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[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

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No.

Roy and Mewtwo were removed for time constraints. They weren't intended to be cut. Doc and Pichu were most likely removed because they were just filler to begin with; they didn't really deserve to be on the roster, and they were only there to beef it up a bit. Young Link wasn't replaced or removed, he just got an update to his art style. You can find him on the CSS, right below Ganondorf.
 

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I'm okay w/all your ideas except for cancelling tilts. It just seems unnecessary/strange. Maybe make it so that some Specials can be used straight out of a tilt?
That's close to what I was saying. I'll give you an example:

You put in the input for Luigi's down tilt and immediately press B for him to use Fireball with no afterlag from the tilt.

It's a little strange, but I think it'll become a vital part for any competitive player.

I stated in the last sentence of the paragragh, as if the game mechanics should be kept pure and simple.
Ok. It seemed more like a choice to me
 

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...I don't hate Krystal for her sexual apeal (or lack ther of)

Again, I hate Krystal because she annoys me. She could have been a dude for all I care, she;s annoying as hell.
Well that opinion alone isn't going to halt her inclusion. I personal wanted Krystal > Wolf, anyway.

Also, Slippy is more annoying...

You put in the input for Luigi's down tilt and immediately press B for him to use Fireball with no afterlag from the tilt.
Combos involving tilts straight into specials? I like the idea. It might be considered a bit cheap, though...
 

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I like the gameplay as is in all three Smash games. Easy to learn. Hard to master. That's the way to go. The controls are very easy to pick up. Even gamers who are not fans of the fighting genre could play Smash games. There is a reason I don't play Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, and any other fighting games.
 

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I understand what you're saying, I just don't think it should work w/all tilts and all specials. Rather, I'd like to see certain specials be able to be used in this fashion. I wouldn't mind seeing it applied to Raptor Boost, PK Magnet, and maybe Samus's Missiles, to name a few.
 

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I don't understand why people keep overlooking Little Mac.

He was almost in Brawl, and will almost undoubtably be in SSB4, and i will continue to believe this until someone proves otherwise.

Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr.Mario where removed due to time constraints, Young link was replaced, and Pichu would've been. (Plusle and Minun)
 
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I don't understand this Krystal hate going on. Before Brawl was released, everyone thought she was a shoo-in. Now because of some fictional rule, she's hated.
Well that opinion alone isn't going to halt her inclusion. I personal wanted Krystal > Wolf, anyway.

Also, Slippy is more annoying...



Combos involving tilts straight into specials? I like the idea. It might be considered a bit cheap, though...
I don't doubt her inclusion at all, she is pretty likely, it just will piss me off when she gets in. There just seemed to be confusion as to why I disliked her.


I also agree that the tilt-special mechanic would be abused and certain characters would have a crazy advantage (Characters with low lag tilts and specials)
 

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Nobody is overlooking Little Mac. He's considered the closest thing to a shoe-in for SSB4. (IMO, he is a shoe-in)
 

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At least Krystal got her even more annoying voice (imo) from SF Adv to a British-ish voice in SFA. It fits better imo

The only thing I see in Krystal is......let see, the recent 4th Main Character of SF (I think) and a possible moveset that's MORE different from Fox than the rest that doesn't only include a staff (technically every character could have had the same possibility in SF minus the staff..).......
 

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I don't understand why people keep overlooking Little Mac.

He was almost in Brawl
Proof?

Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr.Mario where removed due to time constraints, Young link was replaced, and Pichu would've been. (Plusle and Minun)
I swear; The more you say Plusle and Minun, the more I actually want that even If the translation of Pra_Mai isn't P&M.

Just saying. <.<

And who knows If It was time constraints; Maybe he just decided that they weren't truly needed.
 

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Star fox is a pretty average series. If it gets a new rep it will be Krystal, but i am thinking IF it gets one.........

I have no proof about the Mac thing, but I assumed since Sakurai has him as an AT, he is somewhat significant. He is VERY likely is what I am saying.

I really want Plusle & Minun too....just picture them in the Brawl art style......
 
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I'm gonna throw it out there that since Smash doesn;t have the effects of cutting slashing and blunt (everyhting is treated as a blutn weapon) That moves involving a staff would most likely be very similar to a sword, simply more broken (Jacked up range) and Krystal would just be a fast falling Marth
 

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I don't understand why people keep overlooking Little Mac.

He was almost in Brawl, and will almost undoubtably be in SSB4, and i will continue to believe this until someone proves otherwise.

Mewtwo, Roy, and Dr.Mario where removed due to time constraints, Young link was replaced, and Pichu would've been. (Plusle and Minun)
Overlooking Little Mac? He's like the most reoccuring character when it comes to people's lists when it comes to SSB4 wishlists. If anything, he's like how Wario and Sonic were for Brawl. Punch-Out was a success and a Punch-Out II has practically been confirmed so it's extremelly unlikely that Little Mac will fall back into obscurity before SSB4 comes out.

