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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
- Thread starter Scar
- Start date
from my gmail chat with scar earlier today after he watched Mango's CF vs. HBox
Scar: i hate mango
he makes this game look so easy
so what i've gathered is that you have to outspace jiggs
and that it's ok to trade knee with her moves but nothing else
Scar: i hate mango
he makes this game look so easy
so what i've gathered is that you have to outspace jiggs
and that it's ok to trade knee with her moves but nothing else
tubes
Smash Ace
uhh actually...
yea Jiggs can rest you out of the knee. I think if you space it right you can hit with the knee without you knee going inside Jigg's rest hitbox but I don't actually know.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
I never figured out how to do a short walljump 
I always go way out while walljumping.
How do I do the short one D:
I always go way out while walljumping.
How do I do the short one D:
Tomacawk
Smash Master
you have to do an aerial to stop your momentum
TresChikon
Smash Lord
FF after you reached the peak of a jump. Or adjust to hitlag.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
uh, try doing that without doing an aerial and we'll see how many empty scarjumps you can do.
tomacawk was right.
TheManaLord
Smash Hero
tips v falco on FD and platform stages
oh yea thats right
but the DI back part is just as important
your not gonna do much without that anyways
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
What should I be doing vs. Marth? Everyone says Falcon has the potential to do well, but I just can't see it. He just cuts through my nairs with whatever he wants then knocks me down. Once that happens, its over. If I try to face him and keep him out with nair, he blatantly outspaces me. Bair is even worse, because once I'm done my aerial he runs in and I can't shield grab him because I'm facing the other direction. Getting into his face difficult as well.
Not to mention this all gets 5x as worse on smaller levels. Advice would be much appreciated.
Not to mention this all gets 5x as worse on smaller levels. Advice would be much appreciated.
whos marth are you going against?
just dd alot and basically just bait a nair or grab
do as much as you can and then dd again
if they just run up as you dd and you dont know what to do just full jump and get away
i think smaller stages **** marth
like yoshis story battlefield and fod
even tho fod messes me up alot
maybe its just cuz i like small stages
just dd alot and basically just bait a nair or grab
do as much as you can and then dd again
if they just run up as you dd and you dont know what to do just full jump and get away
i think smaller stages **** marth
like yoshis story battlefield and fod
even tho fod messes me up alot
maybe its just cuz i like small stages
Drecker
Smash Ace
Don't take Marth to a small stage.
You'll get dooked on.
You'll get dooked on.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
if marth does a rising sh fair against your shield, you can usually sh nair him before he can do whatever else. this is good for when people are trying to space sh double fair on your shield.
i'm not POSITIVE it works but it's what i usually try to do
i'm not POSITIVE it works but it's what i usually try to do
shield a lot when he jumps, and wd out of shield a lot to mess up his spacing or nair out if he's close enough
you really cant just approach with nairs, cause marth can just cut through them with like any move he has. knee is probably a better approach, because you'll end up trading sometimes and thats way better. either way, approaching is not that great vs marth so dd a lot, get a feel for when the marth likes to do moves, and then do your own moves to hit them right afterwards
its a dangerous matchup that i think marth wins, but you can get a lot of mileage out of small mistakes marth makes
you really cant just approach with nairs, cause marth can just cut through them with like any move he has. knee is probably a better approach, because you'll end up trading sometimes and thats way better. either way, approaching is not that great vs marth so dd a lot, get a feel for when the marth likes to do moves, and then do your own moves to hit them right afterwards
its a dangerous matchup that i think marth wins, but you can get a lot of mileage out of small mistakes marth makes
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Marth is pretty vulnerable for awhile if he tries a double fair. That's why no one does it. But if he does, feel free to be awesome.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
conversely if he double fairs, he can space the first one so it intentionally misses, then your like "oh i can haz punish?"
and then marth is like "lol jk, eat this second fair"
it works because no one double fairs as an approach, and a dd falcon is just looking for attacks he think he baited to punish, in which case its like reverse bait.
mindgames.
and then marth is like "lol jk, eat this second fair"
it works because no one double fairs as an approach, and a dd falcon is just looking for attacks he think he baited to punish, in which case its like reverse bait.
mindgames.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
what is this i dont even
JPOBS
Smash Hero
try it.
im not saying its a be all end all strategy, or a spammable idea, just something im throwing out that people could use.
u can never have enoguh mindgames.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
if falcon is dd then it sounds like he ran into the second fair and marth didnt really space it lol.
double fair is done for intimidation and to keep space. fair to grab is wayy more effective as an approach.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
all of mang0s characters are too legit, not just his falcon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4RlOGUv1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s4RlOGUv1c
Sideshowxela
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 25
I never see Mango's Falcon outside of dittos vs. top Falcon players, where he holds his own disgustingly well. I try to rationalize that he may have tied Darkrain across dozens of games, but maybe he'd do worse against a third party like say Zhu than Darkrain would. There's no real reason to believe that besides just-world telling me that Mango can't be the best at everyone because it's not fair.
Scar
#HarveyDent
mango is the best
period
period
Sideshowxela
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
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Hey I've got a question for you, when are we going to see something in the way of IKM3? Sorry if that's been asked before, or a lot, but search turned up nothing.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
haha this noob
Scar
#HarveyDent
lol search again, i killed mufasa 3 in youtube
also it's in my sig
which is apparently impossible to get to come up unless i type like 3 paragraphs and have something quoted etc etc etc etcetc etc etc etcetc etc etc etcetc etc etc etcetc etc etc etcetc etc etc etcetc etc etc etc
No thread for it yet? laaaame. Hype threads are hype
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Mang0 beat darkrain 3-1 in falcon dittos @ the last e-52
Sideshowxela
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2009
- Messages
- 25
Wow, horrible searching skills on my part. Well, thanks. Back to lurking til I think of some other question.
BunBun
Smash Master
tubes
Smash Ace
Lately I've been having trouble comboing Marth our of Grabs. Especially at low percents. If I down throw, He DI's down and away and I am unable to get a hit in before he techs. If I up throw, he somehow always manages to hit me before I can hit him.
Suggestions?
Suggestions?
it's because Falcon can't actually Combo Marth out of throws until 30%ish when uthrow starts to legit combo into nair. your best option is to dthrow and chain it into another grab if they miss the DI or tech chase if they DI successfully.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
mogwai speaks the truth
tubes
Smash Ace
Sounds lame as **** but alright. Thanks for the help Mogwai. I'll just tech chase till 30 or some ****.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
yeah mogwai is correct. dthrow can lead to regrab or techchase. uthrow at 30 or higher will combo into uair or nair. uthrow at I believe 70 or higher can lead into knee, I'm not sure if 70 is when it starts but I know it's close
i think scar was jokin >__>
at least he better be lol
altho i agree no one has done wat ken did yet ... but mango is trying ...
ken brought marth into the picture ... and now mango is bringing jiggz ... i love this game lol
Tomacawk
Smash Master
and falco. mango is winning with characters that nobody has really won nationally with before
he's still a jerk for not playing me at smym10 tho
he's still a jerk for not playing me at smym10 tho
