KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Kage's outlook on smash is 100% pure unadulterated short term.
And we love him for it.
And we love him for it.
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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
You make it how you want it, isn't that how it goes? 
unknown522
Some guy
Yeah. I've never seen armada get 4-stocked as peach before. If he had SH d-air at the end it would've been a 4-stock
Warhawk
Smash Lord
I never thought in my life I'd ever hear a four-stock chant AGAINST Armada, much less see it one short hop away from actually happening. Really excited for when all of the top 5 in the world meet again. Hopefully going to be closer this time.
Problem2
Smash Champion
Man, pp sure gets sick a lot at tournaments. Ironic that his name is "Dr" Pee Pee.
Bones0
Smash Legend
He wasn't sick (as far as I can tell from the vids).
clowsui
Smash Legend
I think PP's principal error wasn't so much that he ran into Armada's shield but that he kept challenging Armada in bad spots. It's true he got hit by a lot of OOS BS from AR but he also kept trying to crash high from neutral and faked laser when risk/reward wasn't in his favor
I can't wait to hear PP's thoughts on the sets
I personally loved when he started faking armada out with those constant wavedashes, baiting the roll (or just the shield to PPs grab)- reminded me of how he played back at pound v
I hate seeing this matchup though, it's like PP has to play perfectly or he gets punished to death from that one mistake by armadas consistency
I personally loved when he started faking armada out with those constant wavedashes, baiting the roll (or just the shield to PPs grab)- reminded me of how he played back at pound v
I hate seeing this matchup though, it's like PP has to play perfectly or he gets punished to death from that one mistake by armadas consistency
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I'm watching the stream recording now...holy hell. Armada's stall for Randal had to be the single craziest thing I've never seen before...and PP could've four-stocked him....Probably some of the best Melee I wil ever watch.
I'm one of the crazy people who think Peach wins the matchup, haha (doesn't change the fact that Armada makes me never want to play it as Falco EVER)
I'm one of the crazy people who think Peach wins the matchup, haha (doesn't change the fact that Armada makes me never want to play it as Falco EVER)
Beat!
Smash Master
So does Armada. Just super saiyan.
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I thought he thought it was even?
Beat!
Smash Master
Last time I talked to him (less than a month ago), he thought it was slight Peach advantage.
Beat!
Smash Master
Okay, I guess I remembered it wrong, then.
My point still stands, though. @SO
And thanks. You almost made me a little worried for a while there.
My point still stands, though. @SO
And thanks. You almost made me a little worried for a while there.
leffen
Smash Champion
Even/probably peach's favor in PAL with normal stagelist
Even/probably falcos favor in NTSC with stupid (rr/kj64) stages
in short even
Even/probably falcos favor in NTSC with stupid (rr/kj64) stages
in short even
unknown522
Some guy
Woah woah woah armada + leffen: what happened to falco losing to everybody?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
It's no longer a 100-0 matchup.
Have I ever said something like that?Woah woah woah armada + leffen: what happened to falco losing to everybody?
I can't remember that at least.
I still think powershields makes Falco way worse (look at Leffens Marth for example) but not even close to what you tried to imply
unknown522
Some guy
Oh. Well, maybe I misread something in the tier list thread
Edit: nope just checked. So what's the deal with falco in 4th? Who does he lose to to make him that low?
Edit: nope just checked. So what's the deal with falco in 4th? Who does he lose to to make him that low?
leffen
Smash Champion
Marth + Fox. He goes even/loses to Sheik/Peach, wins over Puff/Ics/Falcon
All of my top 4 (Fox/Marth/Sheik/Falco) are all really close though
All of my top 4 (Fox/Marth/Sheik/Falco) are all really close though
unknown522
Some guy
I see
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genkaku
Guest
Ice's powershields were crazy.
PP's DDs were really pretty.
Didn't armada try to stall for randal at genesis 2? I can't remember.
PP's DDs were really pretty.
Didn't armada try to stall for randal at genesis 2? I can't remember.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Ice's powershields were mediocre at best. He only had like one good dash away one, and he only got like 3 punishes out of all of his powershields.
90% sure Armada and/or Leffen said Peach beats Falco in the tier list thread. lol
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Yeah, just Leffen though:
PP, why did you strike to DL game 1 of GF2 after doing so well on YS? I figured you'd go for that, or if Armada strikes it, PS or BF.
90% sure Armada and/or Leffen said Peach beats Falco in the tier list thread. lol
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Yeah, just Leffen though:
PP, why did you strike to DL game 1 of GF2 after doing so well on YS? I figured you'd go for that, or if Armada strikes it, PS or BF.
unknown522
Some guy
Ice has impressive movement out of PS, but I am still underwhelmed by the lack of consistency after being told how consistent he's supposed to be with it (I've heard he does it all the time...).
Also I think he gives up good positioning / gets ***** entirely when either:
A: he fails the PS
B: he expects them to laser so he stands there, or moves slowly toward the falco, then they simply don't shoot the laser (see pp vs him especially for this example).
C: he PSs, but the falco is too close and causes the laser to miss
Also I think he gives up good positioning / gets ***** entirely when either:
A: he fails the PS
B: he expects them to laser so he stands there, or moves slowly toward the falco, then they simply don't shoot the laser (see pp vs him especially for this example).
