Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[iamthemicrowave]

When comboing with short hop uair, which is more effective: fast fall + l cancel or do nothing and auto cancel?

theres actually 3 kinds of sh upairs

1. upair immediately after jump, FF, LC (standard for combos)

2. upair immediately after jump, no FF, auto cancel(rarely used but someone can correct me). I guess used for comboing off the stage into DJ upair or knee. Can be used to eddie spike.

3. jump, wait to hit with upair then FF, LC(essentially a half-upair, but varies based on when you use it)

The third one is used when people are far away, so you delay the upair to run farther and get closer. Also good to punish missed techs cuz of the crazy range.

 

[Reaver197]

I would say that if you're trying to combo with short hop uair, it's always better to fast fall and l-cancel, cause you want to be moving and attacking again as soon as possible.

Edit: Welp, got beat by two people in the mean time. Ha ha.

 

[Tomacawk]

theres actually 3 kinds of sh upairs

1. upair immediately after jump, FF, LC (standard for combos)

2. upair immediately after jump, no FF, auto cancel(rarely used but someone can correct me). I guess used for comboing off the stage into DJ upair or knee. Can be used to eddie spike.

3. jump, wait to hit with upair then FF, LC(essentially a half-upair, but varies based on when you use it)

The third one is used when people are far away, so you delay the upair to run farther and get closer. Also good to punish missed techs cuz of the crazy range.

this is correct

 

[Strong Badam]

i think i felt worse about losing that set than i did when i lost to aarosmashguy

i don't even think that's possible.

 

[NES n00b]

The legend of aarosmashguy lives on.

I basically always fast fall l cancel the upair.

 

[Strong Badam]

when im shffling upairs in a combo, i skip all of that fancy stuff and just **** it up instead. works every time.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I shuffle sh*t cuz it works. I can only see myself trying to auto cancel if Im jumping to a platform.

 

[Roneblaster]

i always fast fall it, then i roll forward instead of LC dash. yeah....

 

[Reaver197]

i always fast fall it, then i roll forward instead of LC dash. yeah....

Be faster with hitting the L or R button.

Also, use the boost to get through.

 

[Scar]

you HAVE to learn to l-cancel without having your shield come up

100% imperative to falcon

i don't even think that's possible.

i didn't either but this time did it

 

[SuperMatt]

you can sh up air then fastfall and not have to lcancel it if you do it fast enouhghf

 

[Scar]

even if that's true (i believe matt r tho) odds are you won't be getting it every time and you'll have to delay the uair most of the time, so i'd suggest getting used to getting it out as fast as possible and not worrying at all about autocanceling

if you do autocancel tho be mindful of it and don't land in shield

 

[g-regulate]

fact: you can l cancel uair people off the ground, into a knee. good for mid % peeps when they DI down and away, hit the ground, and dont tech.

 

[Roneblaster]

i was just kidding! i dont ALWAYS do it, i use to do it alot, but now it happens very infrequently: im no scar.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

lol @ people thinking you can play falcon without learning to lcancel and not shield

It just doesn't work

 

[tubes]

only use for autocancel upair is to scoop marth off the ground unexpectedly.

 

[Mogwai]

for scooping, I think delayed uair, l-canceled is better

 

[-WoMp-]

I apologize if this has already been asked/answered but is there a trick to dropzone knees?

 

[g-regulate]

yea, the trick is to psychically make them DI incorrectly.

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

LOL g-*****.

 

[Scidadle]

IS IT TRUE that you are going to gigabits this weekend scar???? :D

 

[KAOSTAR]

I apologize if this has already been asked/answered but is there a trick to dropzone knees?

lol @ g reg
It starts with their DI and ends with you quickly running off into knee

if you want to know how to make it back you must post again

 

[Roneblaster]

speaking of dropzones, at what percentages is falcon dropzoneable?

 

[-WoMp-]

Thanks for the replies but I wanted to know if there is a trick to getting the knee out earlier. Sorry for the confusing post.

 

[Milos]

just hold to the side as you run off the stage and press A and then jump back as soon as the knee is done.

if you do it correctly you'll make it onto the stage, ie past just the ledge

 

[-WoMp-]

Thanks, Milos.

 

[legion598]

How The Hell Am I Supposed To Fight Marth When All He Does Is Camp The Ledge And Utilt Everytime I Attack!!!!!

 

[Mogwai]

get a % lead and DD camp the middle of the stage for 8 minutes.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

or just bait the utilt

 

[Milos]

or space a nair

it outranges u tilt watch out for jab lol that **** is so annoying. if they jab i like to cc grab or shield grab but i dunno marth is gay as hell

 

[ArcNatural]

or space a nair

it outranges u tilt watch out for jab lol that **** is so annoying. if they jab i like to cc grab or shield grab but i dunno marth is gay as hell

News to me, Falcon's sffhl nair outprioritizes Marth's uptilt?

It maybe be bigger but I thought since uptilt is a grounded disjointed hitbox it still beats out nair if you time it right.

 

[Milos]

im pretty sure the tip of the second foot penetrates or trades at least, and falcon has the frame advantage at low %s and can follow up with a grab even if it trades

 

[P.C. Jona]

falcon can beat marth pretty easy

just nair

or grab and keep hitting them

you can do like 6 moves and then do a knee

and they die

and then you can try 6 different moves

and you win

just dash dance and then

nair or grab

 

[DippnDots]

I think it's just a timing thing milos, i've never seen a nair beat marth's utilt unless the marth does it early

 

[NES n00b]

utilt should always win sine it is disjointed assuming both are spaced as best as possible and the hitboxes hit around the same time..

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Nair more.

 

[iamthemicrowave]

New vids of bigy

Bigy vs Mew2King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_BSGI45u4 <- epic combo 1:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK59hhzrxA0 <- epic combo 1:24


Bigy vs Scotu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_3K1cGwos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDD6DeYjOaE

Tink vs Bigy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTWh7tDqj-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkX4NbAlzRk <-- epic "combo" 0:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gBF5fuNBdo

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

falcon can beat marth pretty easy

just nair

or grab and keep hitting them

you can do like 6 moves and then do a knee

and they die

and then you can try 6 different moves

and you win

just dash dance and then

nair or grab

i know you've been told this a thousand times but STOP TYPING LIKE MANGO

it's ****ing annoying. typing like mango doesn't make you better at the game. HAHAHAHA. although your combo video was tooooooooooooooooooo good.

 

[Roneblaster]

i remade that combo video, its 10x better, you should look it up if you havent alrdy

get ***** jona :D <3

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

i've already watched it reneblade.

twice.