The 2006-2008 Tier list

[Kyu Puff]

*whirlwind*

Jolteon > Vaporeon/Umbreon > Glaceon > the rest (including Leafeon)

Marth > Falco
Marth > Peach
Marth > Ice Climbers
Marth = Fox
Marth = Falcon
Marth < Sheik

Sheik < Ice Climbers

 

[Hax]

fox
marth
sheik
falco
peach

 

[Eggm]

Going by potential hax's list is right. Going by tournament results you have to switch marth for fox and then its right.

Falcos bad matchups are honestly only marth/samus. I tthink if you play right he goes even with peach/jiggs/ic's, they are just weird and since they are even and most people don't know how to play the matchups it looks like **** in those 3 chars favor. I think falco either goes even or has an advantage on any character but samus/marth.

 

[slikvik]

jiggs and falcon are better than peach

 

[Aesir]

Lol @ listing top professionals and thinking you're proving a point.

******.

The reason why people think marth is god is because m2k is just to ****ing good. /end.

 

[Eggm]

Does anyone else have an extra page that doesn't exist only while looking @ this thread?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Why are you people still discussing Melee's tier list?

 

[Vts]

Why are you people still discussing Melee's tier list?

cus melee will never die.....never!!!!

plus its always good to argue about something and well tier list is a great thing to do that with.

my tier list is something like


Marth/fox
Shiek
Falco
Falcon
Peach/Ice climbers /Jigs

its really hard to pick between jig/peach/ic's for that spot cus they all are about the same on combos/recovery but jigs might be above that.

And fox/marth are the best, fox if you are a robot (not m2k robot but a real robot) and marth if your not :D

and shiek is just gay (maybe in a good way ^^) and that spot is for her/it

 

[metaXzero]

^Their's still tournaments aren't there?

EDIT: DANG IT Vts!

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Why are you people still discussing Melee's tier list?

Would you rather talk about Brawl, Buzz?

Honestly.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Aesir]

Whats brawl?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

LOL!

Brawl population > Melee population

Brawl's population is growing.
Melee's population is shrinking.

Melee is approaching 7 years old. The tiers are essentially immovable since all the champions are gone.

 

[w!zard]

quality>quantity

besides, the list still needs work. a lot has changed since 2006

 

[Smooth Criminal]

LOL!

Brawl population > Melee population

Brawl's population is growing.
Melee's population is shrinking.

Melee is approaching 7 years old. The tiers are essentially immovable since all the champions are gone.

>__>

Sheesh, Buzz. You're such a killjoy.

And LOL@Aesir.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Pink Reaper]

Does anyone else have an extra page that doesn't exist only while looking @ this thread?

Oh thank god, i was afraid i had gone crazy.

@Buzz: There's still tier discussion going on in the SSB room, why would it surprise you to see it happening for melee?

 

[Xiivi]

Does anyone else have an extra page that doesn't exist only while looking @ this thread?

Bugs the hell out of me too.

On topic: Fox, Marth; Sheik, Falco; Peach; etc...

 

[Aesir]

LOL!

Brawl population > Melee population

Brawl's population is growing.
Melee's population is shrinking.

Melee is approaching 7 years old. The tiers are essentially immovable since all the champions are gone.

yeah because when the masses believe something is better it totally makes it true right?

 

[Fletch]

LOL @ the above post.

Marth and Fox is slightly in favor of Marth.

Marth destroys Falco.

Shiek barely beats Marth.

Fox and Shiek are even.

Falco barely beats Shiek.

Falco beats Fox.

Judgeing by that: top tier is Marth.

Then Fox/Shiek/Falco.

Falco can still compete, he just loses to Jiggs and Peach.

I like this.

 

[Dastrn]

LOL @ the above post.

Marth and Fox is slightly in favor of Marth.

Marth destroys Falco.

Shiek barely beats Marth.

Fox and Shiek are even.

Falco barely beats Shiek.

Falco beats Fox.

Judgeing by that: top tier is Marth.

Then Fox/Shiek/Falco.

Falco can still compete, he just loses to Jiggs and Peach.

Aren't you the same person who is saying, essentially, TR4Q in the brawl tier list thread?

 

[Fletch]

LOL @ the above post.

