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OLD, CLOSED Zero Suit Samus Video Thread (2/2/10)
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Dakpo
Smash Lord
pat this is the first i have seen you not know a match up :/ its all good though there are some major things i can tell you to tip the match up in your favor. I beat hylians IC and one of my best friends main him so i have tons of practice.
At the start its really a good idea to not get fancy with the armor and just chunk the first 2 parts forward and glide toss the third to get up closer (in case you did in fact split them which is what you are aiming for or you can pick up the armor) if they jump dont be dumb and continue to throw them straight.
first game you missed some down smash combos :/ fierce is absolutely right about grabbing when you land down smash. Not everytime of course but it still works. Really the advantage zss has on ic is her range. go into wifi mode and spam in the distance .
1:47....great thought. i do that a lot but it should have hit.
2:24 would have been the perfect trap for a pivot grab
2:36 Sv will catch you perfectly if you Down B spike its amazing
as much as it suck you gotta grab more or you get running shield *****
9:29 no down smash?
10:28 should be a stock any time they up B tether recover . Simply bait them to drop with Down smash (like you did) then drop of the edge when popo is being pulled up (DO NOT FAST FALL!!! you dont need to fast fall to effectively gimp popo and it doesn't put zss in such a bad situation if you don't kill/hit popo)
it takes practice but it makes the match up so much easier
10:37 the man him self said it as well up tilt=badbad idea but you now this.
General advice is to camp on that platform more. Why bother banning FD if your not even going to use the platforms? am i right? You bait the uair from ic and that leads into all sort of stuff, its really easy to block and if you sense the timing well enough just drop through the platform while air dodging and then you have ic stuck doing up air while you are under them (uair combos anyone?)
but of course this is not to say you didnt do anything right of course
0:27 was a really good set up
good job baiting him at 1:09
i dont know why 2:42 killed nana but hey it works
i also like when you run of the stage and up B then attack recover...risky but it works
you did a lot of other good stuff to but im to tired of typing to continue so keep it up pat you rockin that zss hard
P.S. try charging down smash more , it stops people who are used to Power shielding it.
At the start its really a good idea to not get fancy with the armor and just chunk the first 2 parts forward and glide toss the third to get up closer (in case you did in fact split them which is what you are aiming for or you can pick up the armor) if they jump dont be dumb and continue to throw them straight.
first game you missed some down smash combos :/ fierce is absolutely right about grabbing when you land down smash. Not everytime of course but it still works. Really the advantage zss has on ic is her range. go into wifi mode and spam in the distance .
1:47....great thought. i do that a lot but it should have hit.
2:24 would have been the perfect trap for a pivot grab
2:36 Sv will catch you perfectly if you Down B spike its amazing
as much as it suck you gotta grab more or you get running shield *****
9:29 no down smash?
10:28 should be a stock any time they up B tether recover . Simply bait them to drop with Down smash (like you did) then drop of the edge when popo is being pulled up (DO NOT FAST FALL!!! you dont need to fast fall to effectively gimp popo and it doesn't put zss in such a bad situation if you don't kill/hit popo)
it takes practice but it makes the match up so much easier
10:37 the man him self said it as well up tilt=badbad idea but you now this.
General advice is to camp on that platform more. Why bother banning FD if your not even going to use the platforms? am i right? You bait the uair from ic and that leads into all sort of stuff, its really easy to block and if you sense the timing well enough just drop through the platform while air dodging and then you have ic stuck doing up air while you are under them (uair combos anyone?)
but of course this is not to say you didnt do anything right of course
0:27 was a really good set up
good job baiting him at 1:09
i dont know why 2:42 killed nana but hey it works
i also like when you run of the stage and up B then attack recover...risky but it works
you did a lot of other good stuff to but im to tired of typing to continue so keep it up pat you rockin that zss hard
P.S. try charging down smash more , it stops people who are used to Power shielding it.
