The 2006-2008 Tier list

[Pink Reaper]

Lets do this rationally shall we?
Top Tier:
Marth
Fox
Sheik
Falco
Peach

Upper Tier:
Falcon
Jiggs
IC's
Samus

Middle Tier:
Luigi
Gannon
DK
Link
Doc

Lower Tier:
Mario
Pikachu
Y.Link
G&W
Yoshi
Ness

Bottom Tier:
Roy
Zelda
Mewtwo
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu

Realistically I think this is somewhere around what the tier list should look like.

 

[boss8]

na dude mario is middle....not low...actually mario is top/high tier.....need vids??? click da sig....

 

[Pink Reaper]

Yeah no.

Spoiler

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[otg]

Ok, so evidently if you say the word "tiers" in the Melee boards your topic is going to get closed so let's discuss here shall we?

Reaper, you're nuts. Link, DK, Luigi and Ganon above the Marios? And than you put them in low tiers? No way dude, I think our 2006 tier list is correct minus a few things:

Move Marth to the top tier, Falco and Falcon into the high tier.
Move Jiggly above Doc (even though that matchup is in Doc's favor), and than move Luigi, DK and Link below Ganon in the mid tier.
Lastly, move G&W up a lil bit, and we're good.

People don't give the Mario's enough credit, but they are definitely in the right place. People say they haven't done well in tournies, but within the last 2 years I can think of a few Doc's who've placed in the top 5 at tournaments and you don't see Link or Ganon doing that. The only Luigi/Dk players you see doing ANYTHING are Bum and Ka-Master and there performance isn't enough to bump them up the tiers.

You could say the same thing about Mango and Jiggly, but I've always felt Jiggly should've been higher on the tiers.

 

[NJzFinest]

Hmm, let's see

Well, MK, then Snake, then that's about it that matters...

Oh wait, wrong game


/misses Melee

 

[Pink Reaper]

Ok, so evidently if you say the word "tiers" in the Melee boards your topic is going to get closed so let's discuss here shall we?

Reaper, you're nuts. Link, DK, Luigi and Ganon above the Marios? And than you put them in low tiers? No way dude, I think our 2006 tier list is correct minus a few things:

Move Marth to the top tier, Falco and Falcon into the high tier.
Move Jiggly above Doc (even though that matchup is in Doc's favor), and than move Luigi, DK and Link below Ganon in the mid tier.
Lastly, move G&W up a lil bit, and we're good.

People don't give the Mario's enough credit, but they are definitely in the right place. People say they haven't done well in tournies, but within the last 2 years I can think of a few Doc's who've placed in the top 5 at tournaments and you don't see Link or Ganon doing that. The only Luigi/Dk players you see doing ANYTHING are Bum and Ka-Master and there performance isn't enough to bump them up the tiers.

You could say the same thing about Mango and Jiggly, but I've always felt Jiggly should've been higher on the tiers.

I made my tier list to reflect how characters have been doing in tournaments, thats it. As of right now, Luigi, DK, Ganon and Link have all been seeing better placement and play in tournaments than the Marios. This game has been out for a long time, there's really no more room for "potential" in tier lists, especially since the Marios stopped evolving around 2 and a half years ago. Also, your not giving DK and Luigi enough credit. Before Brawl came out we had MEXICAN and ROFL over here on the west coast doing quite well with DK and Luigi respectively. Name me one player who's even come close to top 5 with Mario or Doc. ONE.

 

[Kyu Puff]

One of the major problems I have with your list is Doc being in a different tier than Mario. It doesn't matter if you're doing it by tournament placings (which would work if we got real numbers), because they are the same **** character. If anything he should be higher than Doc because of his superior juggling ability (which gives him a better matchup against fastfallers).

IC's should definitely be higher than Jiggs, and you should know why considering the list is based on tournament placings.

 

[boss8]

doc has more priority over spacies then mario but then again it depends on the player....mario is too good......

he can combo everyone but can't be comboed himself??? ****s broken...

 

[otg]

I made my tier list to reflect how characters have been doing in tournaments, thats it. As of right now, Luigi, DK, Ganon and Link have all been seeing better placement and play in tournaments than the Marios. This game has been out for a long time, there's really no more room for "potential" in tier lists, especially since the Marios stopped evolving around 2 and a half years ago. Also, your not giving DK and Luigi enough credit. Before Brawl came out we had MEXICAN and ROFL over here on the west coast doing quite well with DK and Luigi respectively. Name me one player who's even come close to top 5 with Mario or Doc. ONE.

Bob $ came in 3rd behind Ken/Isai (who split first) last year. Boss won a tournament a month or two ago using Doc solely (and no matter what you say Boss, anytime you switched to Mario you got worked, Doc >> Mario). There are just fewer people playing Mario's nowadays because of how dominant the Top Tiers have become, but that doesn't change there placement on the tiers. If everyone switched to Pichu and started winning tournies with him that wouldn't make him better than Fox.

