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I no longer trust Mew2King's opinions when it comes to such things, primarily because he has proven himself to be extremely biased in the past when it comes to anything involving Meta Knight.
*Bursts into flames.*
You can test the theory for yourself because it does work very well. Disreguard any of his 'opinions' and look at only the facts stated in the thread.
I didn't read your whole post. Sorry, I was in a hurry to post. But let's say two people are playing under perfect conditions, some characters are better than others. Just because you know something doesn't mean you have the tools to deal with it. If both players are playing to the highest degree, then the match-up is no longer base on the players themselves but the tools they have.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this would beat everything else... *sigh* Meta wins again.
Isn't that the definition of a Tier list?
You forgot Rob lasering you from the other side of FD isn't punishable in 3 frames.
True, that's what a tier list is. But as you can see from the Olimar boards, certain tools are only benifical under certain conditions which cannot normally be met, like perfect conditions, which is why we ask these hyptheticals.
DDD is a fgt. Other than him, MK, and very occasionally Marth, though, nobody really should be outright gimping Lucario. :\
Aura hitboxes have laser priority. Hitting the hands is a different story and follows normal priority rules.
My Mario does it all the time to a few Lucarios in my group...though to be fair, they aren't top-level Lucarios :X
not really. there is wolf's shine, which does similar things. however, if IDC and shine were banned, ICs were have a good chance at being great. there would be awesome desync combo plus a awesome grab game.
Mario can cape Lucario, plus FIHL stops all of Lucario's atks. Also, it seems that cape teleportation can be done to everyone just it's harder to time on some characters than others.
The thing is that even if the game ran on 1 frame, the moves themselves would still have the given starting lag, the lazers would be just as ineffective because of the superhuman reflexes to jump, backdodge, or otherwise get past the projectiles
Here is some better advice, you shut up. It is fact that MK is the 'best' character, he wins more times then any character. How would this fact change by adding a perfect host controling him?
Those Godly Pikmen of yours can be killed by the Nair, problem one solved.
Olimar does outcamp Rob. however, thanks to Rob's great air game, Olimar isn't the perfect canidate.
As well as Olimar, he cannot play like Marth, Mario, or Snake. What's your point?
And what are the tools?
It's a unwinnable game then.
why cant it hit MK? unless its hyrule temple and MK's running/flying around, pikmin are probably gonna hit if olimars pikmin spamming.
Right, so I guess you're going to complete ignore the fact that the game itself has limits. Reguardless of your reflexes, you cannot dodge everything because your character is unable to. Let's not forget this game also has a "trip" function which will slip anyone up. Your argument is lost and it's not worth debating anymore.
Why is Meta Knight the best character? Are you slob who just listens to what's posted without actually testing or are you someone, like myself, who tests things to be sure the accurate? Meta Knight is the best because of the tools he has given the situations he's put in. This is why some characters are harder to learn that others because their tools are not as easily recognized and require a greater degree of skill to use correct and gain advantage from them. Why don't you look at Snake for an example of such a character. When a Snake player wins, he deserves it.
You obviously don't main R.O.B., or Olimar, and if you do you obviously suck at them because this is completely incorrect. Nair off my Pikmin and you'll get hit with 40-52% of damage from a grab combo.
This battle should never take place in the air, a good Olimar will make sure of that. The only thing R.O.B. can juggle Olimar with would be Fair which should be Whistled and punished. Anything else has too much knockback or lags before it actually comes out (Bair and Nair), anything else is too impractical to consider all that useful.
Don't quote me unless you grasp what the hell I'm putting out there. R.O.B. is a character who has to be played against different by Olimar. All other characters can be played the same and you'll get just about the same results. At the current highest level of play for Olimar, called perfect camping, you will yield the same results no matter who you use it against - a win, except R.O.B., you have to play him differently.
Please explain to me how Olimar's Pikmin would not reach Meta Knight. You'll have to swat them and get punished, it's a fact.
Please don't be a heroic smart ***, because you're becoming more irritating by the word. The tools a character has are: Spacing, zoning, mobility, and kill potential. Why else would Snake and Marth be even when Snake clearly has more options?
You forgot to set Point b at MK silly.
Its like, banned.
You are forgetting Diddy. Diddy can punish regardless of perfect DI due to his bananas. He can punish every character and still have the advantage of DI-ing. Diddy is the best when played perfectly.
Within a game there are patterns, algorythims, and basic princibles that can be done, by using these keys. I can fully understand how to react to a given situation.
Can't a character catch all the bananas?
Duh, its just that Olimars have better patterns and stuff.
Well, Melee was just a faster pace of chess.
It's banned for stalling, but a perfect condition character face off would devoid to stalling, so what does it matter?
Nah, the two wouldn't have any common pieces, they're completely different.
Cuz our camping is legit and it misleads the opponent into thinking they have a chance, so they fight until they lose.
