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Peach Weekly Match-Up Discussion - Forever Outdated :(
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PRINCESS PEACH777
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But you said she had an 60-40 or a 55-45 D:
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PRINCESS PEACH777
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oh sorry my bad XD
MK26
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Well, sorry if I'm late answering this. But I never leave someone hanging like I did to you HG.
Here's a quote from a ROB main in their matchup thread.Peach's slap, dtilt, ftilt, and fsmash will clank with it. Technically her usmash and utilt(maybe? this move is kinda weird) would as well, though that's never going to happen due to the position of the hitboxes. Priority is kinda misunderstood in this game (still <_______>). Ground A move priority in Brawl is determined by damage. If an attack does over 10 damage more than another attack it will override it; otherwise they will clank. Snake's utilt does only 13 damage (very low considering the knockback (
) it has ), so it's actually pretty easy to clank with.
Hitboxes and hurtboxes can't been seen in Brawl, so how do you know that kirby's hurtbox isn't in his legs? What kind of testing has been done to prove this? How do you know peach's aren't :/? Her bair has been said to be disjointed due to it's ability to hit through a lot despite it's range.... I'm not sure if it actually is though. (note to self: look into it)
Sounds disjointed enough to you?
Bair > all
Video proof. U happy now?
deepseadiva
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Isn't Peach's bair rumored to be disjointed or something?
Somebody test it against Kirby's.
Somebody test it against Kirby's.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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MK26, Kirby input from someone who mains the character is great and all and we all appreciate it but...you make it sound like Peach should go and kill herself until she loses all her stocks to save her the hassle
Up Tilt, yes this move has very odd hitboxes but I have yet to see Peach's aerials actually get beaten by it (the best I've ever seen was Peach's Dair trading hits with Kirby) Giving us videos and quotes about another character...isn't exactly solid proof. Videos and Peach quotes showing Kirby's Up Tilt beats all of her aerials would be much much more helpful
The majority of Kirby's moves can be Toaded very well. If I'm getting battered off the edge, I'm more likely to pull out Toad then try to space a Fair. Well used Turnips will give Kirby a lot of hassle as well
Moving back onto Wolf...
Up Tilt, yes this move has very odd hitboxes but I have yet to see Peach's aerials actually get beaten by it (the best I've ever seen was Peach's Dair trading hits with Kirby) Giving us videos and quotes about another character...isn't exactly solid proof. Videos and Peach quotes showing Kirby's Up Tilt beats all of her aerials would be much much more helpful
The majority of Kirby's moves can be Toaded very well. If I'm getting battered off the edge, I'm more likely to pull out Toad then try to space a Fair. Well used Turnips will give Kirby a lot of hassle as well
Moving back onto Wolf...
hotgarbage
Smash Lord
No worries
Well, when it comes to the utilt I was talking about ground A move priority, not it being disjointed or not
. But anyways ground A vs. air A works differently, in that the first move to contact the other player's hurtbox "wins". Yeah though, first off I didn't know his utilt had so much range o____o. It does look like the hurtbox isn't in his feet (at least the upper portion) though with the utilt, so yeah, it looks disjointed.Will do 8]. I think I'll also test it against marth's fair, as it doesn't make since (to me) how her bair could hit through (assuming that's what's happening) it so much.
Peach's back air has the amazing propery of moving Peach while you use it. So it's possible that when you use it, you drop a hitbox somewhere different where she ends up using the move. (The move really does move her a lot, there's a thread on it)
Peachkid
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Not only does the bair move her, but her fair moves considerably far as well, im not sure if it gains less distance than the bair but it moves her as well
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
It hits twice too... so if the first hit is whiffed/etc, then you can probably hit with a weak bair!
(Yes, I like pointing out the obvious)
(Yes, I like pointing out the obvious)
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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Sorry for moving back but...I've just had a match with Wario and I as far as I was aware, F Tilt beat out all his aerials. Fair, Bair, Dair...I just stood in one place at one point and spammed F Tilt.
Furthur testing needs to be done but if F Tilt does beat out Wario's aerials, this could be invaluable against a pesky airborne Wario
Furthur testing needs to be done but if F Tilt does beat out Wario's aerials, this could be invaluable against a pesky airborne Wario
Villi
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Peach vs. Wario:
PEACH: Hai! *spams ftilt*
WARIO: *bites Peach's foot* Now step on my cubes!
PEACH: *Steps on Wario's cubes.*
WARIO: Thank youuuuuu! Thank youuuuuuuuu!
~ fin
Peach's bair moves you further still if you attempt a double hitter.
As for the Wolf matchup... All I know is he hates dairs out of shield. Like, a LOT. Especially if he's dsmash happy.
PEACH: Hai! *spams ftilt*
WARIO: *bites Peach's foot* Now step on my cubes!
PEACH: *Steps on Wario's cubes.*
WARIO: Thank youuuuuu! Thank youuuuuuuuu!
~ fin
Peach's bair moves you further still if you attempt a double hitter.
