Saltus Combo (testers wanted) *please read thread*

[Max Ketchum]

This looks like there's too much stun to escape.

Um...does Sheik have any form of jab lock? Needles, perhaps? If so, this is a perfect setup.

 

[drunk3ng0ldfish]

...seriously? that looks pretty escapable. is the hitstun of Bair really that long?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Has this been tested?
A: yes

Has this been tested a lot?
A: Just found it today I need more than a few hours to run it through everything you can think of.

 

[uhmuzing]

Yes! Meta Knight will finally die!

 

[Chaosgriffin]

Very Nice, a bit hard to get off, will take practice, but I appluad you (CLAP CLAP)

 

[mr.fizwidget]

very interesting....although it cant be done forever because, at higher percents, even with a weak bair it would hit out of ftilt range

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can't Peach Nair out of her's?

 

[saviorslegacy]

...seriously? that looks pretty escapable. is the hitstun of Bair really that long?

Actually from what I can tell it is VERY legit.


@.@ I should've waited a week before posting this that way I knew every single thing about it.


As far as I can tell Peach cannot get out of it at low percents (this might change at higher percents). This is pretty much legit on every character. The only thing that doesn't make this legit is a fast fall speed and little ground traction (like Luigi).

 

[xDD-Master]

For me it looks like there is time to roll away (After the foostool), but anyway it looks really cool

 

[drunk3ng0ldfish]

oh god. i just realised that this works on wario. (if it does work.)
****.

 

[Smith]

This can be DIed..

 

[saviorslegacy]

For me it looks like there is time to roll away (After the foostool), but anyway it looks really cool

Nope... you see that footstool provides a lot of stun. On top of that I don't believe you can roll. You auto get up after a set period of time.

 

[Marauder]

Very, very nice find. How is it on Ike and Marth?

 

[Metatitan]

it looks escapable but who knows

 

[Max Ketchum]

lol @ "does bair have that much hitstun?"

The bair functions as a jab lock. The only way this is escapable is if they can interrupt it between the ftilt and footstool. Also, you CAN roll out of a footstool knock-down, but not after you've been hit by a lock move once. There's just not enough time between the footstool and the bair to get out. That's legit.

 

[saviorslegacy]

This can be DIed..

If you DI out you make it funner for Sheik if you DI in you make it easier.

If you DI the Bair I can just walk up to you. No go dude. Only an attack, low traction, low damage, high damage and fast fall speed can save you.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

If this really isn't escapable, needles (assuming it's charged) to another needle to a Usmash should be replaced with that last BAir, Metaknight should have a harder time trying to survive.

Maybe even insert a run up > FTilt before the Usmash.

 

[Exia 00]

Good find bro It doesn't look hard to do either. I might check it out tomorrow.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Very, very nice find. How is it on Ike and Marth?

I haven't had time to get to them yet. This is brand new. (I bet Ike is doomed though.)

 

[saviorslegacy]

Good find bro It doesn't look hard to do either. I might check it out tomorrow.

It's not really that hard. It takes muscle memory though and good timing.

 

[Zankoku]

You're not fastfalling the bair, from what I can tell. Also, that footstool height is pretty high. If that's the height we have to work with, then Yoshi's Island, the sides of Battlefield, and occasionally Smashville will probably interfere unless you time the bair late. It might be tricky.

 

[Crizthakidd]

oh wowww. i need to test this crap. HOW would u find this seriously like... where u looking for it, or like how does someone find things like these.. im thinking u can SDI some of the moves to get a bit outa range.

but its looking bad lol.... just curious cuz us MKs are fawked. whats shieks worst matchup
??

 

[Rawnie]

oh wowww. i need to test this crap. HOW would u find this seriously like... where u looking for it, or like how does someone find things like these.. im thinking u can SDI some of the moves to get a bit outa range.

but its looking bad lol.... just curious cuz us MKs are fawked. whats shieks worst matchup
??

Ice Climbers. Becase there being two of them, this would not really benefit Sheik in that match-up.

 

[clowsui]

LMFAO criz just take them to BF and spam nado to chip shield...BF will make the footstool difficult to do unless you're in the middle but no one can ledge trap MK so it doesn't matter if you're at the sides

sheik's worst matchup...is MK bahahahahahhaha along with marf. ICs as well

 

[Ray_Kalm]

You're not fastfalling the bair, from what I can tell. Also, that footstool height is pretty high. If that's the height we have to work with, then Yoshi's Island, the sides of Battlefield, and occasionally Smashville will probably interfere unless you time the bair late. It might be tricky.

I noticed that to. The example he showed us was escapable, without the fastfall, but I'm pretty sure it won't be with a fastfall.

Also, just a side question, does DAir have lock properties?

 

[Max Ketchum]

Dair does not have a lock property. It's too strong.

 

[Praxis]

From the video, it looks like it will only work on FD...can probably be escaped via Smash DI just like the Peach infinite on Wario (smash DI the weak bair hit to move closer to the ledge with each hit)...and I would be really surprised if he can't nair or uair before that footstool. :/

 

[M@v]

This looks easy to mess up in game though; dont think this is an instant win >_>.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Dair does not have a lock property. It's too strong.

Ah. Alright.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Sheik can choose which side to land on, I believe. That'd make it an infinite.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I noticed that to. The example he showed us was escapable, without the fastfall, but I'm pretty sure it won't be with a fastfall.

Also, just a side question, does DAir have lock properties?

Dair sucks


The funny thing about that is they were just footstooled and they don't have time to get up before the Bair.



I found this by leaf posting a topic asking us to take a second look at the footstool. So I did and I have always liked thing that combo into itself. So I tried to make it combo into itself and found this.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Sheik can choose which side to land on, I believe. That'd make it an infinite.

That should require a bit of tech chasing, which supposedly shouldn't be pretty hard to do.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Get your brother to test this with you. Even if he doesn't know how to play Smash, just tell him to mash the C-stick up once he gets ftilted.

Nope, not tech chasing. Just watch where he goes after the ftilt, which he can't really decide.

 

[xDD-Master]

What about DIing the Bair to the ground and teching it o.O

Maybe...

 

[saviorslegacy]

This looks easy to mess up in game though; dont think this is an instant win >_>.

If you play the IC's right they have an instant win. However this is easier than the crazy CG's that they pull off.
Gimme a month and I'll upload matches of me using this in a Brawl.

BTW... it is somewhat easy to mess up. Then again so is DACUS. This skill will just take time.

 

[Max Ketchum]

...You can't tech a lock move...once you're footstooled, the bair hit is a lock. Nothing you can do about that.

 

[saviorslegacy]

What about DIing the Bair to the ground and teching it o.O

Maybe...

It can be teched if Sheik mess's up and hits you with the wrong frame.

DIing the Bair= moving in walking distance
no go

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Get your brother to test this with you. Even if he doesn't know how to play Smash, just tell him to mash the C-stick up once he gets ftilted.

Nope, not tech chasing. Just watch where he goes after the ftilt, which he can't really decide.

Oh, funny I didn't know that lock properties move players the way it decides, if that's what you meant. Possibly because of the lack of lock moves my main has.

 

[stealth3654]

Hey Saviorslegacy, did you get this idea form me in Leaf's thread? ^.^

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm having doubts it will work on some characters you listed, but I'll wait to see how your findings turn out.

Good find by the way.