You guys aren't alone.
G&W and many other characters suffer the same fate to MK like Peach does.
All MK has to do is play very defensive, be as gay as gay can be, and abuse the grounded up B. He pretty much has free wins over many characters because of this.
People just haven't fully tapped into this kind of potential yet because they are turned off by playing gay. But it is only a matter of time before this becomes the standard for MK play.
Keep in mind, MK's up B EASILY overrides G&W's Bair.
SoCal's starting to. Both Valdens and I lost to Viet at BIO2, who played like this :/ He never, ever, ever approached me. It was horribly stupid.
This is why I've wanted MK banned for so long. He has SOME ******** gay thing he can do in every matchup, it's just not being fully exploited yet. Sean was even showing me stuff he can do on Diddy. The only matchup he doesn't is Snake, and all the MK's get their panties in a bunch calling it a counter, but the top MK's beat the top Snakes...even IMO :/
But this isn't a ban MK thread. Planking is going to be banned at some point; I think FICTION and I are going to start trying to convince TO's to try out the Japanese 80-grabs ledgegrab rule. That'll help, but I think if an MK plays gay enough, we'll still have to counterpick.
The G&W's might too, I dunno. I think you guys still have it better though haha
mew2king doesn't play gay at all and if you think he does you have no idea what you're talking about and you haven't played him.
i play this match with m2k pretty often and it's not so bad prolly like 55/45.
Sounds like Dark.Pch talking about M2K...
I think M2K's not playing gay enough against Peaches. You said he's not playing gay at all. He SHOULD play it gay. If he camped you with tornado during jumps and up-B OOS every time you approached you'd get *****. The fact that you say he's NOT playing it gay means he's not approaching the matchup properly.
dash away pivot grab, angling the shield to dash attack/ftilt/fsmash, or well timed up B out of shield all beat tornado but each of them has its own risks.
All of Peach's methods of stopping the tornado rely on her being grounded. He just has to tornado every time you jump.
floating at like falco head height the dair will beat grounded up B every time np.
He should up-B OOS in between your dairs or even during.
Now NY is seriously considering banning the G&W/ZSS combo in teams just because of the bucket strategy. No joke.
I've learned to ignore everything NY does. Seriously, give it no further thought. NY also banned the DDD infinite, have a DK as their dominant player, at one point banned the Ice Climbers chaingrab, and ban Jungle Japes and several other universally legal stages.
Above all, NY has Inui; the primary reason not to take them seriously. They're easily the most ban happy region (Texas may have banned MK at one tournament, but they haven't banned half as many stages or techniques).