sheikamaru
jive
Friendlies do matter lol
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Official Texas Power Rankings! - Updated June 15, 2012
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Zigsta
Disney Film Director
WTF bassem, what are you doing on SWF?!
Esca
Smash Champion
Denti beat Dphat? DANG
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
friendlies matter?
brb better than everyone
brb better than everyone
Sanji Himura
Smash Journeyman
You just love to rag on tournaments that are not really "community" approved, do you not?
Let me retrace the whole day for those of you ignorant masses who think on rumors rather than take it straight from the horses mouth, MINE!
Point 1- Registration and seeding: Yes, I did say when I advertised this tournament that I would do my seeding by location, rather by skill. But the rest of the story is that I chatted up my tournament pro and a TO in the midwest a few hours before registration started about the arguement about seeding by skill, and after some thought, decided to reseed everyone by skill with a location secondary filter. How exactly did I find the seeding values? I asked everyone who did NOT pre-register if they were on any power rankings. If they said yes, I would look them up in the Texas power rankings(This Power Rankings), and assign them their skill number based on their tier. S tier would be ten, A tier would be 9, B rank 8, C rank 7, D rank 6, E rank 5, F rank and unranked 4. This resulted in the seedings that you saw, not straight location seeding.
Point 2- Refunds: Yes, I was forced to cancel every other tournament EXCEPT Melee Singles. The registration period was to register for ALL events, not just Brawl Singles. Some of you did take advantage of the registration period, like Infinity, to register for multiple events, but sad to say, about half of the attendees didn't even know that I was offering other events unless I called for them, like Doubles. It is pathetic that I was even forced to cancel that because I didn't get enough teams to register for that.
I advertised this tournament three months in advance on Facebook, here, and gave updates on twitter to build hype. If there is an event that didn't happen, it is also on you.
Point 3- The d4ba situation: Let me bring up the tournament definition of stalling:
Stalling: The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable. Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling, while using an infinite to run out the timer rather than to score a KO is. As such, any infinite chain-grabs, locks, etc. cannot exceed 300%.
You noticed that when Brawl 3.0 was up, this was exactly word for word for what Stalling is. The part in emphasis is what I want to emphasis on and apply it to the main situation.
Yes, when Infinity called me over, he and I did discuss at length about applying a LGL to the rules, but what did d4ba do exactly to lose two stocks and ultimately the set? Despite word coming from the tournament, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with a lack of a LGL. If it was, then it would be Denti be putting on the salt Sunday morning, not d4ba.
A few questions:
1. Did d4ba not, under his own volition, deliberately avoided combat in order to run out the clock and force sudden death overtime?
2. Did d4ba not, under his own volition, by the end positioning his character, did run away not for the purpose of gaining a better position to conduct combat, but to run away to run out the clock?
3. Did d4ba not, under his own volition by the end position of his character, simply made the game unplayable?
If you answered yes to even one of these questions, then you have saw what I have seen at that game.
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
No, you're just not a good TO.
I didn't read the rest of your post; I will later.
DallasPhat
Smash Master
TBH sean he wasn't even a poor TO, the tournament ran smoothly and ended very quickly, matches were called immediately and no TV were open the entire time. And just because he didn't run the standard rule set doesn't mean he's a poor TO. If you didn't like the rules Sean then you shouldn't attend. If a TO going out of his way to set up a tournament for everyone then I believe he has the right to determine what rules he implement.
Edit: only reason I was upset was because I was unsure of my limitations. EG: Ledge grab limit.
Edit: only reason I was upset was because I was unsure of my limitations. EG: Ledge grab limit.
-RedShadow
Smash Ace
*sigh*
welp
welp
1. It is very hard to say someone is avoiding conflict. Do you expect d4ba to fight threw an onslaught of pikmin, risking damage? He could sit on the ledge and be safe. In the other hand, Denti could have approach d4ba on the ledge, correct? But that would be disadvantageous for him as well. Both players were avoiding conflict.
2. Running out the clock is illegal or against the rules? This topic is invalid, and merely a side-effect of another topic: stalling.
3. How was it unplayable? Olimar can still move and do everything that he could do normally, or am I wrong? Is he really not able to play the game anymore? Imo, putting the game in an unplayable state is equivalent to unpluggling the controller (you can no longer player). Or am I missing something?
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Sanji, I appreciate your efforts to run tournaments. There aren't many who step up to the challenge. However, there's one thing you have to understand: the smash community is large and strong. They are accustom to a certain ruleset that's been tried and tested for a few years now. When you launch your own tournament with your own custom rules (and I have nothing against that), it is very important to clarify as much as you can (preferably using the smash lingo aka. "planking"). This helps you and the community understand the rules of your tournament with the least amount of conflict.
Problem2
Smash Champion
This issue here is the reason why I do not like the blanket "no stalling" rule. It is so often and so easily misinterpretted. (or rather, the community actually wrote the rule differently from what they practice)
The following are punishable actions:
-Homing attack stall underneath the stage as Sonic
-Grabbing the ledge too many times (a ledge grab limit is enforced by the TO before the tournament).
-Not ending a chain grab by 300%
-Gliding back and forth underneath the ledge. (the limit is you can do it twice without hitting anyone. You must hit your opponent before gliding underneath the stage anymore.)
-Any use of extending Metaknight's dimensional cape.
The point is, even though TO's always put "no stalling" as a rule, the players expect all the specific examples to be listed or they will consider it fair game. In this case, you forgot to instate a ledge grab limit. If you follow these guidelines, I'm sure your next tournament will run without conflict. From how it sounds, you did everything else right.
