[01:26] <Stauffy> Anyways I'd say the best thing you can do is edgeguard agressively
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[01:26] <Stauffy> Since you really don't want Lucario living long
[01:26] <Nefarious> yeah i know your up b has that startup
[01:26] <Stauffy> Obviously nobody does but especially not ZSS
[01:29] <Nefarious> hmmm what's the best way to edgeguard lucario
[01:29] <Stauffy> Depends on how he's coming in
[01:30] <Nefarious> i was thinking probably going to go for a hit to knock you too far out, and if that doens't work edgehog and punish the lag on up b recovery to stage
[01:30] <Tedward> if above the stage line, lucario most of the time wont need to use his up-b
[01:30] <Nefarious> yeah i would break it up into 3 sections, how you recover high, at stage level, and below stage
[01:31] <Stauffy> Ideally he'll recover high enough to have no need for up-b
[01:31] <Nefarious> do you fast fall quickly?
[01:31] <Stauffy> No
[01:31] <Tedward> no
[01:31] <Stauffy> Not at all
[01:31] <Nefarious> so easy to juggle then
[01:31] <Tedward> really floaty
[01:31] <Nefarious> if we can get around dair
[01:31] <Stauffy> His best way to get down safely is to stall with dair
[01:31] <Stauffy> Which is iffy against ZSS. >>
[01:31] <Nefarious> yeah
[01:31] <Nefarious> up b hurts any kinda air stalling pretty bad
[01:32] <Stauffy> Uair worries me more
[01:32] <Stauffy> If you time dair just right it actually clanks with up-b lol
[01:32] <Nefarious> well yeah and she can bait the airdodge with a boost jump then uair the lag
[01:32] <Nefarious> oh good to know
[01:32] <Stauffy> Which is pretty funny to see
[01:32] <DJBrowny> stale the uair... doesnt bother me. remove one of your best KO options against lucario lol
[01:32] <Nefarious> so it just goes through you or what
[01:32] <Stauffy> Yeah pretty much
[01:32] <Stauffy> Stomp stomp
[01:32] <Nefarious> DJ uair isn't a great kill move to be honest
[01:33] <Nefarious> it's much better for comboing
[01:33] <DJBrowny> i know... but what set ups have u got to KO lucario
[01:33] <Nefarious> unless it's a low stage i guess
[01:33] <DJBrowny> good luck getting a dsmash
[01:33] <Nefarious> yeah
[01:33] <DJBrowny> u wont be trapping landing lag with it often
[01:33] <Nefarious> well i doubt anyone has actual setups to kills on lucario
[01:33] <Tedward> considering Nair autocancles and Fair is a sudo cancle
[01:33] <Stauffy> How is that
[01:34] <Stauffy>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzb3JJdZbpA
[01:34] <DJBrowny> ted, in one of my vids i put up i swear i got uair to AC
[01:34] <DJBrowny> ill fine it...
[01:34] <DJBrowny> find
[01:34] <Stauffy> Anyways
[01:34] <Stauffy> If he's NOT coming in high
[01:35] <Stauffy> Your best options are dsmash, bair or edgehogging and then punishing landing lag
[01:35] <Nefarious> how significant is the landing lag on up b
[01:35] <Stauffy> Depends
[01:35] <Nefarious> and do you even have landing lag if you do the wall jump thing?
[01:36] <Stauffy> No
[01:36] <Stauffy> If he up-b's onto the stage from stage level he can cancel most of the landing lag
[01:36] <Nefarious> ah
[01:37] <Stauffy> If he's recovering from below and has to curve onto the stage it's more significant
[01:37] <Nefarious> hmmm im thinking maybe it would be a good idea to save bair for the kill now, i duno
[01:37] <Stauffy> So edgehog is your best bet if he's recovering from below
[01:38] <Stauffy> If he's recovering from stage level, either bair him during the startup for up-b or dsmash if he tries to go for the ledge without using up-b