Afro_Chris
Smash Ace
the other side of canada where u at
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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Does anybody else have some non silentspectre vs doc vids?
the matchup is hard as hell because I have no access to facing any actual Docs in my region, so when I travel and face awesome Docs whether they are defensive / offensive I am clueless on what to do
the matchup is hard as hell because I have no access to facing any actual Docs in my region, so when I travel and face awesome Docs whether they are defensive / offensive I am clueless on what to do
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
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there was a match or two of my doc vs. darkrain that were never uploaded
says absolutely nothin' about the match-up, tho. says a lot about what really bad combo DI does though.
says absolutely nothin' about the match-up, tho. says a lot about what really bad combo DI does though.
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
Apparently no one wants to help me with my falcon D:
Bah. I'll show you all what's what.
Incidentally I found something silly with falcon. Only on FD, and only with falcon, if you smash back and jump while hanging on the edge at exactly the same time, you'll immediately wall jump. Your jump DOES get used, but you don't have to let go, jump towards the stage and then wall jump. Just smash back and jump.
Only noticed it cuz i kept accidentally wall jumping lol, and i was like, how the **** am i doing that when I am not once holding in to the stage?
Bah. I'll show you all what's what.
Incidentally I found something silly with falcon. Only on FD, and only with falcon, if you smash back and jump while hanging on the edge at exactly the same time, you'll immediately wall jump. Your jump DOES get used, but you don't have to let go, jump towards the stage and then wall jump. Just smash back and jump.
Only noticed it cuz i kept accidentally wall jumping lol, and i was like, how the **** am i doing that when I am not once holding in to the stage?
Reaver197
Smash Lord
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Isn't that the Doraki walljump?
It's like FD and a couple other stages that you can do that with. But most of the other stages are banned ones, if I recall correctly, like Fourside.
I guess I can try giving some advice, though I probably won't give anything particularly illuminating knowing me, ha ha.
It's like FD and a couple other stages that you can do that with. But most of the other stages are banned ones, if I recall correctly, like Fourside.
I guess I can try giving some advice, though I probably won't give anything particularly illuminating knowing me, ha ha.
pockyD
Smash Legend
the doraki walljump doesn't use your jump, and it relies on you grabbing the edge from a certain previous position, so it wouldn't be the same thing as what he's saying
_marth1_
Smash Lord
if you push left while hanging on the left side of the rock on ps you walljump automatically
one of the many reasons i hate that transformation/stage
one of the many reasons i hate that transformation/stage
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
Yeah. As far as I'm aware, you can't doraki with Falcon on FD. This uses your jump, it just achieves a similar effect in that it happens right away, as opposed to going through a small process to do it. You could nab wall jump knees that you otherwise wouldn't have time for.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
You can doraki with falcon on FD. I remember doing it to show off to my dad one day lol
Tomacawk
Smash Master
sheik or fox or falco....I think sheik personally
Nakamaru
Smash Master
Sheik because f-tilt beats everything. : /
Any tips for approaching against a fox?
Any tips for approaching against a fox?
Yeah, don't.
Nakamaru
Smash Master
Thats annoying...
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
really? I've never gotten it to work. I can do it perfectly with fox, but it won't work for falcon for me.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
I'm pretty sure you can do it, I've got it by accident while ledgehopping u-airs sometimes.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
it was really weird, I was just playing a match against a scrub, and I did some awesome combo to moonwalk to ledge. I knew I had to finish it or he would always be disappointed in me, but I had no idea how to doraki correctly.
So I just jammed back in a special way from the ledge and did it to knee. it worked. it sweetspotted. I was happy.
So I just jammed back in a special way from the ledge and did it to knee. it worked. it sweetspotted. I was happy.
show-da-skill
Smash Apprentice
I really appreciate this thread and I would like to ask a question.
Can you teach me the best way to learn and/or perform the gentleman. When I try to use it I delay my third A and I can get grabbed by shiek/marth etc. Does it NEED to be cancelled with Z? Just give me the best method to perform it and some explanation pleaseee
Thanks
Can you teach me the best way to learn and/or perform the gentleman. When I try to use it I delay my third A and I can get grabbed by shiek/marth etc. Does it NEED to be cancelled with Z? Just give me the best method to perform it and some explanation pleaseee
Thanks
Ndot
Smash Journeyman
You must connect with the first two jabs / or maybe at least the second jab on your opponent or it won't work, then as the third jab hits, you hold the A button as you do the third jab for at least a second so that he doesn't do his rapid jabs afterwards. Then do whatever move you want after the gentleman. Some people use the shield after the gentlemen to cancel into an attack or something. Find what you're comfortable with.