@ Shino:

Krystal annoys you more than Slippy, General Pepper, Leon, Tricky, Andrew, Ashley, and Pigma? For a franchise filled with annoying characters, that's definately saying something. :laugh:
 

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Why wouldn't Little Mac be in the next smashbrothers? I was surprised he wasn't in Brawl. There was nobody represeting any different games/series, except the third party characters. They should of had Issac to represent Golden Sun, and Mac to represent punchout.

Thats what the next installment of smash needs; character representing series that haven't been in Smash yet.
 

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Overlooking Little Mac? He's like the most reoccuring character when it comes to people's lists when it comes to SSB4 wishlists. If anything, he's like how Wario and Sonic were for Brawl. Punch-Out was a success and a Punch-Out II has practically been confirmed so it's extremelly unlikely that Little Mac will fall back into obscurity before SSB4 comes out.

@ Shino:

Krystal annoys you more than Slippy, General Pepper, Leon, Andrew, Ashley, and Pigma? For a franchise filled with annoying characters, that's definately saying something. :laugh:
If you are saying what I think you are then you are saying that another PO for Wii will come out, wich i said not too long ago. I said that becouse of this, in the game or its sequal could get 2 PO reps.

@ Smash Player: We got a pikmin rep, but I see what you are saying.
 

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Waluigi is #1



On my hate list for Smash.

I don't like Mac, but I'm gonna hafta learn to deal with that since he will probably get in........I really don't think they should get 2 reps though.....even with another game besides PO Wii......has any Retro ever gotten more than 1 rep? No, but Mac may not be treated as Retro. We'll just hafta wait and see.....
 

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Waluigi has his chances. He may not be as popular on message boards as Bowser Jr, but in the end, Waluigi has shown up in more games, and he was the one who got the AT role in Brawl. While I don't expect him, there is a very distinct possibility.
 

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But as far as I know, he has only been in Spinoffs.

Jigglypuff will not be leaving.

I would LOVE to see Plusle and Minun.
 

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I know he has his chances but would you rather see:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Waluigi?????
Daisy?????
Geno???.....
or:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Bowser Jr.
Toad
Paper Mario
Which one?

If we add Waluigi the first one is the turn it might take (imo the wrong turn) all those weird Mario Characters people want in....

Now that we're on a new topic......PKMN......

Besides Mewtwo..........3rd gen Pokemon or Trainer is what I would want the most (those pkmn include: Blaziken [by its self] and Deoxys, I don't like P&M)
 

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The only thing going for Waluigi is the fact that he's been in almost every Mario spinoff game since 2000. If anything, I think his prescense would detract from Wario's prescense as an independent character. Waluigi's kind of like the pothole that Wario has his foot stuck in that keeps people from seeing him as his own man as opposed to just another Mario character despite the Wario Land and Wario Ware games.

@ the above:

Agreed. Daisy is just... terrible. Daisy is to Mario as Amy is to Sonic, an annoying female character that should have faded into obscurity a loooooooooooong time ago.
 

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Thanks WC, Bomberman=awesome

Then why is there a point to add Waluigi? They were created for the same purpose in a sense

Hero Dude, I didn't mean SSB4 just eventually, if you knew that what's wrong with PM imo he should get in pretty far before BJ
 

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My problem with Paper Mario is the same that I had with Dr. Mario; it's still Mario, he just looks different. With Link and Toon Link, they are two different people despite their similarities and one being a reincarnation of the other. Toon Link and Link basically live in different times and even different areas, Mario and Paper Mario live in the same time and world, it's just that the Paper Mario world has different graphics. Paper Mario could easily be given a unique moveset but, again, why represent the same character twice especially when they are exactly the same person? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd much prefer a Paper Mario stage.
 

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My problem with Paper Mario is the same that I had with Dr. Mario; it's still Mario, he just looks different. With Link and Toon Link, they are two different people despite their similarities and one being a reincarnation of the other. Toon Link and Link basically live in different times and even different areas, Mario and Paper Mario live in the same time and world, it's just that the Paper Mario world has different graphics. Paper Mario could easily be given a unique moveset but, again, why represent the same character twice especially when they are exactly the same person? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd much prefer a Paper Mario stage.
I don't see what the real problem is here. While I could understand if you don't want two of the same character, the fact is that while Toon Link and TP Link are technically different people, they are still both Link, just like Paper Mario is the same as Mario. Its just seems like a minor detail that doesn't effect the gameplay that is being blown up here into a big deal when its really not. Given that Mario's franchise has expanded so much, I don't see how its a problem at all to take a different version of him and have him represent a different aspect, which in this case is the RPGs.