Tournament:
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Breez(MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJYSPmpNWPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVcYM8biHt8&feature=related
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Max113(Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4eE-MUYPk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRnMvkxeKH8
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Defender(Bowser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRnMvkxeKH8
Friendlies:
Cheeszeman(ZSS)/Asa(Ness) vs IHT/Grape (Various)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkPk3DXa_r4 - Forbidden team technique : 4th impact no jutsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-863k_-tQyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG527U5WZQM
Cheeszeman(ZSS)/Asa(Ness) vs T-Pagne(DK)/Cedrick(DK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fA1Ft-Jts - Forbidden team technique - 4th imipact no jutsu
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Breez(MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJYSPmpNWPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVcYM8biHt8&feature=related
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Max113(Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4eE-MUYPk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRnMvkxeKH8
Cheeszeman(ZSS) vs Defender(Bowser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRnMvkxeKH8
Friendlies:
Cheeszeman(ZSS)/Asa(Ness) vs IHT/Grape (Various)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkPk3DXa_r4 - Forbidden team technique : 4th impact no jutsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-863k_-tQyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG527U5WZQM
Cheeszeman(ZSS)/Asa(Ness) vs T-Pagne(DK)/Cedrick(DK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_fA1Ft-Jts - Forbidden team technique - 4th imipact no jutsu
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Shaky
Smash Ace
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The 4th Impact combo is property of the team Fourth Impact composed of NickRiddle and Shaky, and people who use the term infringe our rights and will suffer the consequences. But really, I'm glad the term is being used by other people though, just don't forget to acknowledge the creators :D
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Low % Bair Combos (Strings)
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZsiyAadSWo
Probably nothing new
- Just wanted to upload a few sexy but not so reliable strings
using Bair at low %'s.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZsiyAadSWo
Probably nothing new
- Just wanted to upload a few sexy but not so reliable strings
using Bair at low %'s.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
If only this game had hitsun =(
Hey Z1GMA! Little known fact, paralyzer does NOT induce a jablock bouncing state (whatever that's called), it just looks like it. Snake could have rolled out of that.
Hey Z1GMA! Little known fact, paralyzer does NOT induce a jablock bouncing state (whatever that's called), it just looks like it. Snake could have rolled out of that.
I see. I had no clue.
Yeah, it really looks exactly the same.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Actually SFP, I believe I was wrong about that. I'll test to make absolutely sure, but from what I understand now, nB does jablock at any percent, however if you hit an opponent with nB as they're lying on the ground it has the same animation, but does not jab lock obviously
Shaky
Smash Ace
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Asa, you're playing Ness how he's meant to be played with aerials and spacing. I recommend you use full hop nair more since it's really good and try to use smashes more since they do have their uses. Shuffle wouldn't hurt your playstyle (2 aerials in one short hop) either, but that's about all I have for you.
Ye, normaly jablocks needs specific timing,
or they won't force a stand-up.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
So Nick vs DEHF was recorded by someone right?
solecalibur
Smash Master
Did any MLG matches get recorded >.>
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Hopefully, VGBootCamp had someone record the matches through camcorder like at Columbus.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Some more vids. For people who the matches I posted earlier against Sake, I'd be interested in how you felt these videos compared. I post these because he's one probably the player I struggle the most against, besides Choice, and I think he has the ZSS matchup down so I can't rely on dumb stuff.
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Snake) 1
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Snake) 2
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Metaknight)
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Snake) 1
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Snake) 2
NefB (ZSS) vs Sake (Metaknight)
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Okay, I'm in the mood to critique stuff, so I went onto that channel and looked up videos of you from the same upload date. I will be critiquing them. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi6JHheJYos
0:52
A shielding f-smash can ALWAYS be grabbed, even a normal shield from behind.
2:11
Perfect time for a DA lock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbad48_89iM
Other than missing almost every d-smash follow-up, you played really well. You even wiggle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9-6AUtkao
0:50
Hold down to not grab the ledge, and spike that guy!
It would have been worth it viewing your %s.
You know, you go from NOT grabbing MK at all, who does less damage on a miss, to grabbing like 7-8 times, and landing one of them. I don't know about you, but this seems like a pretty big problem to me.
There were more, but I couldn't find anything to comment about. The only thing I have to say now, is that your punishing needs a little work. A marth whiffing an up-b should result in that Marth taking damage.
