Warning; Long post ahead.
...SO the character of Paper Mario is unique because he has generic, 1st grade art projects as sidekicks that can help in battle...I'm not seeng how any of them make him unique outside of visual standards.
Throeu would just be Olimar's pikmin grab, the bomb one would just be Link's bomb.
The partners don't make him unique to play as, they make him unique looking. His partners wouldn't be the basis for his entire moveset and fit hey were they would all serve he same funtion just with diferent animation and maybe slightly varying damage/Knockback.
Unless we mean the old school ones, in which case they lose the bein generic and 1st grade-ish but still retain the same in-game functions, just looking really different. (And he is still Mario, and Boshi is just a punk Yoshi)
Uh, yeah, I'm suggesting the older looking ones. Still, they could easily do things (Goombella headbonking people while you're fighting with your hammer and spike boots) Partner's wouldn't just sit there; They'd be doing there respective attacks and you would be able to see there health meter too. PM Could have 5 Partner's, and then some flaw like If all of them die, he's left alone, thus making you have to use them to the best of there ability while they're still alive.
Seriously - If that doesn't have potential to be different from anything in smash so far then not much does, but truth be told It'd take files for all those partner's and overall just to much work, but still, you can't tell me that all wouldn't make different from what we have now.
It's seriously IC's + Pokemon Trainer format mixed into a whole new way. THAT'S Why people (Like myself) Would want him, but as said, he just simply isn't as relevant to the whole series and not requested enough.
But we still do need a Mario RPG Stage along with a ton of Mario RPG Music.
Also, Fourside should indeed returrn (favorite melee course), Saria's song and anything from OoT for songs, stages, or extras should return (Best Zelda to date [Way better than Twilight princess])
Yeah. Mother had a lack of music and they can't even put this on the stage yet we get M1/2 from melee?
Heck, If possible, bring back most of Melee/64's soundtrack.
*GASP* I forgot TTYD!
I change my mind. Fith best game EVER.
Vivian was considered actually, if you saw that on the list I posted a while ago.
And that's another thing: You could appeal people who wanted supporting character's. For instance; I would LIKE TO HAVE A koopa as playable, but it isn't needed. PM Could very well make that a plausible idea.
...But alas, for reasons explained in this thread, he has no chances. (*checks mario trophies*)
NEW TOPIC: If you could have any pokemon character in smash 4, who would it be, and why.
(They have to have atleast some small chances, EX: No spiritomb or anything.)
Smeargle. My favorite poke ever and would just fit really cool...But he's far better off as a pokeball.
Mother does not need Claus to be complete. Claus is not the
protagonist of Mother 3, Lucas is. That's why Lucas is in and Claus is a palette swap.
We're suggesting The Masked Man form of Claus, just fyi.
Mother is not getting supporting characters. I am sorry but it is the way it is. Ness is the protagonist of Mother 2 and he even represents Mother 1 through his own physical likeness to Ninten, the protagonist of Mother 1... and Lucas is the main protagonist of Mother 3. That is why Mother is complete as is.
Really so? Toise and I consider a franchise complete when It doesn't have anymore character's requested and everything's fine with those. You'll see Daroach/Marx/Potato on how many serious roster's?
From the view I see; Claus is still rather requested. Moving on:
Even Fire Emblem is complete as is, too. All it really needs is the original protagonist (Marth) and the latest protagonist at the time (Roy/Ike/New Lord). At the time Melee was being developed, Marth was the protagonist of the original Fire Emblem and Roy was going to be the protagonist of the upcoming Fire Emblem on the GBA (the most recent game of the series at the time). At the time Brawl was being developed, Marth was the protagonist of the original Fire Emblem and Ike was going to be the protagonist of the upcoming Fire Emblem on the Gamecube (the most recent game of the series at that time). Notice the pattern? Roy and Ike were the protagonists of the most recent games at the time Melee/Brawl was being developed. So if there is a new Fire Emblem game with a new protagonist, it is very likely that SSB4 would have Marth and the new protagonist. This is why I don't think Fire Emblem will ever get supporting characters like Shiida, Black Knight, etc.
1)Yes, FE Is technically complete as of currently, but why would Ike not stay? He's the second most re-occuring character to FE, Noob-Friendly character (seriously I see him and marth so much online), Popular in america not just off of smash, etc.
...And seeing how people say roy was almost completed (From what I hear it was just a music file; and other sources say it didn't even have it in there) Meaning Sakurai would not be bothered to give the franchise 3 Characters.
2)Comparing a 10-11 (Whether you want to count the remake or not) To a 3 game series here, even If they both are RPG's with ever-changing protaginists. For example, Poke will at least for sure stay with 3 1st Gen reps in the next game (PT, Jiggly, and Pika, technically 5 movesets) And yet people still are begging for mewtwo back which is...