As for the Wolf matchup... All I know is he hates dairs out of shield. Like, a LOT. Especially if he's dsmash happy.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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Well...I was kind of messing around when I was spamming F Tilt
Proper use of F Tilt though could work well against Wario and his aerials...needs some testing. Surely Bite wouldn't be close enough to work?
Proper use of F Tilt though could work well against Wario and his aerials...needs some testing. Surely Bite wouldn't be close enough to work?
Villi
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He could randomly bite instead of an aerial attack, but if ftilt does indeed beat his aerials then it's a good thing. Just didn't to have the impression that it was a full-proof defense.
XD
So, I found a video of Me VS TC1, when I was beating him, on the Japanese Youtube, aaaand, a comment said; "Wow! They are really skilled!" And another below it said. "No, the Peach is so bad, that the peach is making the mario look good."
Dayum. Japanese players don't spare any expense to rip ya a new one, eh?
Anyway, back on wolf. Wolf gets ***** by Dairs. AS does everybody.
/fin.
So, I found a video of Me VS TC1, when I was beating him, on the Japanese Youtube, aaaand, a comment said; "Wow! They are really skilled!" And another below it said. "No, the Peach is so bad, that the peach is making the mario look good."
Dayum. Japanese players don't spare any expense to rip ya a new one, eh?
Anyway, back on wolf. Wolf gets ***** by Dairs. AS does everybody.
/fin.
Wow so I played two Wolf's in tourney today, very odd after like, never playing any. Few things I learned.
1) Turnips are too good. He gets reflector happy if you hold on in ur hand, which in case you get free hits off if you bait it correctly. What I learned to do was throw the turnip and purposely miss him then forward air, it works well. Because it's still good even if he doesn't shine to hit him if he jumps.
2) F tilt is so good in this matchup!!! It would beat him out when he tried to back air. If I saw him full hop I'd run under him and try to jump and up air instead.
3) Those gimps are super important. All you need is one a set. I think if you get one gimp per match off I think Peach can overcome the rest of the advantages Wolf has on her.
1) Turnips are too good. He gets reflector happy if you hold on in ur hand, which in case you get free hits off if you bait it correctly. What I learned to do was throw the turnip and purposely miss him then forward air, it works well. Because it's still good even if he doesn't shine to hit him if he jumps.
2) F tilt is so good in this matchup!!! It would beat him out when he tried to back air. If I saw him full hop I'd run under him and try to jump and up air instead.
3) Those gimps are super important. All you need is one a set. I think if you get one gimp per match off I think Peach can overcome the rest of the advantages Wolf has on her.
Why were the comments in english?
Nobody ranked or particularly good, just typical tourney Wolfs.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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F Tilit is an excellent move vs Wolf, along with Dair and D Smash.
Would it be wise to perfect sheild Wolf's Blaster when approaching him?
Would it be wise to perfect sheild Wolf's Blaster when approaching him?
Peachkid
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possibly and then followed with a turnip, the lag on the blaster is pretty long so it could be a option if facing a campy wolf. but be ready for a fsmash if you glide toss towards him. so maybe eather just regularly throw it or glide toss backwards. but if your gonna toss it forwards be careful
but dair does wreck wolf, just like any of the fattys, fast fallers and snake. when i go wolf against a peach and i get caught in a dair chain. i usually take about 20+ damage just from the dairs and then a nice nair which is liek 32+ dmg
deepseadiva
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So FYI, the Lucarios are discussing Peach: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=176912&page=95
I'm saying she has the advantage, as I've mentioned before. Go discuss stuff.
! <3 the Lucario boards.
I'm saying she has the advantage, as I've mentioned before. Go discuss stuff.
! <3 the Lucario boards.
Peachkid
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hehehe. should i poison the lucario mains with the image of llamacario?
and be like
llamacario has a 100 0 matchup in his favor with lucario and peach XD
then add some actual useful info so i dont get banned for trolling lol
and be like
llamacario has a 100 0 matchup in his favor with lucario and peach XD
then add some actual useful info so i dont get banned for trolling lol
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we've posted llamacario like 6 times in our boards already, so if you really want to then go ahead.
Rickerdy-doo-da-day
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Seriously, I still don't get how Wolf has the advantage here.
You can Dair the crap out him, his recovery is horrible, his Blaster is slow, F Tilt can counter his Bair by the sounds of this, Peach's D Smash beats his..
Why is everyone considering he has the advantage?
You can Dair the crap out him, his recovery is horrible, his Blaster is slow, F Tilt can counter his Bair by the sounds of this, Peach's D Smash beats his..
Why is everyone considering he has the advantage?