The following are punishable actions:
-Homing attack stall underneath the stage as Sonic
-Grabbing the ledge too many times (a ledge grab limit is enforced by the TO before the tournament).
-Not ending a chain grab by 300%
-Gliding back and forth underneath the ledge. (the limit is you can do it twice without hitting anyone. You must hit your opponent before gliding underneath the stage anymore.)
-Any use of extending Metaknight's dimensional cape.
The point is, even though TO's always put "no stalling" as a rule, the players expect all the specific examples to be listed or they will consider it fair game. In this case, you forgot to instate a ledge grab limit. If you follow these guidelines, I'm sure your next tournament will run without conflict. From how it sounds, you did everything else right.
Youre right! What AM I doing? */disappear*
Gnes
Smash Master
Firstly, planking in itself has never been stalling. It's only been a tech that puts mk in a EXTREMELY advantageous position. Not UNPLAYABLE.
Second, Timing out the clock is not against the rules, i dont see the point in putting that. Its not even against the rules in other competitive fighters.
Third, running the clock is not synonymous with stalling/making the game unplayable.
All you saw what the output of your rules. You don't have a lgl, people are gonna plank and put themselves in the best position possible to win. That's why TO's put them.
/(wk)
Problem2
Smash Champion
those examples i listed are the main forms of stallimg i hear about. Out of curiosity, have you tried timing someone out with it?
1. Planking isn't a technique, it's a blanket term for repetitive regrabbing of the ledge.
2. Timing out is legit.
3. Whodunit?
I also just wanna say: Infinity DON'T TELL TO'S about planking anymore! Ruins it for the D's (Damien, Dphat, DMG). I like planking friendly environments.
and utDzac
This has been discussed several dozen times before, Problem.
It's impractical for more than half of Sonic's match ups, and it's very easy to handle for almost all of the characters on almost all of the levels (only viable levels this is reasonably abuse-able on are Final Destination and MAYBE Lylat Cruise).
It's impractical for more than half of Sonic's match ups, and it's very easy to handle for almost all of the characters on almost all of the levels (only viable levels this is reasonably abuse-able on are Final Destination and MAYBE Lylat Cruise).
Dojo
Smash Champion
And Dojeezyyyyy.
Also the blanket stalling rule is butt. Timing somebody out a legitimate tactic and planking without a LGL is one as well.
We enforce the rules we have to keep things like this from happening. Nobody likes planking (except for those ***s that do it <3) but it's a legitimate tactic without a ruling against it in place. Because stalling tactics are such a huge part of this game, we actually need rules in place for specific things that are actually considered broken or overpowered. Planking/scrooging are OP as **** which is why we have a specific rule to discourage it as much as possible without punishing players who play the character.
Sanji, IMO you need a large rework of hyping your tournaments and appealing to the community. The community as a whole has worked very hard to establish a strong ruleset Being a TO is hard work and I respect you for the effort.
You did fine on keeping the tournament running effectively (although we didn't run doubles which would of easily added a couple of hours at least), but I saw no attempts to really hype this tournament outside of your thread which easily could have turned it from a 22 to a 44 man tournament. Also you HAVE to appeal to what the people want. You have to give everybody a reason to want to come to your tournament. People are traveling hundreds of miles and spending money to travel across our state so you have to give them a reason to want to be here. I more than likely won't be attending another one of your events unless you make some significant changes.
Gnes
Smash Master
Dmg, u cant plank anyone without going to tourneys.
/(wk)
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Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
sanji, if you need help. im def willing to.
Sync.
Smash Champion
Yes I am too Sanji. Personally when I read the ruleset, I kind of knew something was going to happen (ask Gnes) so I'm not really surprised. We thank you as a state and community for running a tournament but your custom ruleset (nothing wrong with having one) needs to speak in language of the game it's governing. If you run another event, I'll see if I can attend to help you run the tournament (from what I've heard it sounds like it was smoothly run albeit a lot of events were canceled).
ruin`
Smash Journeyman
smash community so strong bruh. Most of us aren't adults or take responsibility for our actions. lulz. Not much to say about this tourny other than a couple valuable lessons.
Don't do something without being mostly aware of the consequences.
Respect your elders ;P
btw, lulz on dphat going in. $ brings out the best in people ;P
Don't do something without being mostly aware of the consequences.
Respect your elders ;P
btw, lulz on dphat going in. $ brings out the best in people ;P
DallasPhat
Smash Master
DAMN DENTI removing all his previous posts? LMFAO!!!
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Denti, don't be scared of DPhat! The worst thing he'll do to you is snore really loudly.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
DMG, you forgot the crit hax. Gotta have that DPhat Luck.
Fogo
Smash Shinigami
Sanji, I hate you
r flagrant avoidance of the use of contractions.
Sync.
Smash Champion
ROFL Fogo!!
Big Boss
Smash Journeyman
Dude, his Snore attack is pretty bad. I remember that one time at Sync's (Hobo28).The worst thing he'll do to you is snore really loudly.
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
i slept in the same room as him at hobo 31 and he didnt snore.
sheikamaru
jive
hobo or whobo? why would you sleep at hobo mang?
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
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At syncs house before hobo 31*
At syncs house before hobo 31*
Big Boss
Smash Journeyman
.................
At Sync's house before Hobo 28*
At Sync's house before Hobo 28*
sheikamaru
jive
what he said ^^
Gnes
Smash Master
Zac will update when he's ready. Stop posting about it
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