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I know for a fact that in order for Fox to do it, he has to jump the first frame after letting go of the ledge and airdodge at the perfect frame. Falco's might be a little easier because I think his DJ goes a little higher, but you're still going to have to be frame perfect on the DJ, and you probably only have a few frames to execute the air dodge.
1. The firebird startup has a little bit of momentum in the direction your were traveling right before you start it and you can travel a small distance in said direction during startup. You can see this if you go to japes, run off either side of the main platform and firdbird immediately, you can cross the creek and grab the edge of the side plateau thing while still in the startup. So I would imagine a similar thing may be going on here where people DJ and use the little momentum to gain a tiny bit extra height but im not sure on that. Theres also the case mentioed earlier where if you firebird right at the ledge but the opponent takes the edge right before you, as soon as he moves off it to do anything you grab it right away. So that may be another reason.
I was always under the impression fox and falco's DJ went the same height?
I'm not sure what's different, but it's definitely something. Try to do a LH bair to regrab. It's mad easy with Falco, but really hard with Fox. It's basically the same idea with the waveland, but I don't know how falling speed would come into play. I'm pretty sure Falco falls faster than Fox, but maybe Fox's slow fall is faster than Falco's slow fall? Idk. Either way, try it with Fox and see if it's any more difficult than Falco's. I couldn't really tell a difference, but I was only able to get it ~1/7 tries (or ~4/28 in Canadia).
Glad I could help =)
That DL waveland is so hard =(
Oh so it's factual video runs faster. Cool haha.
Could it just be that their Bairs are different?
The point is to prevent you from overshooting the edge vertically.
I think in the interests of stalling it's a bad idea. Now using it to pick the window for invulnerability frames when you're about to edge guard or something, awesome.
At low percents I'm pretty certain this combo doesn't work if Marth attacks through it or jumps. Its harder for Marth to escape if Falco does an up-tilt after the first dair because of the much larger hitbox above Falco on the up-tilt as opposed to the shine although I think even then Marth can get out of it. Shine-dair-shine only starts linking on Marth at much higher percents (~70-80% I think) and only for a short while and then starts hitting Marth too far off the top. There is also a percent range in between there where shine-dair-up-tilt links perfectly I believe but I don't know what it is. All this is not even considering Marth's DI on the shine to try and escape the combo so its safe to say this won't really work.
Are you sure? Because I tried it at lower percents and I couldn't seem to get it where it was completely inescapable at the lower percents (I could be messing up the timing on the dair and fastfall though). I could get it at the higher percents but not the initial ones. Also DI'ing away from Falco almost seemed to make it easier. If it can be done at the lower percents then I think you can link it all the way until death as you can dsmash after one of the dairs at high percent or uair Marth off the top at like 110%.
I tried it in training mode just to see even if with bad DI I could get enough hitstun to keep them in it at low percents and I could visibly see the hitstun go away as well as the combo counter reset. However, the longer I delayed the dair after the shine and as I was already falling, the closer I got to it being a "true combo". Also, I didn't try having someone airdodge out of it to see if it really was escapable so maybe for all intents and purposes it is a combo if you time the dair and fastfall perfectly because everyone knows that stupid counter lies. Also I'm doing it without even the c-stick (stupid training mode) and that probably could make the timing of the dair better.
for tournament problems, I can usually fix whatever they are within the context of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqummot83IE&list=FLsrUCyrwJxAGrCyeLRZhnKA&index=21&feature=plpp_video
Well these days at tournaments if I do get nervous before or after a tournament match, I usually go outside by myself and try to re-center myself so that I have the proper mindset before and during a match.
really? i'm pretty sure that's more than i've been to. o:
Damn, following the Kip strategy. We're going to have a problem soon.
in regard to tourney vs friendly matches, i find that, when i play a lot of friendly games it can be hard for he to get into tourney *** mode/i become less sharp/creative.