You're actually really good though.
<3
I have no idea why I didn't critique all the ones you gave, but it might be because I am falling asleep on my computer... WOOHOO!
LanceStern
Smash Lord
Again I don't play ZSS, but I can offer thoughts on what I saw:
VIDEO #1
Watching the first video I just want to say congratulations! It looks like you definitely kept advice in mind and didn't let Sake camp you. Instead of staying across the stage letting him pull grenades and set traps, you was in his face and made him sweat. To be honest, I saw nothing ridiculously wrong strategic wise:
+ You kept the battle right in his face. It's too bad he's really good up close but that was the risk to take instead of letting him control the map with projectiles and mines
+ You punished his mistakes better. I think there was 1 or 2 mixups where there was a better option, but all in all because of your more agressive spacing, you could make him pay for whiffed attacks and even spotdodges! He almost looked a little out of it trying to catch you.
+ Most importantly, you covered your offense well and mixed it up. It's really dangerous fighting snake and a few times I thought he was going to punish your fsmash or aerials with a grab/tilt, but you spaced them well or had an extra jump or uair hidden in there or covered yourself with a jab/uptilt. Then you surprise him with (not one) but two dash attack locks, a nair for an approach (lol) and spacing fairs and bairs while he's trying to recover. I was very impressed.
- The grabs are too risky I think. It's a grea tmixup to punish him shielding all the time, but for some reason he's just really good at spotdodging them. Do you have any attacks that would make him think you are following up with another attack so he's guaranteed to shield?
I can't even say what you did wrong in the match except that when you lost your second stock you went in fishing for the KO and he started baiting you better. The thing is with the offense you was taking, I can't knock you for it because you couldn't just let him sit there. He also slowly took control of the stage again with grenades, but you saw that anyways.
I guess I would say be a little more cautious at KO percents if possible when the stocks are tied. Maybe make him approach by throwing out some safe nBs or forward Bs. But overall I was impressed.
VIDEO #2
- Spacing in general was iffy. I think after he was catching on to the fast falling aerials maybe you should have tried short hop retreating aerials instead. Everytime you tried to make him backoff he punished. You also missed dsmashes and a lot of attacks right in front of him, and he punished hard.
- No fault of your own, but he almost always had control of the center of the stage... your back was against the edge most of the match and that wore you down.
- Your whiffed grabs were painful to watch. And it isn't like you were predictable with them, he was too good this match.
Honestly when I think of it, that's probably a good example of ZSS's weakness of shield pressure and people in her face in general. You can't really get them out of your face except with forward Bs and some utilts, but on such a small stage it was rendered useless..
He was too good for you on this stage. It looked like the tight quarters unnerved you a little and he controlled the map disgustingly well. Probably should never choose this stage against him haha
On a side note:
Do you think Sake is better than you with your armor pieces? That could have helped you a little more to at least make him feel pressured. In game 1 it could have been a boost to help win (not sure).
VIDEO #1
Watching the first video I just want to say congratulations! It looks like you definitely kept advice in mind and didn't let Sake camp you. Instead of staying across the stage letting him pull grenades and set traps, you was in his face and made him sweat. To be honest, I saw nothing ridiculously wrong strategic wise:
+ You kept the battle right in his face. It's too bad he's really good up close but that was the risk to take instead of letting him control the map with projectiles and mines
+ You punished his mistakes better. I think there was 1 or 2 mixups where there was a better option, but all in all because of your more agressive spacing, you could make him pay for whiffed attacks and even spotdodges! He almost looked a little out of it trying to catch you.
+ Most importantly, you covered your offense well and mixed it up. It's really dangerous fighting snake and a few times I thought he was going to punish your fsmash or aerials with a grab/tilt, but you spaced them well or had an extra jump or uair hidden in there or covered yourself with a jab/uptilt. Then you surprise him with (not one) but two dash attack locks, a nair for an approach (lol) and spacing fairs and bairs while he's trying to recover. I was very impressed.
- The grabs are too risky I think. It's a grea tmixup to punish him shielding all the time, but for some reason he's just really good at spotdodging them. Do you have any attacks that would make him think you are following up with another attack so he's guaranteed to shield?