PRINCESS PEACH777
Smash Lord
i do agree^^^^^^^^
so to be fair i will give 50-50 both of them are great
so to be fair i will give 50-50 both of them are great
Peachkid
Smash Champion
55-45 wolf minimum maybe stretching to 60-40 wolf.
peach's dsmash beats wolfs in speed, but wolfs has more range than peach's
most ppl say wolf has an advantage cause he can almost remove peach's aerial approches leaving her to fight on the ground which wolf has a much better ground game than she does. his smashes are pretty hard hitting mainly dsmash, but sense peach is so light fsmash can kill her easier. plus in the easiest way for peach to get a gimp on him would be probably by hitting him with the tennis racket or by peach bomber. those are her two main moves that send people almost completly horizontal. fair, maybe. but that can be DI'd at a really weird angle.now you have a 1/3 chance of getting a tennis racket and a pretty avoidable side b, but its her best gimp move against wolf. you can dair him to hell and back yes, but if he shields the dair he can nair or utilt faster than peach can dair. plus he has the reflector, which has invincibility frames PLUS disjointed hitboxes and has like no start up lag. one more thing tho, wolfs dthrow is a psudo-spike. anything spike related is bad for peach.
im to lazy to continue. but to sum up a peach mentality. baiting wolf is usually the best option. make him fsmash, then dair the crap out of him(T,T) and exploit the moves with horizontal knockback, space a side b to get him off the stagethen attempt to gimp him
peach's dsmash beats wolfs in speed, but wolfs has more range than peach's
most ppl say wolf has an advantage cause he can almost remove peach's aerial approches leaving her to fight on the ground which wolf has a much better ground game than she does. his smashes are pretty hard hitting mainly dsmash, but sense peach is so light fsmash can kill her easier. plus in the easiest way for peach to get a gimp on him would be probably by hitting him with the tennis racket or by peach bomber. those are her two main moves that send people almost completly horizontal. fair, maybe. but that can be DI'd at a really weird angle.now you have a 1/3 chance of getting a tennis racket and a pretty avoidable side b, but its her best gimp move against wolf. you can dair him to hell and back yes, but if he shields the dair he can nair or utilt faster than peach can dair. plus he has the reflector, which has invincibility frames PLUS disjointed hitboxes and has like no start up lag. one more thing tho, wolfs dthrow is a psudo-spike. anything spike related is bad for peach.
im to lazy to continue. but to sum up a peach mentality. baiting wolf is usually the best option. make him fsmash, then dair the crap out of him(T,T) and exploit the moves with horizontal knockback, space a side b to get him off the stagethen attempt to gimp him
Peachkid
Smash Champion
awww man... now it wont be as fun :\
I'm going with Peachkid on this, since he uses both characters a bunch as well as going with the general feel on Wolf advantage 55-45. Next up is Olimar.
PRINCESS PEACH777
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Oh well i guess i will go with you too then
Olimar....ok i will get some info XD
Olimar....ok i will get some info XD
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Olimar! One of the few, if not the only, easy match-up Peach has.
Diagonal-aerial approaches work wonders since none of his attacks (except one, UpB) cover that range. Dair combos can wreck him, but beware because he can shield+Utilt/smash off of it.
If he throws his Pikmin at you you can either: Bomber (it kills his Pikmin and you can follow up with a move after the impact), if you get him by them you can kill them with slaps very fast since they come out uber fast (or Dsmash), or you can Toad them and hit Olimar with the spores.
Olimar is very vulnerable offstage against the turnips. It only takes one turnip to gimp him if he wasted his second jump. He is also lighter than you, Usmash/Utilt KOs are ensured.
Diagonal-aerial approaches work wonders since none of his attacks (except one, UpB) cover that range. Dair combos can wreck him, but beware because he can shield+Utilt/smash off of it.
If he throws his Pikmin at you you can either: Bomber (it kills his Pikmin and you can follow up with a move after the impact), if you get him by them you can kill them with slaps very fast since they come out uber fast (or Dsmash), or you can Toad them and hit Olimar with the spores.
Olimar is very vulnerable offstage against the turnips. It only takes one turnip to gimp him if he wasted his second jump. He is also lighter than you, Usmash/Utilt KOs are ensured.
PRINCESS PEACH777
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We should wait intell the name of the thread changes.lol
Okay I finally got the changes made. Whew, this thread is ginonormous now, it takes awhile sifting through everything. Maybe someone can help me write up some of summaries if anyone wants to help from now on For match ups I understand really well, it can be real quick, but for Wolf I had really really read closely and spend awhile figuring out what's legit and whats not, haha.
For match ups I understand really well, it can be real quick, but for Wolf I had really really read closely and spend awhile figuring out what's legit and whats not, haha.
Niko_K
Smash Master
I'll definitely help you with the sifting of info. Just him me up on AIM so we can discuss it together
PRINCESS PEACH777
Smash Lord
Ok....lets do this....
When fighting against Olimar remember that he is basically that he is nothing without Pikmin in addition his only ranged offenesive attack is the Pikimn throw beyond that he must use close-range melee attacks any time you are at a distance be prepared to knock his Pikmin out of the air when they are thrown at you it's also possible to dodge them but a dodge allows the Pikmin to returnto Olimar attacking them can KO a Pikmin and force Olimar to use the Pikmin Pluck again.
When fighting against Olimar remember that he is basically that he is nothing without Pikmin in addition his only ranged offenesive attack is the Pikimn throw beyond that he must use close-range melee attacks any time you are at a distance be prepared to knock his Pikmin out of the air when they are thrown at you it's also possible to dodge them but a dodge allows the Pikmin to returnto Olimar attacking them can KO a Pikmin and force Olimar to use the Pikmin Pluck again.