Saltus Combo (testers wanted) *please read thread*

[Praxis]

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this, I'm leaving for a trip in the morning or I'd test it myself. I'm just bothered because the frame data doesn't check out, and actually watching the video, MK looks like he finishes his bounce animation and doesn't force get up before getting hit (like when you mistime the ice block while hobbling Dedede with Ice Climbers).

I'm not ruling it out, it just seems...sketchy. If this works and is practical enough to make Sheik an MK counter, I will pick up Sheik and use her in tournament But I'm going to wait until a Sheik beats a notable MK with this and some testing has been done.

And SDI is actually really effective on unsweetspotted bair :/ Remember that Peach can do the exact same thing as Sheik is doing int his video, except using Wario's grab release to guarantee the footstool, and using float to cut eliminate frames from the footstool (footstool > float > release float so you don't go anywhere), and it's not an infinite cause Wario can smash DI the bair to move out of grab range.

 

[Zankoku]

I think the biggest problem is that unless you have ftilt decayed in a different way, it doesn't work after 70%. From 40%-70% (which was three iterations of the footstool combo), it worked fine, but the ftilt at 70% sent too high up to get a footstool in time.

 

[AnDaLe]

I think the biggest problem is that unless you have ftilt decayed in a different way, it doesn't work after 70%. From 40%-70% (which was three iterations of the footstool combo), it worked fine, but the ftilt at 70% sent too high up to get a footstool in time.

not sure if u noticed, but u had a vid of this combo already on rob, but extended.. O.O ur too far in ur game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEGszcKxIQ&feature=related

 

[Canvasofgrey]

If that's the cases, then it's just a combo loop. At best, at least it gets up some good percentage without much risk, even if it's hard to pull off since you can uses a Usmash to get from that 70% to about 90 or 100 percent, so it's still a decent amount of lead.

 

[saviorslegacy]

not sure if u noticed, but u had a vid of this combo already on rob, but extended.. O.O ur too far in ur game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAEGszcKxIQ&feature=related

lol no
That is different.


:EDIT:
Wait wait wait wait...
f-tilt> footstool (now when you footstool DI left or right just like in Ankoku's vid)> Needle and force a get up> repeat
I am to lazy to test so late at night but it is just an idea.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

So the sheik MK match up is like 80-20 sheik now?

 

[Zankoku]

Sheik doesn't do terribly poorly against Meta Knight.

 

[verycoolguy]

Meta-Knight: Oh snap! I'm 37%! Time to play really gay!

 

[Canvasofgrey]

Sheik doesn't do terribly poorly against Meta Knight.

Yup. Sheik actually has one of the better match-ups against MK compared to most of the other cast members.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Really? isn't the match up 60-40 MK ?

 

[verycoolguy]

I have misread. I thought it only works with a fresh ftilt on 37%.

 

[Sosuke]

Thats good compared to a lot of other characters.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I have misread. I thought it only works with a fresh ftilt on 37%.

The lowset you can perform it is at 37% with a fresh f-tilt.

 

[Canvasofgrey]

Really? isn't the match up 60-40 MK ?

Considering most of the other cast members have it as 60:40 or lower, I say that's pretty **** good. Personally, I think Sheikd is on the lower half of the 60;40 ranging, and knowledge of the match-up could give you about 57:43 even with MK advantage.

 

[saviorslegacy]

50 50 and that is being nice.

night guys

 

[gallax]

sheik for high tier. lol. be prepared for dair camping now from MK.

 

[Semifer]

Very nice find, but why does everybody call it an infinite? O_o. After a time it won't work anymore, because the KB of Ftilt is too big.

 

[Tristan_win]

Well I'm going to bed and remember everyone, love sheik more, she just maybe the only counter to meta knight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5_j_Y1NQYY

 

[Alphicans]

This can work on stages like halberd, delfino, smashville right? Any other stages? I am asking this because I assume now MK's will ban FD when vs'ing sheik if this becomes a commonly used combo.

 

[ChocoNaner]

Very nice find, but why does everybody call it an infinite? O_o. After a time it won't work anymore, because the KB of Ftilt is too big.

Yeah. It's more of a lock. I don't have a problem with this, don't main anyone that has it bad with this new discovery.

 

[tibs7]

i hate MK
please lord let this be true

 

[saviorslegacy]

Yeah. It's more of a lock. I don't have a problem with this, don't main anyone that has it bad with this new discovery.

If you main Kirby you are also screwed.
The timing is a little bit harder but you are basically a pink MK.