Marth and Fox is slightly in favor of Marth.

Marth destroys Falco.

Shiek barely beats Marth.

Fox and Shiek are even.

Falco barely beats Shiek.

Falco beats Fox.

Judgeing by that: top tier is Marth.

Then Fox/Shiek/Falco.

Falco can still compete, he just loses to Jiggs and Peach.

I like this.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

yeah because when the masses believe something is better it totally makes it true right?

You're missing the point. Even if Melee were the greatest game on earth and Brawl were the worst, it's a blatant fact that Melee's core community is essentially gone. What good is the "best game on earth" if only 11 people play it anymore?

I was sad when Blizzard pulled Diablo 1 off Battle.net. T_T

 

[Magus420]

I wouldn't speak for everywhere when you say the Brawl community is growing and Melee shrinking. If anything the reverse is kind of the case in the NJ area over the last few months compared to the period after Brawl's release, lol.

 

[Aesir]

You're missing the point. Even if Melee were the greatest game on earth and Brawl were the worst, it's a blatant fact that Melee's core community is essentially gone. What good is the "best game on earth" if only 11 people play it anymore?

Horrible argument lol.

NE and tri-state are more melee then brawl now, I think a good majority of the south is sticking with melee.

Most pros will play melee if they can.

The only reason to play brawl is for money. Unless you're one of those rare guys who actually find the game enjoyable.

 

[RDK]

You're missing the point. Even if Melee were the greatest game on earth and Brawl were the worst, it's a blatant fact that Melee's core community is essentially gone. What good is the "best game on earth" if only 11 people play it anymore?

I was sad when Blizzard pulled Diablo 1 off Battle.net. T_T

The amount of people playing a game is in no way related to how good the game is. That's a ridiculous statement.

You'll be hard pressed to find people who still play Diablo, but it was still a ****ing amazing game.

Don't do things based on other people. Do things because you enjoy them.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

The amount of people playing a game is in no way related to how good the game is. That's a ridiculous statement.

You'll be hard pressed to find people who still play Diablo, but it was still a ****ing amazing game.

Don't do things based on other people. Do things because you enjoy them.

Did I make any comment anywhere about Brawl being better than Melee?

I just play Brawl because no one plays Melee around here anymore. Even that is beside the point; my point was that Melee tiers are not going to change. The tier list is finalized since the core community is gone.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Lol @ listing top professionals and thinking you're proving a point.

******.

The reason why people think marth is god is because m2k is just to ****ing good. /end.

1. I thought we were friends because we both liked Xenogears.

2. The reason why people think Marth is god is because arguably the 3 best players in the world, Ken, Azen, M2K all use Marth. And no, I don't think Marth is god because M2K is good. If he used Fox all the time he would do worse than with Marth. It's already happened. Open your eyes, ******.

 

[Aesir]

1. I thought we were friends because we both liked Xenogears.

2. The reason why people think Marth is god is because arguably the 3 best players in the world, Ken, Azen, M2K all use Marth. And no, I don't think Marth is god because M2K is good. If he used Fox all the time he would do worse than with Marth. It's already happened. Open your eyes, ******.

1. we are.

2. Azen isn't a very technical person to begin with, he also can win with any character so it's kind of an irrelevant point.

Ken hasn't won a legit tourney since 06

M2k is just to ****ing good. If he had a controller he felt comfortable playing fox with he would probably be using fox.

 

[Tom]

Even that is beside the point; my point was that Melee tiers are not going to change. The tier list is finalized since the core community is gone.

But for how long? For those that think Melee is so much better of a game than Brawl, the 'core community' might not be long gone. A large amount of pro-level players still play the game, tournaments are hosted on the regional and national levels, communities are still thriving post-Brawl.

I'm sort of hard-pressed to think of pros that wouldn't go to a national tournament anymore, besides mebbe el chocolate diablo and a handful of the cok? And there are a lot of players that weren't considered pros two years ago that frequent tournaments now, and its not because they took the spots of others.

 

[Dastrn]

yeah because when the masses believe something is better it totally makes it true right?

The point is that since no one is playing Melee anymore, the high level gameplay is not being developed by even 1/10th of the players that used to push it constantly, and therefore nothing will really change enough to effect tiers past what was being done this winter.