Also it can be easily assumed that they don't technically live in the same place, given the fact that in the PM series, characters activley recognize that their world is mostly 2D, while this isn't the case in the standard 3D Mario universe.
 

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hmm checked off as "Person Who thinks Paper Mario and Mario are the same person"

Honestly? Toon is just a different graphic type in a later time than OoT (not dissing his appearance, I want to keep TL) Most Links are "*X # of* different people"

Paper Mario is a different world/dimension, I'd like to see you come up with more than half the characters/species in PM that are also in Mario. hmm Pokies, Goombas, Koopas and their different types. Any others? Never saw PM's Partners anywhere else......

Can you come up with a real reason for why PM shouldn't be in there? Not "why rep the same character twice especially when they are exactly the same person?" Can you prove they are EXACTLY the same person?
It would be MUCH better than having Doc in there


Hey, thanks BBQTV and Pieman

btw did I ever ask you what your problem was? No, I asked Hero Dude
 
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hmm checked off as "Person Who thinks Paper Mario and Mario are the same person"

Honestly? Toon is just a different graphic type in a later time than OoT (not dissing his appearance, I want to keep TL) Most Links are "*X # of* different people"

Paper Mario is a different world/dimension, I'd like to see you come up with more than half the characters/species in PM that are also in Mario. hmm Pokies, Goombas, Koopas and their different types. Any others? Never saw PM's Partners anywhere else......
Can you come up with a real reason for why PM shouldn't be in there? Not "why rep the same character twice especially when they are exactly the same person?" Can you prove they are EXACTLY the same person?
It would be MUCH better than having Doc in there


Hey, thanks BBQTV and Pieman

btw did I ever ask you what your problem was? No, I asked Hero Dude
Just a small thing to point out. The Timeline of the Legend of Zelda (It has been hinted at by the creators of the game, as well in-game references, and a general theory of time travel) that Toon Link and "Link" are different people. At the end of OoT There is the adult link that exists in the world created by the events in the game and there is kid link who is returned to his youth by Zelda.

Adult Link's time goes on to become the world of Wind Waker Link.

Young Link grows up to be the Link we know in Twilight Princess.

This shows that the two links are different characters while PM is just Mario on a different Adventure (which just so happen to have different graphics [Like the Links]) while not actually being a different Mario.
 

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Didn't the LOZ creators say that there was no timeline?

So Mario goes on a "different adventure" that just happens to be in a completely different place and the game happens to be 2-D and we never hear of it ever again?

What happened to Merlon? Ms. Mowz? Kooper? Any of the partners? Any of the Star Spirits? Twink? Hasn't there been some mention of past Mario games in some newer ones some time or another?

Paper Mario was barely mentioned in the rest of its series let alone any of the others

Ummm Sorry BBQTV?
 

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Didn't the LOZ creators say that there was no timeline?

So Mario goes on a "different adventure" that just happens to be in a completely different place and the game happens to be 2-D and we never hear of it ever again?

What happened to Merlon? Ms. Mowz? Kooper? Any of the partners? Any of the Star Spirits? Twink? Hasn't there been some mention of past Mario games in some newer ones some time or another?

Paper Mario was barely mentioned in the rest of its series let alone any of the others

Ummm Sorry BBQTV?
im saying i support PM for smash also saying thanks
 

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I don't see what the real problem is here. While I could understand if you don't want two of the same character, the fact is that while Toon Link and TP Link are technically different people, they are still both Link, just like Paper Mario is the same as Mario. Its just seems like a minor detail that doesn't effect the gameplay that is being blown up here into a big deal when its really not. Given that Mario's franchise has expanded so much, I don't see how its a problem at all to take a different version of him and have him represent a different aspect, which in this case is the RPGs.

Also it can be easily assumed that they don't technically live in the same place, given the fact that in the PM series, characters activley recognize that their world is mostly 2D, while this isn't the case in the standard 3D Mario universe.
As I said, Toon Link and regular Link are proven to be different people while you can't really do that with Mario and Paper Mario. Mario is Mario and, if you ask me, does a fine job of representing the Mario franchises as himself while Link and Toon Link do represent different parts of the Zelda franchise. Since a Link to the Past/Four Swords Adventure, Toon Link has pretty much become the Link of the handheld Zeldas. You have Four Sword Adventures, the Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, and soon to be Spirit Tracks. As for Mario RPGs, Paper Mario doesn't effectively represent them as a whole because there are the same number of Mario and Luigi games as Paper Mario games. If you throw in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, you have more "regular Mario" RPGs altogether. Throw in all the Mario spinoffs and the percentage of Mario games that are Paper Mario games drops below 5%. With that being said, I don't think that it should be fully represented by a character and a stage would be much more appropriate like how Mario Kart got a stage in Brawl.
 
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