dudutsai
Smash Lord
I'll be training for the day. I will camp harder than ever, and the game will drag on to 8 minutes. Maybe I'll try not to get 3 stocked as well! 
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Stuff About Puff
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Let's have the first match (in a long time) that actually times out with both of us at 4 stock each on a neutral ^.^
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Have a double JV 5 stock.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Only if it's on Yoshi's Story.
Fletch
Smash Master
Has this ever happened?
dudutsai
Smash Lord
I shall practice s0fting for 30 min a day.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I'll charge my planker.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
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elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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I'd say Yoshi's Story. Maybe Green Greens.
idea
Smash Master
i don't think it's yoshi's, i've succesfully counterpicked that on foxes before. (easy to gimp/rest them there)
does jigglypuff even have bad stages O_O i've never thought to myself "dammit, not this one" before...
i guess foxes could camp you pretty well on pokefloats?
does jigglypuff even have bad stages O_O i've never thought to myself "dammit, not this one" before...
i guess foxes could camp you pretty well on pokefloats?
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Yoshi's is small, I figure, so you die easily. Green Greens for the same reason.
Tamoo
Smash Master
Well tournament legal means different things now considering the sbr rulelist change.
It's just very character dependant i think. Cos you don't wanna play marths on yoshis but id be happy with fox on yoshis. Similarly i wouldn't mind marth on ps but fox id rather not.
Also, pokefloats is a very awesome counterpick against peach as jiggs ive found. Try it out, it may not be for everyone but i've found peaches to be slow as hell on that stage
It's just very character dependant i think. Cos you don't wanna play marths on yoshis but id be happy with fox on yoshis. Similarly i wouldn't mind marth on ps but fox id rather not.
Also, pokefloats is a very awesome counterpick against peach as jiggs ive found. Try it out, it may not be for everyone but i've found peaches to be slow as hell on that stage
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
What rules changed?
Tamoo
Smash Master
hungrybox
Smash Legend
Pokemon stadium is the worst.
Tamoo
Smash Master
When samus is off stage and bomb jumping, just jump into the bombs.
Samus is easy as hell to combo once you get her with a bair or fair
Watch out for the crouch cancel, better to attack her once she's in the air, try and bait a nair from her and punish the afterlag.
Samus is easy as hell to combo once you get her with a bair or fair
Watch out for the crouch cancel, better to attack her once she's in the air, try and bait a nair from her and punish the afterlag.
rason110290
Smash Apprentice
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I play against a sheik who likes to needle spam. Once i get hit with his needles, he follows up with a grab and then proceeds to destroy me from there. My first attempt to adapt, was to try to approach from an angle with Nair/Fair so that I couldnt get hit with Needles/Aerial Needles, but was foiled and received plenty of Fairs. Also, I try to stay off the ground for fear of getting grabbed, but I get aerialed by sheik like crazy.
Any tips for fighting against sheik? Also, what is a good direction to DI when getting D-Throwed.
Any tips for fighting against sheik? Also, what is a good direction to DI when getting D-Throwed.
idea
Smash Master
crouch. she'll miss the grab at least sometimes.
(sheik can only sort of grab crouching jigglypuff...it's awkward enough that you can generally bet on the sheik to mess it up at least occasionally)
kirbykaze specifically practiced this and tested things in training mode and came to the conclusion that it wasn't really worth the risk to do needle-grabs, since jiggs can crouch-->rest if sheik slightly screws it up.
as for general stuff...i dunno, i don't think i know the matchup very well. edgeguarding is important, forcing her to up-b onstage then rest/hitting her back off until she dies. crouching is overall good against her.
^ also tells me not to cross over her shield so much. like, if you fair and it hits her shield, float back away rather than behind her. but that's probably just a personal bad habit.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
back throw sheik then ledge hop bair then edge hog rest
uair rest
up tilt rest
nair duck rest
there i summarized puff vs sheik for you
uair rest
up tilt rest
nair duck rest
there i summarized puff vs sheik for you
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
on a scale of 1 to 10...
how much does m2k like puff?
how much does m2k like puff?
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
From 1-10? That would probably be 0.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Basically how to play puff at hbox level
Use back air A LOT
<3 Juan. (4 stocks me everytime )
Use back air A LOT
<3 Juan. (4 stocks me everytime
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Tamoo
Smash Master
yeah idea's right, crossing through shieks shield is a fruitless effort because she'll nair u straight from it :/
AXE 09
Smash Master
so ummm... asking for obvious reasons....
what do you all think about the matchup vs pikachu?
what do you all think about the matchup vs pikachu?
