Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Devil Ray]

naw, reno must have saw that hazz was going to land on the stage. so he jumped that way to get as much room for the bair. but by doing so, he didn't get up very high

 

[Teczer0]

???

He could reach a fairly good distance into the stage by simply ledgehopping onto the stage. He could also have had fairly good height.

I think Reno fastfalled off the stage because it would be able to cover the option of going straight for the edge and he is just too used to doing that.

He simply reacted too quickly and still decided to carry out the bair. By doing the bair so low in the air he didn't give the bair a chance to fully throw out its hitbox. He did it REALLY low.

 

[KirbyKaze]

kk, i'm sure there are recorded vids of you messing that bair edgeguard too. personal shots are whatever, but no player is perfect. i've messed up plenty of those.

My videos are horrible and I don't care if I've messed them up. My poor execution in videos has nothing to do with whether or not the Bair was the right play, it simply means I failed myself.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I like how you ask a question then discount pretty much every authority opinion that answers it.

I think the bair would've hit. I don't think it's the best option, but if done properly, it could definitely connect.

 

[Lawrencelot]

I agree with Teczero and KK and the rest

 

[Twin_A]

I like how you ask a question then discount pretty much every authority opinion that answers it.

I think the bair would've hit. I don't think it's the best option, but if done properly, it could definitely connect.

Although it did spark a good debate in this thread :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

Evidently, you and I have different definitions of "good debate".

 

[Twin_A]

Alright I'll take it back and change it to a mediocre debate

A good debate would have been in person and about a topic not related to a missed attack in a video game lol.

 

[R3N0]

I probably reacted too fast to hazz coming in from the up B. I caught the bair too late. I tried to do a fake out on the ledge but he went at a superb angle and the bair was already out =/~~

 

[CanISmash]

whats the point of asking a question then telling plenty of smashers with more experience / better results than you that they're all wrong...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

whats the point of asking a question then telling plenty of smashers with more experience / better results than you that they're all wrong...

"Devil Ray" is Ray Chun. He made a new account over the summer sometime. Hes a pretty good sheik, and has been in the community for a while. Obviously he hasn't placed like Tec0 or anything, but i remember he got like 17th at SMYM9 or something.

 

[pockyD]

never heard of him

i have heard of teczero kirbykaze and reno though so i know who i'd listen to

 

[HazZarD]

I probably reacted too fast to hazz coming in from the up B. I caught the bair too late. I tried to do a fake out on the ledge but he went at a superb angle and the bair was already out =/~~

****....

Reno wasn't nearly as good back then as he is now.

Evidence: (It's his Fox though....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZkyk8WOSA0

Shout out to Shiek mains!!

 

[GOD!]

if you're sheik and you down throw a fox and they are going to land in front of you, can you wavedash forward so you're touching them and if they tech in place, c-stick up immediately? will they be able to shield the u-smash or spotdogde?

don't have my gc with me so I can't try it out right now.

 

[soap]

it would be quicker to dash jump cancel into the usmash. and ya it works

 

[GOD!]

so if they miss the tech, jab reset.
Tech in place, usmash.
tech forward, regrab, tech backward, dash attack?

 

[soap]

or you can regrab everytime

 

[GOD!]

are you sure they can't buffer a spot dodge on one of the rolls?
If you could regrab every time, then why do sheiks lose so many games to fox? all you have to do is react, there's no prediction going on.

and a grab isn't hard to get, even against a good fox tbh.. at least for good sheiks.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

tech in place is 20 frames. usmash hits on frame 12. that means you have to react to the tech in place in under 8 frames or they can shield.

normal human reaction time is between .15-.2 seconds, and 8/60 is .1333.... so, you probably won't be able to do it.

 

[DJRome]

pretty much have to guess. . .

 

[KirbyKaze]

D-smashhhhhhhhhhh

 

[GOD!]

how many frames is first hit of dsmash?

And no one answered, why do sheiks lose the fox matchup? Is tech chasing a fox really that hard? I'm honestly wondering.

 

[Twin_A]

Well in my own relatively unknown experience:

foxes recovery is slightly harder to gimp then Falcos
shine ***** you
anyone can combo sheik >.<
and once a fox gets you in the air they're probably going to land another uair or something painful

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Five.

And Sheik doesn't lose the Fox match up.

 

[GOD!]

It's supposedly a disadvantage.

And if we have a dthrow tech chase and auto combos from dtilt, ftilit, and dash attack, then why isn't it 70-30 sheik?

 

[Teczer0]

Its because you're only considering what we have.

Consider what fox is capable of.

And I disagree I think its in Fox's favor.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

The combos aren't that easy =P Fox does Sheik in pretty easily, I think. Sheik can do her own thing, Fox just does it a little better.

It's a disadvantage, but it's not unwinnable by any stretch of the word.

 

[Teczer0]

Well, nothing in this game (Save for a few exceptions) are really that close to unwinnable anyway.

 

[soap]

for the usmash, i always just guess. most people tech in place the first time if u throw them real quick. after u hit them with an usmash, they will prolly roll the next time.

 

[KirbyKaze]

how many frames is first hit of dsmash?

And no one answered, why do sheiks lose the fox matchup? Is tech chasing a fox really that hard? I'm honestly wondering.

Fox is just a better character. They have the same goals. Fox is better at it. Largely because of better movement and the Shine.

Fox is better at not being hit than Sheik is, too.

 

[GOD!]

wow soap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W64-znL6XYM

I searched for "fox sheik." first match. And that exact thing happened, tech in place, then roll.

 

[soap]

wow soap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W64-znL6XYM

I searched for "fox sheik." first match. And that exact thing happened, tech in place, then roll.

i apparently watched that vid 11 months ago.

**** raynex was on point.

ccing the upair into shine. what a homo

 

[KirbyKaze]

raynex is a giant homosexual and yet he's the crowd favourite.

 

[Mogwai]

it cause his voice is so suave.

 

[soap]

suave isn't the word i would use.

it is ... unique

 

[R3N0]

****....

Reno wasn't nearly as good back then as he is now.

Evidence: (It's his Fox though....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZkyk8WOSA0

Shout out to Shiek mains!!

When.. did this happen lol~~

 

[KirbyKaze]

it cause his voice is so suave.

Mogwai if I dropped Sheik forever and became a Falco/Fox main, would that be enough to win your love?

 

[Devil Ray]

When.. did this happen lol~~

dang, i just saw those vids. xyt got *****, and he's pretty good. poor guy

 

[Nihonjin]

A little late, but I just read the Devil Ray - KirbyWind debate...

i'm telling you, there is no way a bair is hitting that mofo. even if it magically did, he could have been sent upwards and away.

LOL @ Ray, you're so wrong it's not even funny..

Weak Bair to Fair/sweetspot Bair would've killed him..
Sweet spot bair would've killed him

Other things that would've worked are:

- Invert Fair
- Ledge hop Needle turn around fair
- Getup Fair
- Get up Dsmash
- Get up Ftilt to Fair/needle (depending on his DI)
- Get up Utilt to Fair/Nair/Uair
- Ledge hop Nair
- Ledge hop Dair to Fair/Uair
- Getup to dash attack to fair
- Invert ledgeattack (or whatever it's called) to Bair/Fair/Nair/Dsmash

Almost anything would've worked really, granted that he timed it right..which he didn't..:embarrass

 

[KirbyKaze]

Invert.

That's a really good word to describe backwards hits.

Amsah I'm stealing that.