 

[LOL_Master]

danblet head should be in first

 

[Pink Reaper]

Ok, so justification of not having Doc in the low tier. I never said Doc was low tier, I don't even see it as being impossible for him to win tourneys. But on average, Ganon, Link(mostly Skler) DK and Luigi players have been doing better than Doc and Mario players so I simply put them lower. Mario being in low tier is because of how poorly mario has done over the past few years, rarely if ever seeing the top 10 of MAJOR tournaments(20 person tourneys dont count unless all 20 people are M2K)

 

[LOL_Master]

what does the tier list really serve?

 

[4Serial]

everything in life

which is why there are so much haters

 

[LOL_Master]

ohhhh i understand now, im going to try to apply tier list in my personal life

 

[Xiivi]

You guys are taking things a bit too far. The tier list shouldn't change that much. The only things that really need to change are Falco, Marth, and Sheik rearranging themselves and Jigglypuff moving up. The metagame really hasn't evolved much to constitute any other changes.

Top Tier:
Fox
Marth

High Tier:
Sheik
Falco
Peach

Mid Tier:
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Jigglypuff
Doctor Mario
Mario
Ganondorf

Low Tier:
Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu

Bottom Tier:
Yoshi
Zelda
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo

 

[Scar]

The metagame really hasn't evolved much to constitute any other changes.

Not true. I honestly think it's foolish to not have the top 3 as sheik fox marth in their very own top tier, I think Jiggs and IC have always been too low, Samus has always been too high, Luigi and DK seriously need to move up, and there is a lot of talk about low tiers switching around.

 

[Iron Dragon]

Jiggs needs to be higher. Mango has showed that she's too good. Mewtwo is not the worst in the game, Taj has proven so =). I think Kirby is the worst nobody uses him, he doesn't really have anything good, etc.

I think Peach is better then Falco also. Falco just doesn't seem to be able to win as well as we'd all like.....

 

[StripesOrBars]

Kirby is definitely the worst.

The Backroom is full of n00bs, it's pretty obvious.

Fox on top?!?!

WTF it's all about Mario yo.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Kirby >>>>>>> Pichu

 

[otg]

Things Doc has over Mario:

- Lots of KO moves (Fsmash, Dsmash, Bair, Fair, Nair)
- Pills
- Cape is more effective at edgeguarding
- Speaking of which, Doc is better at edgeguarding (pills, bair, cape, vastly better sweetspot)
- Reliable Dthrow -> Fair on 95% of the cast
- Better Dtilt (just cause Mario's is complete garbage).
- Bair is amazing for edgeguarding.

Things Mario has over Doc:

- Bigger reach on Fsmash (needs to be sweetspot spotted however)
- Cape gives better aerial mobility
- Although many think Mario is a faster character overall, but only has three faster moves in general (Nair, Bair, Uair?) which are only a frame faster than Docs.
- Slightly better juggler in that Mario has a more reliable Utilt and Uair has less knockback than Doc's.
- Mario's recovery is slightly better than Doc's, even though it's still garbage.
- Bair is a decent KO move.

In the end it's up to personal choice, Doc can still SHBAWD despite the fact that Mario has 1 less frame of lag. Doc's better projectile, edgeguarding and kill moves are IMO a lot better than Mario's slight speed advantage, and longer reaching Fsmash. Mario has a harder time KOing, that's a pretty big flaw.

 

[StripesOrBars]

No one cares about Doc or Mario.

Why do Doc players always do that.

 

[otg]

No one cares about Doc or Mario.

Why do Doc players always do that.

ok, thats fine. Regardless of their tier position or your opinion of them, if you want to make a valid tier list you have to discuss everything and justify it. No one might care about them, but if you say Mario is better, examine their advantages and base your decision from there.

The remaining Melee players have a pretty solid consensus of the Top 5, so why not start examining who follows from there and why it would need to be changed?

 

[StripesOrBars]

I'm just kidding brah.

 

[Iron Dragon]

To Pink Reaper: No Pichu is better I think. he doesn't have a whole lot but he does have a chainthrow on space animals and that's pretty good.

 

[Pink Reaper]

No, no he doesn't. A good spacie will be able to escape a Utrow CG easily. And even if he could CG the spacies, so what, half of the **** roster can, hell, they can CG each other, its not that big of a deal. Pichu is not only the worst character in Melee, he's easily the worst character in any fighting game ever. He has zero good moves, he damages himself, hes light as ****, he has no range, he has the slowest/shortest tech in the game, and did I mention the fact that he hurts himself? Cus he does.

 

[StripesOrBars]

Actually a good Spacie can't escape the chain grab until a certain percent.

Kirby is the worst.