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
aaRa is what i hit. Cancels the gentleman without having to hold the a button or time it.
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
One of my problems against peach is handling her shield pressure. I know I shouldn't be sitting in my shield too much but sometimes i get stuck that way and always try to escape it at the wrong time.
Let's say a peach is shuffling a nair at your shield and is going to float cancel jab with it and who knows what after do it again or grab, idk. When would be the best time to escape that and how? roll out with the C stick when she jabs or just before she jabs? or maybe grab her after the nair? what works =(. Peach is my worst matchup at the moment which is weird, i can handle the best spacies around here but peach still ***** me.
Let's say a peach is shuffling a nair at your shield and is going to float cancel jab with it and who knows what after do it again or grab, idk. When would be the best time to escape that and how? roll out with the C stick when she jabs or just before she jabs? or maybe grab her after the nair? what works =(. Peach is my worst matchup at the moment which is weird, i can handle the best spacies around here but peach still ***** me.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
I wouldn't be in my shield at all. It basically guarantees her a free grab since CF has like no options OoS.
Instead space her aerials with DD's. Or u-air OoS or something, i dunno.
Instead space her aerials with DD's. Or u-air OoS or something, i dunno.
Lovage
Smash Hero
THE LOVAGE DROPZONE
grab space animal near edge
dash
pivot drop
reverse uair
JEALOUS???
grab space animal near edge
dash
pivot drop
reverse uair
JEALOUS???
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
I figured that would be my answer. And I make that my game to avoid those moments, but sometimes I just manage to get stuck in that moment and I'm wondering if theres some safe way to get out of it since almost every time I get pinned down in my shield some damage is going to come of it in peaches favour.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
catch turnips and throw them back. turnip->knee is legendary status
space nairs. land out of cc->dsmash range. abuse your bair, it's all you got. uair when peach is above you. be patient on ledgeguards and don't be risky. stay invincible on the ledge or on the map if you're ledge guarding.
edit-i didn't even read i assumed you wanted peach help LOL
up b oos can work. dont do it too much though. roll is basically your best option.
space nairs. land out of cc->dsmash range. abuse your bair, it's all you got. uair when peach is above you. be patient on ledgeguards and don't be risky. stay invincible on the ledge or on the map if you're ledge guarding.
edit-i didn't even read i assumed you wanted peach help LOL
up b oos can work. dont do it too much though. roll is basically your best option.
Aussierob123
Smash Champion
Anything to beat the character helps me, I do well at tournaments here but consistantly lose to peach, alot of people try to use peach against me even if it isnt their main lol.
I always time to roll badly i think. and i dont use the C stick which i probably should, should you roll after the jab or nair?
I always time to roll badly i think. and i dont use the C stick which i probably should, should you roll after the jab or nair?
NES n00b
Smash Master
Being in shield against peach sucks, but it is going to happen. So here is the best I can come up with.
Wavedash out of shield when possible: This is pretty hard with fc nairs and other fast attacks she has leaving very few holes. The time between these holes are not very small either.
Lightshield when you think she is going to dsmash. Not too bad to use after nairs as most of the safe options after it don't put you into too bad a situation.
Roll when you think she is going to grab. Unfortunately, Falcon has to get out of good shield pressure a lot of the time with roll. It is just how it is.
Afro_Chris
Smash Ace
does it still link?
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
they are all equally as bad as the next.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
a little lol
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
meh, i'd rather have them DI in and dropzone a reverse uair into another reverse uair(they can't tech because of the weak hits) and then make it back and edgehog.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
The lovezone
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
lololololololol the lovezone.
Irish Mafia wins the internets
Irish Mafia wins the internets
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
its official. someone post something
the love zone is herrrrrrrre
the love zone is herrrrrrrre
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Is it truly impossible to sweet spot with falcon? Cause I'm pretty sure i did it yesterday on YS, didn't get hit by marth's dtilt, though his timing might have been ever so slightly off :\
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
His timing was off, or he was far back enough that his dtilt was on the slightly higher part of the stage and therefore doesn't hit. Falcon's feet flip up higher than the point he grabs at, right at the top. That's why it's best to reverse up B if you can, his feet go out to the right so they have to be closer to the edge to hit you, but it's still not a sweetspot.