Marth is best, then Fox, then Shiek and Falco are tied for 3rd.

None of that will change from here until eternity because no one is playing Melee at a high enough level to learn something new.

 

[RDK]

I think people play Brawl because it's shiny and new, but that will wear off after a while. As a competitive community, I think we'll ultimately migrate back to Melee (or at least the people who care).

Also, Tom is a cat.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I think people play Brawl because it's shiny and new, but that will wear off after a while. As a competitive community, I think we'll ultimately migrate back to Melee (or at least the people who care).

Also, Tom is a cat.

I agree that Melee is more competitive at heart... but my observation is that people will drop smash entirely before reverting back to a community that is vanishing rapidly.

Also, I should probably clarify that "core community" includes the SBR (who will not be making more Melee tier lists) and many of the top players.

 

[Pink Reaper]

But for how long? For those that think Melee is so much better of a game than Brawl, the 'core community' might not be long gone. A large amount of pro-level players still play the game, tournaments are hosted on the regional and national levels, communities are still thriving post-Brawl.

I'm sort of hard-pressed to think of pros that wouldn't go to a national tournament anymore, besides mebbe el chocolate diablo and a handful of the cok? And there are a lot of players that weren't considered pros two years ago that frequent tournaments now, and its not because they took the spots of others.

lol, Isai showed up to Zhu's tourney at his house yesterday just so he could hang out and ended up playing in doubles(and then proceeded to pull out an N64 and 10 stock some kids at SSB) Not a huge amount of people actually stopped playing melee, they're just more active in the brawl community.

Edit:

Also, I should probably clarify that "core community" includes the SBR (who will not be making more Melee tier lists) and many of the top players.

The SBR doesn't care about Melee anymore because the SBR is only adding Brawl Players at this point. Of course they're going to talk more about Brawl, they're almost exclusively brawl players.

Edit Again: Tom doesn't change names nearly enough.

Triple Edit: Maybe your thinking of Matt.Zeb's Ohana Tourney RDK

 

[RDK]

I agree that Melee is more competitive at heart... but my observation is that people will drop smash entirely before reverting back to a community that is vanishing rapidly.

I fail to see how this would be the case when the remedy is something as simple as deciding to host a Melee tourney instead of a Brawl tourney.

Look at the wild popularity of the big Melee tournaments that have been hosted this past year. Over 100 people from around the States went to the GA tourney, and even more are planning on going to the one in MA. There's others, but I can't remember all of them at the moment.

Like I said--the people who really care about the competitive community will take the extra mile to attend Melee tourneys, if that's the way the community will eventually turn.

 

[Tom]

another regional to national level would be FAST that was held over summer in Florida.

and if the problem is that the SBR has unanimously decided that Melee can no longer change, then phooey, I require a better spokesperson than Buzz ;P and maybe get some new melee blood in there, like add Mango or Dashiz or Col Bol or LoZr or Jman and Hax or Scar >:O if the problem is that the sbr defines what will live and die then you need to change the sbr

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Breaking 100 for a Melee tournament isn't too impressive given that a recent SoCal event broke 300 players for a Brawl tournament. Melee is cool, but it is shrinking.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Breaking 100 for a Melee tournament isn't too impressive given that a recent SoCal event broke 300 players for a Brawl tournament. Melee is cool, but it is shrinking.

Yay SoCal?

The point is that neither game is going anywhere for a while, Buzz.

Smooth Criminal

 

[RDK]

Breaking 100 for a Melee tournament isn't too impressive given that a recent SoCal event broke 300 players for a Brawl tournament. Melee is cool, but it is shrinking.

All this shows is that the amount of Brawlf@gs in SoCal is disproportionate to the rest of the country.

Or that we're fvcked moreso than I thought.

Yay SoCal?

The point is that neither game is going anywhere for a while, Buzz.

Smooth Criminal

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[Tom]

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[Vts]

--Smooth Criminal.

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<dances> WOOOO

hmm tom what should i name my cat when i get her/him? was thinking purin >D

 

[Pink Reaper]

Axis was in NorCal, which happens to have the largest amount of Brawl players in the country. Had it been held anywhere else I can promise you the turnout would have been significantly smaller.