He has nothing good.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Because you just know soooo much about Kirby

 

[Winston]

Because you just know soooo much about Kirby

I think it's pretty common among knowledgeable kirbies to call kirby the worst character >.>

I remember t!mmy making that point repeatedly...

 

[Pink Reaper]

I think it's pretty common among knowledgeable kirbies to call kirby the worst character >.>

I remember t!mmy making that point repeatedly...

I can make the same comments about t0mmy, Taj and Gimpyfish. Im not saying Kirby is a good character, in fact I think he really should be one spot lower on the tier list, right above Pichu.

 

[Grunt]

Pichu is pretty suck.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Kirby is the worst.

He has nothing good.

oh, is it because he's Sakurai pet, or because you dislike him so much that he dispises you?

 

[otg]

After playing a good Kirby during the summer I can safely say he isn't the worst character in the game, he has a lot of interesting gimmicks but his flaws are so evident and he's easily camped.

Pichu might damage himself, but that's not such a big deal seeing as how most of his "good" moves don't damage himself. He's complete garbage, chainthrown 0-death by Sheik nuff said.

 

[KirbyKaze]

kirby terrible, pichu is terrible.

while it is true that pichu is easily death comboed, kirby lacks the ability to hit characters because of his terrible movement. they both have horrific flaws, whether being able to be cged to 60 and faired by sheik is worse than sheik running away for a minute or two spamming needles and higher priority aerials and eventually d-smashing/landing an aerial into a virtually inescapable edgeguard is worse is debatable.

personally i think kirby's noticeably worse recovery and terrible speed make him inferior to pichu by a slim margin. his moves are better, notably his u-tilt and bair, and his gimmicks are more novel (swallow) but on the whole his lack of guaranteed combos as a whole, terrible grab game (almost as good as brawl grabs), and horrible movement make him hideously underwhelming.

edit: pichu hitting himself is always over exaggerated when talking about how much it really counts for. his spammed moves don't really do much to him and jolt isn't bad; so long as you hit with one for every 5 you use you're still trading up on damage.

 

[Tee ay eye]

Jiggs needs to be higher. Mango has showed that she's too good. Mewtwo is not the worst in the game, Taj has proven so =). I think Kirby is the worst nobody uses him, he doesn't really have anything good, etc.

I think Peach is better then Falco also. Falco just doesn't seem to be able to win as well as we'd all like.....

Oh ****, I didn't know you played Melee haha.

I'd call you by your first name, but I don't know it. In fact, I just remember you because you're Sean's brother.

Erm, I kinda think Tony hasn't really proven Mewtwo isn't the worst... he just *****.

Actually, I take that back.

He kinda proves that Mewtwo isn't the ABSOLUTE worst.

But he still sucks.

 

[Pink Reaper]

kirby terrible, pichu is terrible.

while it is true that pichu is easily death comboed, kirby lacks the ability to hit characters because of his terrible movement. they both have horrific flaws, whether being able to be cged to 60 and faired by sheik is worse than sheik running away for a minute or two spamming needles and higher priority aerials and eventually d-smashing/landing an aerial into a virtually inescapable edgeguard is worse is debatable.

edit: pichu hitting himself is always over exaggerated when talking about how much it really counts for. his spammed moves don't really do much to him and jolt isn't bad; so long as you hit with one for every 5 you use you're still trading up on damage.

Pichu hitting himself is exaggerated but the fact is that it does hurt him quite a bit(no pun intended) The fact that he takes damage while recovering is horrible.

 

[KirbyKaze]

It hurts him, yes. But I still really think that Pichu's still probably more likely to make it back than Kirby is.

 

[Pink Reaper]

I think they're both equally unlikely to make it back as they're both so light, a light tap from a feather will send them quickly to their deaths. Besides, I thought you don't play Kirby KirbyKaze?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I actually used to main Kirby But then I realized he was horrible but I stubbornly stuck with him anyways. Around early 2007 I switched (I've actually played competitively for a while) to IC (Kirby secondary) and then went Sheik. So now you know more about me than you'd ever need to.

But in all seriousness I played Kirby vs N64's Pika for like 2 hours at the Gerogia tournament and only then did I realize that Kirby could feasibly be killed at 0 with edgeguarding (even with repeated teching, etc) if he's knocked off by random F-smash or whatnot whereas the Pikas seem to have a better recovery as a whole, what with their multiple angle options and (in Pichu's case) walljump gimmicks.

In short... I simply think Kirby's more gimpable. By a large margin. Pichu's easier to combo though and his tech is quite horrific.

 

[Pink Reaper]

there's also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4SjTp_U1A&feature=related

 

[KirbyKaze]

on the whole i think comparing a really high level professional like drephen to watty (who's a good samus, but not close to drephen) is somewhat of a slanted comparison. moreover, that match was a joke match... it even said so in the description >__>

although if vids are everything...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPtFaDHeiNQ