Smash Balls

[swordsaint]

"can you think of a reason not to do it?"

you've already been given several.

stop being so ignorant.

 

[Silfa]

I only brought up the M2K thing so someone else would bring up the fact that M2K is kind-of an idiot when it comes to things like this, which kills the argument of me being bad = me being stupid before someone brought it up.

Understand?

Nope.

If people thought you ideas were good they would agree with them. you shouldn't need to set up things like that to prove you are on to something good, even if you aren't as good at the game. so what if people call you bad and disregard your thoughts? it's not like you will change the thoughts of those people anyway.

 

[Splice]

No point repeating what every other smart person in this thread has said Grim.

Not to mention, the timer isn't really a big issue. You are the one who needs to prove it needs to be changed, I dont need to prove that it shouldn't because you are the initiator putting forward the argument.

It's so unneccessary, we have no issue here in VIC, you alienate QLD and NSW doesn't have tournaments (and they all disagree with you anyway) ... go back to your hole

 

[toki]

Heavy metal bunny curry on F-zero

or

99 stock temple only w/smashballz no timer

Discuss

 

[KuroganeHammer]

We should have Smashballs in our matches.

It'd be like Street Fighter, except more random and on varying degrees of uselessness (1 being Marth, 10 being Sonic).

 

[toki]

hay u

ganen also 1 hit ko

noob

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I have spot dodged Ganondorf's Final Smash, therefore it is bad.

Sheik's > Ganon's.

 

[Splice]

The current discussion is actually more worthwhile than the previous one.

Whats the final smash tier list, someone make one.
I wonder if i could find one on smash wiki lol

 

[luke_atyeo]

hey hey hey dont have all the fun without me...
here goes

SA has used this rule for the last few tournaments and there is a noticeable difference.

No moar theorycraft plz

I was gonna point out the insane amount of irony in this but then

Ghost and Grim, the kings of theorycraft have requested that there should be no more theorycraft. Please refrain from theorycraft whilst we discuss this topic, backed by theorycraft.

My theorycraftometer from a TO perspective says 8 mins is already too long. However, now with the ban on MK, and the probable drop of the LGL, all I can say is 9 mins of camping will make the game even less enjoyable than it already has become..

adept did it for me, you are such a theorycrafting grim, I bet your ****ing best friends with that susa kid too

No need to be mean about it. D:

yes there is, there are basically infinite reasons to be mean about it.

I can't wait for someone to play the card about how bad we are so we shouldn't have a say in rulesets :3

its not that you are bad (you seem to be doing well lately) its that you are stupid.
very stupid.
being good doesnt make you not stupid, look at scoot, he's one of the best players in aus and he's ****ing dumb as ****.

he also said fox had 60/40 over mk.

fox totally does

You obviously haven't followed any other argument that I've ever gotten into with Luke and stuff lol

thats because they are not worth following, also those arnt arguements, they are you running into a wall over and over again while the rest of the internet laughs.

 

[Zero]

WHERE YOU AT? WHERE YOU AT?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'd say what I said in the General Discussion thread before it was locked and my post was deleted, but I assume you read it.

 

[luke_atyeo]

if I did I have no recollection of it

 

[tedeth]

You know what assuming does Grim.

That being said you're making an *** of yourself anyway so I guess it doesn't apply.

 

[Ghostbone]

lol at so much hate.

It was just a suggestion and a thread for discussion, no need to get annoyed about it.

@AD3PT, see I don't mind if you've tried out 9 minutes and you don't see the need for it, the only problem is when people dismiss something without trying it.

 

[tedeth]

It was a discussion on page 1 where people were like "It's useless because of this".

Which was followed up by several pages of hilarity.

 

[Ghostbone]

I suppose people just don't have the maturity to discuss something calmly.
Whatevs.

^^ This.

I was invited into a collaboration of TO's discussion about an Australian ruleset by Grimbone (Why they were in the group, I still have no idea), which I originally thought was a good idea.

But being the Grimbone that they are, it was me against them the entire time. It was painful and it was at that point that I gave up and decided QLD will 'do what we want'.

Honestly I have no idea what you're on about and it seems you're just making stuff up to try and discredit myself and Mason. I'm not on the same side as him on every issue, or really even most issues, I just try to point out inconsistencies and fallacies as much as I can because you know, they don't make good arguments. If you're referring to discussions about the LGL, I should remind you that there were other people on the side of not having one, and I was mainly just correcting you on your misinformation rather than backing up one side or the other. (sure I personally oppose it, but I really don't mind that much, helps me more than anything)

I wasn't even part of the making of the "Australian ruleset' group, afaik that was Grim and Apollo's doing mostly, because you know, it is actually a good idea to have the same ruleset used everywhere.

At the end of the day, I don't mind if QLD does whatever they want, they can play coin mode on Mario Bros. (totally legit ) for all I care.

 

[swordsaint]

like ted said, it was calm on page 1/2 while we gave you reasons

you ignored them.

and you wonder why we dont take SA seriously?

also lukes right on. i dont know a thing about this game.

 

[EverAlert]

because you know, it is actually a good idea to have the same ruleset used everywhere.

So in other words, you'll give up on the 9min talk since nobody else in Aus will adopt it?

gg

 

[tedeth]

Nah it's good for us to have the same rules as long as they are personally approved by Grimbone.

Otherwise **** that.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

If no other states will change, thats fine, we were just trying to spark a discussion on the subject.

SA will enjoy their 9-min timer, you guys can enjoy your 8-min timer, and everyone is happy.

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

r we still talking about fox on poke floats?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Poke Floats? Wasn't that the stage I said should be banned and everyone disagreed?

...Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahh...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

The current discussion is actually more worthwhile than the previous one.

Whats the final smash tier list, someone make one.
I wonder if i could find one on smash wiki lol

I recall AD3PT telling me there was.

I can't find it though.

imo it'd looks something like this:

[collapse=lol]S Tier: Sonic

A tier:
Wario
Falco
Wolf
Fox
Samus
Snake
King Dedede
Ice Climbers

B Tier:
G&W
Sheik
Link/Toon Link
Yoshi
Pit
Diddy
Bowser
DK
Luigi
ROB

C Tier:
Peach
Jigglypuff
Pikachu


D Tier:
Zelda
Olimar
Captain Falcon
Mario

Fail Tier:
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Meta Knight
Ganondorf
Ike
Kirby
Lucas
Ness

Trash tier:
Marth
Zero Suit Samus[/collapse]

I have far too much time on my hands imo.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Warios final smash is better than the spacies.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I didn't really put them in strict order, but it probably is.

 

[EverAlert]

ICs final smash is ****

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I think it does lotsa damage though. Doesn't outright kill anything, but it's really, really hard to avoid.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Leads into grabs as well.

 

[xXArrowXx]

omg wtf is that **** tier list.
so wrong.
i am heated bout these smash balls

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Well Arrow, let's hear your thoughts on it.

I don't mind being wrong.

 

[Splice]

@AD3PT, see I don't mind if you've tried out 9 minutes and you don't see the need for it, the only problem is when people dismiss something without trying it.

Everyone should try MK and Diddy banned best of 6 with 1 minute timer stamina mode with flowers on heads.

NOW HEY GUYS

its a dumb idea but if you dismiss it without trying it you CLEARLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT

THEREFORE

You should use my poorly thought up alternate ruleset

amirite
or amirite

 

[Splice]

And furthermore, ROBs final smash sucks that ****s like F tier at best if you know how to grab a ledge

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You are not right.

Changing one minute on the timer is not a parallel to MK+DDK Ban/Stamina/Flower/6Min

 

[KuroganeHammer]

And furthermore, ROBs final smash sucks that ****s like F tier at best if you know how to grab a ledge

Can't ROB just jump off with them? I mean, he's invincible the whole time. lol

 

[Splice]

you fail to see the point i am making grim

AND ADDITIONALLY

Lucarios Final Smash should never hit.
I also like how SAMUS would be A tier just because you get to be ZSS afterwards

ZSS should be below Marth for final smash

And Sheik should be a tier down

Snakes and ICs overrated perhaps.

I dont think any chars that CANT take two stocks should be in A tier.
Potentially you can do more damage with GaW octopus then Sheiks light beam thing

@Aero: He's invuln? i swear u could hit him. IDK he's pretty easy to avoid anyway, i dont think its up there with Pits, and Angel-Dinosaur-Dragon powers

 

[KuroganeHammer]

you fail to see the point i am making

AND ADDITIONALLY

Lucarios Final Smash should never hit.
I also like how SAMUS would be A tier just because you get to be ZSS afterwards

ZSS should be below Marth for final smash

And Sheik should be a tier down

Snakes and ICs overrated perhaps.

I dont think any chars that CANT take two stocks should be in A tier.
Potentially you can do more damage with GaW octopus then Sheiks light beam thing

These are all good points.

brb adjusting tier list a bit

[collapse=lol]S Tier:
Sonic

A tier:
Wario
Falco
Wolf
Fox
Samus
Snake

B Tier:
Ice Climbers
King Dedede
G&W
Sheik
Link/Toon Link
Yoshi
Pit
Diddy
Bowser
DK
Luigi
ROB

C Tier:
Peach
Jigglypuff
Pikachu


D Tier:
Zelda
Olimar
Captain Falcon
Mario

Fail Tier:
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Meta Knight
Ganondorf
Ike
Kirby
Lucas
Ness

Trash tier:
Marth
Zero Suit Samus[/collapse]


Edit:

Okay. Edited it a bit.

And yeah, ROB is invulerable through the whole thing.

Ledge humpers fare worse vs ROB's than G&W's imo since ROB can up b through the FS, where G&W probably can't follow due to only having one offstage jump.

 

[Splice]

I, myself, personally, would swap King D3 and ICs, in my opinion.

ICs can be avoided by some (not all) characters, and I dont think (from memory) it can take two stocks
D3 can take two stocks im pretty sure, it lasts ages, so big and gay and dance
I DONT KNOW if you can plank D3s final smash, if so, then i apologise for saying anything about it :X

Other than that i cant really think of any good reasons to modify anything on your list.
That will do for now, for me

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I think Dedede's FS can just be waited out after being killed on the spawn platform.

IC's probably can too, but the Glacier is at least set ups into bair or fair or w/e, so I'd be inclined to put it above Dedede's because of that ghey duration.

Or something.

 

[Splice]

fair enough

same tier maybe?

 

[Aussierob123]

but you can CP IC's FS by picking a large stage.

new pork city waddup.