PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Niko45]

^And not getting ***** by vanz >_< <3 IB

Ugh...believe me, easier said than done.

I'd also put Taj next to IB, idk who I like more out of those two Marths as far as complete Marth mains right now.

 

[Druggedfox]

I never got to play any sheiks with marth... I'm angry.

Btw niko, good **** on winnin that tourney =]

How do you do vs vanz's sheik usually?

 

[Niko45]

I never got to play any sheiks with marth... I'm angry.

Btw niko, good **** on winnin that tourney =]

How do you do vs vanz's sheik usually?

Thanks man. It was actually the first time I've beaten a legit sheik player in tournament before so it was pretty big for me.

Vanz just inexplicably trashes me. Not just with sheik either, the Peach is a problem too. In all seriousness, I'll take Hax or Jman in bracket before Vanz. Idk if he's just good vs Marth or what but it's gonna take me a while to be able to compete with him. I'm working on it, though.

 

[Jimbo Slice]

So I'm teaching a friend how to Melee and they've decided to play Falco. I don't have much experience with the bird. Could somebody give me a list of necessary Falco techniques to play him successfully? Just want to make sure I don't overlook anything.

 

[Kason Birdman]

Thanks for the feedback JPOBS.

it was decided that a lazer does not provide enough frames of hitlag for somebody to SDI off the ground, right?

 

[FoxLisk]

So I'm teaching a friend how to Melee and they've decided to play Falco. I don't have much experience with the bird. Could somebody give me a list of necessary Falco techniques to play him successfully? Just want to make sure I don't overlook anything.

direct him to mogwai's guide. if you really wont

shffl
wd
wd out of shine
shl
waveland

 

[unknown522]

to m y knowledge no. Lasers have no knockback, and resets are a function of knockback and character weight. So unless im somehow mistaken, a laser will always reset at any %.
depends on the character. iirc, heavier characters are jab reset to higher percent, lighter characters stop being reset at low percents.

could be wrong about it but i think thats how it worlds.

you can (A)SDI falco's jab with any character at 0%. His jab is too strong.

I'd also put Taj next to IB, idk who I like more out of those two Marths as far as complete Marth mains right now.

IB's definitely better. (with marth).

 

[JPOBS]

Thanks for the feedback JPOBS.

it was decided that a lazer does not provide enough frames of hitlag for somebody to SDI off the ground, right?

basically yea.

 

[FoxLisk]

i wouldn't count on that. unfortunately i dont think Magus namesearches anymore. someone test it! it's probably not possible but... SDI moves you pretty far, so maybe.

 

[Niko45]

IB's definitely better. (with marth).

Yea I agree the more that I think about it. Why the hell wasn't IB at ROM god damn it.

 

[Kanelol]

I've heard I.B. is like

really really really really really really good at marth

but i've only seen him at like one national

:\

 

[Rubyiris]

DGDTJ is in 3 days. Critique is GREATLY appreciated.

Rubyiris (Falco) vs . (Fox)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE0HGMKGy84

Rubyiris (Falco) vs . (Captain Falcon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWo55caEPkM

I have a juggs match uploading that I'll post later.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I.B so pretty <3

 

[Melomaniacal]

DGDTJ is in 3 days. Critique is GREATLY appreciated.

Rubyiris (Falco) vs . (Fox)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE0HGMKGy84

Rubyiris (Falco) vs . (Captain Falcon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWo55caEPkM

I have a juggs match uploading that I'll post later.

I watched the Fox set, and I just have a few observations.

1. Work on shine OOS more. There were a handful of situations where it would have been good but you didn't nail it.
2. Use late aerials when approaching a shield.
3. Don't over-commit your approaches. There were so many occasions where you landed a shine but dropped your combo because you committed to, say, double shining or shine grabbing, and when the first shine hit you didn't react fast enough to combo.

 

[Rubyiris]

I don't play with good enough players often enough to work on shine out of shield. You have no idea how much it irritates me not being able to.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I don't play with good enough players often enough to work on shine out of shield. You have no idea how much it irritates me not being able to.

When I was practicing it, I would just put a Bowser on level 4-6 and let him hit my shield to practice it under shield stun. The helpful thing is that he will jab, and if he is above you he will down-B, do you'll get the feel for it with more and less shield stun.

 

[genkaku]

Could you potentially buffer a shine OoS with the C stick?

 

[Rubyiris]

yeah. i've been trying to implement it into my game.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I need to try that.
I've been using tap jump (sometimes Y, whatever feels right at the time) to do my shine oos.

 

[SSBMLahti]

What exactly does it mean to "buffer" a move?

 

[Dr Peepee]

Could you potentially buffer a shine OoS with the C stick?

Umm, how do you buffer jumps with the c stick? I never learned that one lol.

Sounds incredibly useful though.

Also yeah I haven't forgotten of those critiques....

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Hold up on the cstick while holding the sheild button. Similar to buffering a roll

 

[Dr Peepee]

Lol can't believe I never knew that. XD Thanks man.

 

[Dark Hart]

jeez Kevin, if you used the CStick like I told you too, maybe you'd know things

no wonder your Falco is still mediocre.

<3

:dwam:

 

[KirbyKaze]

kevin's falco is weird

 

[Rubyiris]

gsg2 is tomorrow. moar critique please.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

your going again?

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

lol it's that rubyiris guy who thinks he's mature

 

[Rubyiris]

your going again?

Yeah. Money in pocket.

 

[Rubyiris]

lol it's that rubyiris guy who thinks he's mature

lol it's some forum troll.

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

reported for double posting.

 

[Rubyiris]

reported for double posting.

you act as though i give a ****.

 

[Kanelol]

dEEZ *****S MAD SALTY

also, is M2K gonna be at GSG2 and make all the finals a snooze fest

again

 

[Darkshooter]

Any ideas on how to shorthop the reflector? If its possible at all.

Also, how would you do the double shine?

 

[FoxLisk]

Any ideas on how to shorthop the reflector? If its possible at all.

Also, how would you do the double shine?

i dont understand the first question

doubleshining is shine -> jump -> shine again. you have to do it fast.

 

[Darkshooter]

Disregard the first question. Its me being young dumb and idiotic.

What button do you use to double shine? I use the analog stick myself.

 

[FoxLisk]

i use y. it's easy cause i use the claw

 

[JPOBS]

is M2K gonna be at GSG2 and make all the finals a snooze fest

again

wait what?

does not compute

 

[Ben-Teezee]

PP i had some questions bout throwing Jiggs.

First off i notice u dont use dthrow against her? why is that?

roughly around what % do u start looking for upthrow upair for the kill?

how do u make upthrow fair work at low %s? this goes for marth and other floaties too

 

[TheDekuNut]

Hold up on the cstick while holding the sheild button. Similar to buffering a roll

I don't think buffering the jump with c-stick it a great idea if you're gonna SOoS. it requires you to react to your own jump. its much more awkward to stay on the ground IMO which is preferred. Since the c-stick will input a jump every frame you will jump the first frame you get out of hitstun, a good benefit yet difficult to use in practice when following with a shine

and what was it that M2K said about falco following up with hit after an up throw on Marth? Maybe there was some kind of asterisk with percentages IDK but this is still a good example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdwhcf87s3s#t=2m34s