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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

unknown522

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I think using a secondary to overcome a bad matchup should only be done if you are expecting go go far at a tourney and you are sure that you can't overcome a matchup.

Alternatively, of you can already do the matchup with the secondary without having to dump a lot of time to learn the matchup

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go out and hit them/grab the edge/laser/maybe downair (depends on where they start the firebird seems like it sometimes works sometimes doesn't). usually though you can just grab the ledge and roll off and you'll get the kill because everyone and their mother goes for the sweetspot nowadays. also, you just waited on the platform when he was off stage instead of getting ready
 
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oliman said:
dr. pp i've never seen your opinion on what falco's high tier matchups are (# wise), only your advice on how to play em.
if you could just throwem out there that would be cool.
and when i say cool i mean rad
and when i say rad i mean ultra
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I quit posting matchup opinions for a couple reasons. Consider though, if I were to tell you that Falco loses to, say, ICs. Everything I say from that point on about ICs will come with a negative spin which people will attach to rather than learn about the matchup and how to beat it, good or bad. Even if I said Falco wins 70-30 vs ICs you might get complacent and not learn the matchup, so it goes both ways. Labeling changes perceptions.

I will post some matchup #s in which I have "feelings" about them based on how I feel when I play the matchups. Don't take them very seriously. I'll have more refined matchups with more concrete backup out eventually.


Falco vs Fox- even

Falco vs Marth- 55/45 Marth

Falco vs Sheik- evenish(could swing either way I think)

Falco vs Puff- 55/45 Falco

Falco vs Peach- evenish

Falco vs Falcon- 60/40 Falco

Falco vs ICs- Not sure, but at least 55/45 Falco, maybe 60/40.

after that- lol



edit: I'll be responding to more as the day goes on hopefully lol.
 
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trickerL said:
How do you edgeguard a firebird like at 6:17 in this vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4R_iE8a1Zk&feature=plcp
dsmash or the angled ftilt dont seem to work on yoshis, but that might be me?
the only thing I could think of would be shooting a laser, but in above vid I think that would have to be a read.
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dmash and downward angled ftilt never seem to work for me when they go for the sweetspot with firebird, only illusion

In that specific situation, I'm like 90% sure you had enough time to shoot him with a laser. From there he would have dropped to around ledge height and you could react to illusion with dsmash or firebird by going off and hitting him with nair or something since he's so close.

Also, like Nobird said, you could have just grabbed the ledge cuz people mostly go for the sweetspot. Even if he had gone up, you would have enough time to react. If he had gone straight though, you might have been in trouble though.

You can do Zhu's thing where he wavedashes off the stage early, fastfalls past the ledge, and then come back up with a Bair, because if timed right I think it hits either straight or down, and you can react to Up. I don't have the timing down for this myself, but I'm working on it hahaha
 
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3-you have absolutely no chance at beating the other player.

4-you don't give a ****.

just remember, e=mc^2
 
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scumbag kevin

says he'll need to think about having sex for a while

doesn't say that the while is actually less than a week
 
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stabbedbyanipple said:
dmash and downward angled ftilt never seem to work for me when they go for the sweetspot with firebird, only illusion

In that specific situation, I'm like 90% sure you had enough time to shoot him with a laser. From there he would have dropped to around ledge height and you could react to illusion with dsmash or firebird by going off and hitting him with nair or something since he's so close.

Also, like Nobird said, you could have just grabbed the ledge cuz people mostly go for the sweetspot. Even if he had gone up, you would have enough time to react. If he had gone straight though, you might have been in trouble though.

You can do Zhu's thing where he wavedashes off the stage early, fastfalls past the ledge, and then come back up with a Bair, because if timed right I think it hits either straight or down, and you can react to Up. I don't have the timing down for this myself, but I'm working on it hahaha
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thanks stab and noobird.
the downward ftilt does work on other stages (but not on yoshis it seems). the timeframe to do it is quite short though.

On yoshi´s, I´d be hesitant using a wavedash off because of the slanted ledge, making you boback easily, or at least making your wavedash imperfect! not worth the risk imo. a jump off with an aerial could work, but could put you in a risky situation as well I think.

(it´s not me playing, btw)
 
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trickerL said:
thanks stab and noobird.
the downward ftilt does work on other stages (but not on yoshis it seems). the timeframe to do it is quite short though.

On yoshi´s, I´d be hesitant using a wavedash off because of the slanted ledge, making you boback easily, or at least making your wavedash imperfect! not worth the risk imo. a jump off with an aerial could work, but could put you in a risky situation as well I think.

(it´s not me playing, btw)
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Bobacking is when you fail a ledgedash. If you can WD onto the ledge (anyone decent can), then you should have no problem doing WD off FF DJ bair.
 
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Hey, someone give me advice on what to do/look out for, when teaming with another falco. Sung and I have basically ONLY been told this is a bad team composition lol
 
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With double falco, the one in the back should shoot lasers over the teammates head while the other does SHL (or one falco be on a platform, so that you have more angles to attack from, and cut off the opponent). You in the back should be keeping the opponent from jumping. Otherwise, try to keep one opponent in between both of you, while walling the other opponent. If both opponents are on opposite sides of the stage, then doing an isolation strat is good assuming you have good singles skills.

Shine doesn't always have to lead to a combo right away. You can use it as a super fast launcher, with the sole purpose of having the opponent above you in a bad position.

Fighting vs double fox as double falco can be a pain.

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stabbedbyanipple said:
Hey, someone give me advice on what to do/look out for, when teaming with another falco. Sung and I have basically ONLY been told this is a bad team composition lol
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Both Falcos need to be close together, and preferably stagger their lasers in some format. Maybe one SHLs then the other one will SHL over the front Falco's head as he grabs, or maybe one SHLs while the other FH DLs, it just depends. Falco can do big combos but they take a while, so the Falcos should be closer together for quick damage-racking/killing in teams.

I imagine staggered shield pressure could also be quite useful if it can be set up appropriately(opponent is hit offstage/dead/recovering/etc).


It is unexplored, not necessarily bad.
 
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