, to region. I don't care if it makes me pretentious, but as a music lover, and an audiophile, I care to know the subtle differences.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

crabcore cybergrind goreporn sludge band

Reminds me of this band I found that called themselves "new wave post-hard rock christian metal glam"

 

[Vermanubis]

Priest is nwobhm.

Subgenres are important because of the differences from band to band, from region, to region. I don't care if it makes me pretentious, but as a music lover, and an audiophile, I care to know the subtle differences.

Priest in the Sad Wings era can't be nwobhm, primarily because nwobhm, as the name implies, was new. It was a movement in the mid-late '70s, whereas Priest formed in '69. Priest later entered the nwobhm scene, but from Rocka Rolla to Stained Class were traditional metal.

As a music lover myself, I can agree that subgenres are very important. As far as knowing the properties of a given genre, that's more the territory of music theory. Delineating between bulerias and compas in flamenco would require the recognition of minor tonality rather than major, so if you're really interested in it, music theory would be a concrete addition to anyone's studies.

 

[JavaCroc]

I know most people on this thread probably don't listen to this kind of stuff, but this thread needs a good dose of black metal.

Obtained Enslavement - Veils of Wintersorrow

Meadow in Silence - From Darkness Within

Vahrzaw - Memorial Ashes (My current personal favorite BM song)

Ironically enough, I'm Christian.

And now, back to more normal metal territory, with clean and awesome power metal:

Axenstar - Far from Heaven

 

[DerpDaBerp]

ha, no need to seperate black metal from "normal metal territory"

I can't say I like much black metal, but I do tend to enjoy myself somewhat when Dimmu Borgir comes up on my manager's shuffle at work

 

[Geist]

I prefer the naturalistic themed black metal more than the satanic themed stuff. Like WitTR or Alcest. Satanic BM always seems to be trying so hard. *shrug*

 

[Luigitoilet]

I almost never pay attention to metal lyrics. I just like the sound of most black metal regardless of if they are singing about **** and murder or pixies and lord of the rings

 

[Rubyiris]

^Pretty much this.

@Tommy: Ugh @ Dimmu. Can't stand them. :<

Also, I'm a ****** and like black metal with good production quality. kvlt can go **** itself. Abigail Williams/Chthonic/Woods of Desolation/etc are wonderful.

Also, atmospheric black metal for the win.

 

[Zwarm]

Abigail Williams <3

 

[Rubyiris]

Procession of The Aeons is best song.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

@Tommy: Ugh @ Dimmu. Can't stand them. :<

really? huh. I mean like I said, I don't really like bm in general, so I might dissent from the norm with the few that I do :/

 

[Geist]

I almost never pay attention to metal lyrics. I just like the sound of most black metal regardless of if they are singing about **** and murder or pixies and lord of the rings

Naw for the most part lyrics don't have much to do with what I like, it just so happens that the naturalistic stuff seems to hit more of the musical marks that I prefer.
Either way, BM mixes with other genres really nice I find.

 

[Rubyiris]

Melodic black metal is awesome. Check out catamenia.

 

[Zwarm]

Procession of The Aeons is best song.

What a good song. I love all of Legends though.

My favorite song by them right now is probably Final Destiny of the Gods

 

[The Ben]

New Panopticon album rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO2CUheXMfs

 

[missedwithtruestrike]

metal... i love it!
Venom?
Amon amarth?
Bathory?
my favorite, Slayer!
Ensiferum, Corrosion of Conformity...
just too many to name.

 

[Rubyiris]

Has anyone tried listening to Catamenia at all? >_>

 

[Vermanubis]

metal... i love it!
Venom?
Amon amarth?
Bathory?
my favorite, Slayer!
Ensiferum, Corrosion of Conformity...
just too many to name.

Not that there's anything wrong with listening to extremely obscure bands, but it's nice to see someone actually make mention of a few classics in here for once.

 

[missedwithtruestrike]

Not that there's anything wrong with listening to extremely obscure bands, but it's nice to see someone actually make mention of a few classics in here for once.

thanks man!
i could go on for days about just the metal i love ( not mentioning other genres)
who can forget stuff like dio, or MANOWAR! theres always maiden, and priest. lets not leave out motorhead, or a newer love of mine, gama bomb.

edit: i cant believe i went 2 posts in a metal thread without mentioning Overkill
im ashamed of myself/

 

[Vermanubis]

There technically is, but some folks obsess over genre to a point where the pioneers get obscured. Among the post-thrash-blackened-death-progressive-tech-jazz-metal, there're the originals.

Spoiler

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Also, interestingly enough, pretty much every genre has a list as long as your arm of subgenres. Flamenco, for example, has different Palos (genres/subsets), such as compas, bulerias, etc. Classical has waltzes, allemandes, minuets, sarabandes, gigas, etc.

Here's a post I made a few days back. Not too many people seemed to be taken with it, but I figure you might.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I never listened to much older metal.

I just kind of grew into the ciontemportary metal we have goin' on right now, ie All That Remains, Trivium etc.

But thats mostly cause i wasn't introduced to it.