 

[Leafplayer452]

Good shiz man, but do you know if this works on Snake? I have major problems against them with Sheik

 

[saviorslegacy]

Good shiz man, but do you know if this works on Snake? I have major problems against them with Sheik

I just updated with every character listed.

 

[DemonFart]

i hate MK
please lord let this be true

We all hate .

Nice find, fighting sheiks is gonna be scary.

 

[.AC.]

you should experiment more with things related to buffering etc.btw is this enough to make 13+ characters unviable like in melee?

 

[Boxob.]

Of course it works well on Sonic... lol.

 

[East]

:EDIT:
Wait wait wait wait...
f-tilt> footstool (now when you footstool DI left or right just like in Ankoku's vid)> Needle and force a get up> repeat
I am to lazy to test so late at night but it is just an idea.

Ankoku and I were talking about this last night. A needle storm doesn't force a get up, but the single needle after it will. You could also jab twice, which would seem like a better options because there isn't as much lag and you can crouch cancel it to well.... whatever.

I also wouldn't be calling a match-up against MK so early. We need some video evidence of it used in an actual match first.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Ankoku and I were talking about this last night. A needle storm doesn't force a get up, but the single needle after it will. You could also jab twice, which would seem like a better options because there isn't as much lag and you can crouch cancel it to well.... whatever.

AH crap I didn't mean to post that.


I have found a few other ways to make an infinite as well. For right now I'm not telling cuz I want to handle one thing at a time.
(3 or 4 infinites at once would be kinda annoying)

 

[Nic64]

Meta Knight
Meta Knight can’t do crap.
difficulty 1/5
Combo works at 37%.
(Saltus Combo on MK)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7438443&postcount=82

unless something there is wrong this doesn't appear to work, at all.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Lol, did I NOT bring up the needle lock way earlier in this thread? I'm so stealing credit for that. :3

lol @ "MK's fastest option, air dodge, comes out in 3 frames". Uair is faster than air dodge, which kinda makes me think that frame tester might be crazy. If the data really lines up to show that MK can roll/get up/get up attack out of this, then that's a shame.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Lol, did I NOT bring up the needle lock way earlier in this thread? I'm so stealing credit for that. :3

lol @ "MK's fastest option, air dodge, comes out in 3 frames". Uair is faster than air dodge, which kinda makes me think that frame tester might be crazy. If the data really lines up to show that MK can roll/get up/get up attack out of this, then that's a shame.

Actually I already though of it before I posted this, and it's not a Needle Lock. You are simply using a Needle to force a get up, and the repeating the process.

There are more than this too. *looks at gold mine that is footstool*

 

[rathy Aro]

In my head sheik goes even with MK, but I won't say it as fact until I can back it up with proof.

Anyway this looks like something, InnocentRoad did, but he made no claims to an infinite.

Mad props if this actually works as an infinite. Hopefully it doesn't work on every character or it'll just get banned. lol.

 

[East]

Mad props if this actually works as an infinite. Hopefully it doesn't work on every character or it'll just get banned. lol.

There's no reason to warrant a ban on it. Regardless of whether it works or not, there won't be a ban on it.

 

[Tristan_win]

There's no reason to warrant a ban on it. Regardless of whether it works or not, there won't be a ban on it.

I agree with east, as long as the ice climber infinite isn't banned neither will this.

 

[rathy Aro]

Many tournies DO ban the IC's infnite. lol And ftilt is easier to land than a grab with ICs on many characters in the cast.

Edit: Also this would be considerably more broken than DDD's infinite and that gets banned all the time (for no good reason).

 

[Tristan_win]

Many tournies DO ban the IC's infinite. lol And ftilt is easier to land than a grab with ICs on many characters in the cast.

Edit: Also this would be considerably more broken than DDD's infinite and that gets banned all the time (for no good reason).

Most Big tourneys don't ban ice climber infinite, hopefully it wont as with this sheik will be high tier and sheik will be able to win large tournaments

 

[saviorslegacy]

Many tournies DO ban the IC's infnite. lol And ftilt is easier to land than a grab with ICs on many characters in the cast.

Edit: Also this would be considerably more broken than DDD's infinite and that gets banned all the time (for no good reason).

You are talking about something that works on everyone or close to it.

Saltus does NOT work on everyone and you have a really tough time on some people.
(luckily people you have a tough time with can be f-tilt locked)

 

[SnowballBob33]

I was happy when I saw that it doesn't work for fox. Then I realized, you still can tilt lock >_<
How bout you ban it against everyone but metaknight?

 

[rathy Aro]

What's a saltus? Anyway I said before that this could only be banned if it works on everyone.

Anyone notice a striking similarity between the content of this thread and the one below? Coincidence?