Tamoo
Smash Master
not really bad for jiggs tbh, i like the matchup
from my experience, pika's best weopon in the matchup is uair
from my experience, pika's best weopon in the matchup is uair
idea
Smash Master
seems to be basically getting pokes and avoiding upsmashes. and yeah, pikachus will upair jigglypuffs, so between that and upsmash don't let the pikachu get underneath you.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
I don't remember exactly, but I don't think pika can really string anything from one or two uairs, which don't do that much damage. It's mainly the usmash you have to watch out for. Also, it might just be because I don't have experience with it, but I think it's kinda hard to edgeguard pika's up b
hungrybox
Smash Legend
I think if I had to pick my signature move it would be crouch....
nah, bair.
nah, bair.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
pika's upsmash STINGS
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
So I'm thinking about picking up Puff again. Any tips vs Marth? I hate that matchup more than anything. I know the vs Fox matchup is supposed to be much worse, but I really don't feel so. This probably means I'm doing something wrong, so any general movement tips would be nice.
Idea I still need to play you. Sorry couldn't come to the Smashfest; parental johns again. =/
Idea I still need to play you. Sorry couldn't come to the Smashfest; parental johns again. =/
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Any tips vs Marth are always bad.
To avoid them, as soon as he grabs you (you should be able to see it coming), DI away from the stage, always away from the sword, so the fsmash will miss. If you have avoided it once or twice, you will want to switch it up, because Marth will too.
Other than that,
idea
Smash Master
'sok.
i used to find vs. marth harder than fox, but now marth jiggs feels almost even and fox jiggs really doesn't. i forget why, though. mostly i just find myself being really patient for the first hit. once you get past his sword it's not so bad, but that's the hard part. and shield works better than usual.
vs. sheik and marth i like to occasionally fsmash under their aerials. it trades often enough. pisses them off. looks stupid. (and kinda makes sense -- they both do a poor job of covering the space beneath them, so you fsmash there)
AXE 09
Smash Master
this got me loling
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
See, you guys don't know what Marths can do if you always DI away when they grab you. Kyle, you should see my matches against my brother, you can see that ridiculous Dthrow->Dthrow stuff.
I hate the sword. I can't get in without spamming Bairs. Is there another way?
By the way, I wanted advice on movement (stage control, spacing), not stuff like shield/crouch/other tricks. I still remember those, lol. I just don't know how to get into his space. Crossing his shield with a Bair is hard, because he can shield grab you, I think. Not if you full jump the Bair, but I can't really do anything afterwards. Even if I get behind them with a falling uair or other Bair, he can just Dair OoS me or something the like.
I hate the sword. I can't get in without spamming Bairs. Is there another way?
By the way, I wanted advice on movement (stage control, spacing), not stuff like shield/crouch/other tricks. I still remember those, lol. I just don't know how to get into his space. Crossing his shield with a Bair is hard, because he can shield grab you, I think. Not if you full jump the Bair, but I can't really do anything afterwards. Even if I get behind them with a falling uair or other Bair, he can just Dair OoS me or something the like.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
If Marth plays extremely well, it's a nightmare of "random tippers" and fair spacing. When it gets to the point where it seems like he is reading everything you do, just stop approaching.
There's only a handful of ways puff can approach Marth, and once he learns how to counter them all, a campy, reactive Marth is probably the hardest to play against. Just let him approach, and as long as you know how to counter his approaches, you can win.
There's only a handful of ways puff can approach Marth, and once he learns how to counter them all, a campy, reactive Marth is probably the hardest to play against. Just let him approach, and as long as you know how to counter his approaches, you can win.
idea
Smash Master
yeah, marth can get surprise kills on you, which can be irritating. but that sounds kind of silly coming from a jigglypuff player =P
bairs are good at getting past marth's fair spam, just by virtue of stupid range. or you could try to interrupt his spacing with shieldgrabs. i think that's the main point of shield in the matchup...and seems like a good answer to 'how do i get in on him'.
also, i think i play naked puff now. just not feeling that red flower these days.
bairs are good at getting past marth's fair spam, just by virtue of stupid range. or you could try to interrupt his spacing with shieldgrabs. i think that's the main point of shield in the matchup...and seems like a good answer to 'how do i get in on him'.
also, i think i play naked puff now. just not feeling that red flower these days.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Another Victory For ME!!
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