I can't even say what you did wrong in the match except that when you lost your second stock you went in fishing for the KO and he started baiting you better. The thing is with the offense you was taking, I can't knock you for it because you couldn't just let him sit there. He also slowly took control of the stage again with grenades, but you saw that anyways.
I guess I would say be a little more cautious at KO percents if possible when the stocks are tied. Maybe make him approach by throwing out some safe nBs or forward Bs. But overall I was impressed.
VIDEO #2
- Spacing in general was iffy. I think after he was catching on to the fast falling aerials maybe you should have tried short hop retreating aerials instead. Everytime you tried to make him backoff he punished. You also missed dsmashes and a lot of attacks right in front of him, and he punished hard.
- No fault of your own, but he almost always had control of the center of the stage... your back was against the edge most of the match and that wore you down.
- Your whiffed grabs were painful to watch. And it isn't like you were predictable with them, he was too good this match.
Honestly when I think of it, that's probably a good example of ZSS's weakness of shield pressure and people in her face in general. You can't really get them out of your face except with forward Bs and some utilts, but on such a small stage it was rendered useless..
He was too good for you on this stage. It looked like the tight quarters unnerved you a little and he controlled the map disgustingly well. Probably should never choose this stage against him haha
On a side note:
Do you think Sake is better than you with your armor pieces? That could have helped you a little more to at least make him feel pressured. In game 1 it could have been a boost to help win (not sure).
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
I appreciate the critiques guys
Last time you critiqued my vids against Snake you said to implement instant throwing. I haven't really done that, mostly because for some reason it's awkward inputs for me, to do it while rising atleast. Can you point out any instances where I could have really used this tech?
Sake is good with items, but I think Snake is harder than most to control with the pieces for those reasons.
I missed the chance to infinite him too, dsmashing him out of his bike, I duno how it can get more obvious that that lol. This is a big problem for me, I never practice dsmash followups because they're "guaranteed", but I'm changing that.
Are you calling me fat? (wiggling?)
I agree, I think it's just that I feel I need the grab more in the Snake matchup than the MK matchup, so I was being way too risky about it. I'm also in a phase where I'm trying to use grab more, so I have been punished for it a lot because I'm trying to push the envelope to see how much we can actually use it.
You're not too bad either I hear
Last time you critiqued my vids against Snake you said to implement instant throwing. I haven't really done that, mostly because for some reason it's awkward inputs for me, to do it while rising atleast. Can you point out any instances where I could have really used this tech?
This is like, my favorite thing to do with ZSS ever. ***** falco btw
It's actually a pretty good approach as far as ZSS approaches go. Not great against Snake though.
This is true. I wouldn't say I get antsy for kills, but I've noticed a lot of times I will only use kill moves at kill percents. With ZS it's not the same as if Fox was only throwing out Usmashes, but kills are so much easier to land from a weaker hit like dtilt or DA
Yeah I'm striking halberd in the future lol, that match was frustrating. That plat height and the slope on the air part of the stage are both really good for snake, especially since he was being smart and crouching.
What I've noticed against Snake is that 1. His huge hitboxes cancel out suitpieces really easily 2. He only needs to hit you once to knock you far enough away that he can take control of any suitpieces you had around you. Nades are also disruptive because the pieces can set them off in my face if I'm letting them bounce around, which leads to him taking control.
Sake is good with items, but I think Snake is harder than most to control with the pieces for those reasons.
Really? I think nair approaching is good agaisnt Snake because, if he is caught without a grenade (which granted, may not be often, but forget about that for a moment), both still and retreating nair are perfectly safe on shield. Outside of grab range and a possible frame trap with dtilt, as well as leading into pivot and grab mixups.
Space bettaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D
LanceStern
Smash Lord
The spacing was great on match 1, match 2 didn't seem like you could do much. But that's an A+ stage for Snake anyways o_o
Btw I noticed you jabbed a little more often than you usually do. I wanted to suggest using it more because it's so fast, but for some reason it looks like snakes jab beats it? Can all characters hit you by the third jab or were you not holding A?