C: he PSs, but the falco is too close and causes the laser to miss
knightpraetor
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i wouldn't be surprised if he's like me. I played hiv+ at the last tourney I went to and was getting ***** for 5 matches, so then I decided I would just powershield. Then for the rest of the night I was hitting like 90% of my powershields (I literally kept winning matches solely off powershield into pressure/ taking stage space). Warm up on a falco/sufficient play time against a falco prior to the set has a huge influence on my consistency. In tourney you don't get to play falcos constantly and there is the issue of breaks between games too.
Beat!
Smash Master
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think this is the best writing I've ever seen from you.Ice has impressive movement out of PS, but I am still underwhelmed by the lack of consistency after being told how consistent he's supposed to be with it (I've heard he does it all the time...).
B+
Bones0
Smash Legend
Knowing Canada, it was probably someone else posting on his account.
Before I respond to these quotes, thanks for all of the love and support guys. =)
2. I don't want to comment on most of this.
I am confident I will win next time assuming I train appropriately. That goes for both of them.
Sorry I confirmed so late, bad Paypal things etc happened......I'd love to be back I seriously would. Right now I don't know how or when that would happen though.
I'm glad you enjoyed the matches =)
I talk about this in the interview with Novi going up soon probably, but people can DI the Dair farther away in PAL than NTSC. Angle of trajectory is farther or something I believe. Dair may also be different strength in PAL I'm not sure I didn't test.
2. I don't want to comment on most of this.
I am confident I will win next time assuming I train appropriately. That goes for both of them.
Sorry I confirmed so late, bad Paypal things etc happened......I'd love to be back I seriously would. Right now I don't know how or when that would happen though.
Going in is fine, you just have to not be dumb. Playing slow vs Peach allows her to match your speed within her limits, something you should avoid as Falco I've come to decide.
You won't hear much from me on the sets unless lots of people ask for it(especially those who donated to me).I can't wait to hear PP's thoughts on the sets
I personally loved when he started faking armada out with those constant wavedashes, baiting the roll (or just the shield to PPs grab)- reminded me of how he played back at pound v
I hate seeing this matchup though, it's like PP has to play perfectly or he gets punished to death from that one mistake by armadas consistency
I'm glad you enjoyed the matches =)
Armada won RPS iirc and took away YS that set. I took away BF because he won there in set 1 GFs I think. DL I felt like I could do well if I played using more platform lasers but it didn't work out for reasons.
lmao
Beat!
Smash Master
How badly did you want that 4-stock you almost got?
AvengerAngel
Smash Journeyman
That DI thing would make a huge difference D:
Are you sure about that? It's weird it didn't come up before when people were checking the differences between PAL and NTSC tho
I can understand if you don't feel like commenting your sets, but thanks for the answer anyway and ggs. I hope you'll get them soon xP
And it would be awesome if you managed to come back =D
Were the prizes high enough to make up (partially) for your trip?
Are you sure about that? It's weird it didn't come up before when people were checking the differences between PAL and NTSC tho
I can understand if you don't feel like commenting your sets, but thanks for the answer anyway and ggs. I hope you'll get them soon xP
And it would be awesome if you managed to come back =D
Were the prizes high enough to make up (partially) for your trip?
Bones0
Smash Legend
I wouldn't be surprised. I remember being caught off guard when Baxon was able to survive some offstage dair PP hit him with because he DI'd away.
Not that badly. I did think it would've been cool but if I can't end it with a runoff Dair then it's not cool enough for me.
....my brain sucks LOL
SOMETHING is different about the trajectory people go at when they get Dair'd in PAL. Either that or Euros just DI it retardedly better than American pros/Armada in NTSC somehow, or the Dair is different in another way I don't know of that changes my perception there.
Have faith my man, I will not disappoint you I guarantee it. =)
The prizes were indeed high enough to help me out. I saved a little from Canada(around $90) as well! After paying people back I figure I'll be breaking roughly even but Paypal fees may cause that to make me a little in the red. I'm not too upset honestly I don't play smash for money haha. =p
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I'm not entirely sure she loses to him on KJ64. But probably? Either way, those two stages won't ever be on again, and with a ruleset that forces Falco to go to FD... (I think her advantage from FD outweighs his on her on Stadium).
Peepee, is it that there isn't much to say about the sets, or do you not trust Smashboards with what you have to say?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't want to get sick (Repeat x100)
Control your beast!
Bones0
Smash Legend
I'm pretty confident Falco can time out Peach on KJ64, but I don't see PP or Mango trying to do it anyway. Without that, it seems like it would be in Peach's favor because of the large blast zones and barrel to assist recovery. Idk how the slants would play out in terms of lasers vs. floats or chain grabs though.
AvengerAngel
Smash Journeyman
This Dair thing makes me sad ;_;
I wish I could Dair spam like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZ85p5yyxY
or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEbJZsOqU3A&feature=player_detailpage#t=107s
or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1w2yLRqY9o&feature=player_detailpage#t=101s ;_;
or Chops in general xd
I wish I could Dair spam like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZ85p5yyxY
or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEbJZsOqU3A&feature=player_detailpage#t=107s
or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1w2yLRqY9o&feature=player_detailpage#t=101s ;_;
or Chops in general xd
She couldn't float if she's in the middle but she could just crouch and counter my attacks I guess because I can't laser her then either unless I get into dash attack range.
I imagine DI'ing into the middle gets me hits slightly earlier at higher percents which is.....nice?
At least she can't tech a wall to recover or wall bomb stall for the barrel....
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