Say it with me? A supporting character? Of course; I'm not saying that because Mewtwo has a chance means claus should get in If mewtwo does, or that Mother 3 is as popular to the Mother series as 1st Generation is to pokemon, but with 4 Gens to rep...
F-Zero is complete with Captain Falcon alone. If we add Samurai Goroh, the series would start looking incomplete unless we add Black Shadow and Jody Summer. In a sense, Metroid is also complete with Samus alone, even with Zero Suit Samus (she is still Samus). Look at the original roster for Smash 64. We had all the characters we really needed from their respective franchises, except for Pokemon - Meowth would have made sense instead of Jigglypuff, the joke character. Oh, well.
Your arguement here is "SMASH 64 HAD ALL WE NEEDED" - Ok, so If that's all we needed, then how about just add in new series and ditch all these supporting character's on all series? Not gonna happen. Times change.
There's going to be people out there that will see F-Zero still incomplete, but It'll happen. There's still probably some people out there that would want to see Daroach/Marx/Rick the Hamster/Etc as playable - But most can agree the Kirby series has been justified It'd due.
Sure, you can "Complete" A series by one character when starting it, but If there's other characters relevant to the series then why should they be ignored? Why should metroid be stuck with mainly Samus or Falcon be stuck with Goroh?
Really; I don't even think Claus is likely for Smash 4, and I'm probably the biggest supporter of him here
I'm just pointing out for a 45 Character roster that most series are complete/Close to completion. While his only major disadvantage is how small the mother series is, It's a huge disadvantage. For a long time before Brawl came out, a lot of people thought Lucas or Ness would be the only rep to the small franchise; And most other series on the roster deserve there fix before mother does, but why he would be next in line If we got three to "Complete" Off the series:
Ninten - You said it well on one part; Ness looks almost the same as ninten would. Now, Mother 1 is more different from Mother 2 after playing through most of it than people give credit for, but It's not that much of a different game, and this still has the same bodystyle/Physic style unlike Lucas and Ness compared.
In other words; This guy is worse than adding in Isaac and the apparent GS3 Protaginist.
Giygas - The true villian of M1 And 2, but this would be even worse to program than Sukapon, Ridley, Porky, etc etc.
Porky - The short answer is that this character simply comes up as one hard to program. I really don't feel like going over this one again.
Lloyd/Ana/Teddy - All asides from Lloyd = Pretty much clones. Sakurai sees M1 as to similar to represent (Heck, quite a portion of M1 looked similar to onett) And really have no dilect over who's more important than who.
Jeff/Paula/Poo - Once again, none of them have more importance over the other. Moving on...
Kumatora/Duster/Boney - Well, in this case I could say Kuma/Duster have somewhat more signifigance to the whole plot since M3 the character's actually have more built-out diolouge, but Kumatora screams "CLONE!" Duster...The grab, and boney...Do I need to even explain this one?
There; Of course, as I said, I'd be more surprised to see claus than to not see him. Other franchises deserve a rep/a second rep first, and I Was just bringing him up simply because most franchises are already close on "True/Fan" Completion, so the main thing with this is to be branching out into more series.
edit: (Yay, long post day!)
WarioWare?
Plus, I don't understand your diffidence towards new franchises. I understand what you're saying, but you make it seem as if Sakurai is reserved to the point where new franchises aren't taken into account. Maybe that was true back then, but I don't see it being true going forward.
+1 Point for you. Basically since most franchises are already complete/close to complete, there's really not much elsewhere to go asides from branching out, but we may get disagreed with on that one. I agree with this point.
What's left to add from the retro front? Punch-Out!!? Puzzle League? Nintendo Wars? Joy Mech Fight (WTF character)? I see at least 16-18 newcomers being added (Brawl had 16 newcomers). He'll have to turn towards debuting other, newer franchises. GS, S&P, and Custom Robo (all of which are fairly old now), and perhaps Densetsu no Stafy are franchises I see getting in effortlessly this time around.
It depends. I see a 45 Character roster with some characters cut and thrown in as DLC. New franchises seemingly get ignored by Sakurai (In melee...FE, In brawl...Pikmin) Thus why I'm going by GS Being the only true new one. I suppose If we're to get another, I'd prefer Saki above all others.
I don't have a problem with GS personally, I love the games, but I don't know why you're putting so much stock into that one particular franchise while being iffy about others.
Because that's a new franchise that in interview's to nintendo and whatnot, as stated before in this thread, is starting to get treated as one of there bigger franchises. I don't quite know the sales of Custom Robo/S&P/Etc but I do know that GS Is around where Pikmin was during brawl's release (aka discluding wiimkates)
But I could see it being possible. IF We get one, I'd prefer Saki personally.