Btw I noticed you jabbed a little more often than you usually do. I wanted to suggest using it more because it's so fast, but for some reason it looks like snakes jab beats it? Can all characters hit you by the third jab or were you not holding A?
He missed a lot of opportunities due to botched spacing.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Lance jab 3 is powershieldable by 2/3s of the cast, which allows punishments, in Snakes case either a tilt or grab. Jab 1 to mixups are good, and jab is good for gimping but other than that it's pretty bad in this matchup.
And I don't like nair against Snake because if he ftilts OOS he can hit unless you shield immediately afterwards. I don't really like a 50 50 situation in which one end is me getting ftilted and the other is me stuck shielding in Snake's face. That's assuming frame perfect everything though.
And I don't like nair against Snake because if he ftilts OOS he can hit unless you shield immediately afterwards. I don't really like a 50 50 situation in which one end is me getting ftilted and the other is me stuck shielding in Snake's face. That's assuming frame perfect everything though.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Wiggling is moving back and forth in the air, while falling, to make it harder to read your landing.
shlike
Smash Ace
recent vids
shlike vs espy (can barely see at times lol sorry) it was the last match in a crew battle
at a tourney in july
shlike vs dekar
first match was close, 2nd match I got ***** (I have no idea why I even picked RC. I'm terrible at it >.>)
I already know why I lost 2nd match, I kept trying to punish fair with utilt and I got punished EVERY time for whiffing it. Also I got item *****, so next time I'll just throw them away.
Any other critique would be great. Thank in advance guys.
shlike vs espy (can barely see at times lol sorry) it was the last match in a crew battle
at a tourney in july
shlike vs dekar
first match was close, 2nd match I got ***** (I have no idea why I even picked RC. I'm terrible at it >.>)
I already know why I lost 2nd match, I kept trying to punish fair with utilt and I got punished EVERY time for whiffing it. Also I got item *****, so next time I'll just throw them away.
Any other critique would be great. Thank in advance guys.
thespymachine
Smash Ace
OP has no videos after January of this year...... sadface.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Gotta look through the thread. :D
Or youtube.
Or youtube.
thespymachine
Smash Ace
Yeah, I know. I was being really nooby and lazy.
I found some good quality ones from May of.... Snakeee and a few low quality, from a camera, of you (NickRiddle) from Columbus.
I was just hoping that there would be easy access vids in the op. lol
I found some good quality ones from May of.... Snakeee and a few low quality, from a camera, of you (NickRiddle) from Columbus.
I was just hoping that there would be easy access vids in the op. lol
solecalibur
Smash Master
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
This is from my tourney last weekend. I pulled a Shlike against Zex ftl . He ***** me with his PT on brinstar game 2 though, Snakeee I feel your pain lol:
Zex (Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nos3uDu7Lo&feature=related
Fangfire (Wolf):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Dpovoqmc8&feature=related
Here are some friendlies from the same tourney:
Jeepy (Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYLgpQU-OY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFgGo798kI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5X0PtQ_uQ&feature=related
Michael Hey (MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twxIvP1oJY4&feature=related
I like the friendlies because A. Both players play just as gay as they do in tourney and B. I match up with both of them pretty well, atleast in those matchups (Michael is ******** good at this game).
. He ***** me with his PT on brinstar game 2 though, Snakeee I feel your pain lol:Zex (Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nos3uDu7Lo&feature=related
Fangfire (Wolf):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Dpovoqmc8&feature=related
Here are some friendlies from the same tourney:
Jeepy (Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYLgpQU-OY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFgGo798kI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5X0PtQ_uQ&feature=related
Michael Hey (MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twxIvP1oJY4&feature=related
I like the friendlies because A. Both players play just as gay as they do in tourney and B. I match up with both of them pretty well, atleast in those matchups (Michael is ******** good at this game).
shlike
Smash Ace
I lol'd.This is from my tourney last weekend. I pulled a Shlike against Zex ftl
10whiffedgrabs
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
No one has anything to say on those vids? I think they're the best I've posted so far, some critique would be much appreciated
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
check 4 posts up bro. Also I have matches vs Sky' up a page or two back as well
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