[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Mario the Jumpman]

TTK, the roster you showed us is pretty much fine with me... minus the third-party chars.

 

[Hero Dude]

I just wanted to restate that:

Little Mac takes priority over all retro characters. From now to the next smash, He will probably have ANOTHER wii game. Punch Out!! could get 2 reps.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

You can state why. I'm just saying why I didn't put them on. Really; in short about a few people seem "WTF" On the most:

Michiah/Lucario - The "Most Recent" Reps, of course as time goes by they'd get replaced.
Geno - Really, I'd be fine with any 5th rep that isn't something like Waluigi or Daisy.
Sukapon/ACer - Personal bias, but realistically speaking/my wants/not lazy speaking: Little Mac really does have priority over one of them, so just pretend one of them is him.
Chrono - Could be a different 3rd party rep. I mainly put him to go with geno.

Alright well personally I would not like to see a new Mario rep at all, but If i had to it wold be Toad

Again a personal preference but I would not like to see another F-zero character but I honestly don;t care who it is if I have too see one

I'd prefer Tom Nook over an Ac'r and no Sukapon

Falco should stay in and any other character from the entire Star Fox universe would be better than Krystal (throwing my own personal Bias in there)

Bomberman over Chrono

 

[Hero Dude]

Alright well personally I would not like to see a new Mario rep at all, but If i had to it wold be Toad

Again a personal preference but I would not like to see another F-zero character but I honestly don;t care who it is if I have too see one

I'd prefer Tom Nook over an Ac'r and no Sukapon

Falco should stay in and any other character fromt he entire Star Fox universe would be better than Krystal (throwing my own personal Bias in there)

Bomberman over Chrono

Well, Dang. Who do you want in the game? Nobody?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

TTK, I forgot to ask you if you could add to your roster Little Mac, Glass Joe AND/OR Bald Bull, and Bowser Jr.?

 

[mariorocks64]

only good newcomers I see now are Bomberman, paper mario, and maybe ridley and miis.
Aren't there any other good suggestions? I want better costumes and colors. for example, I want Chocolate Kirby. and a dry bowser costume for bowser.

 

[Hero Dude]

Lets not ASSUME it will get more than one, until we know there will be another Punch-Out!!.

The only character in that list whose chances are high, is Ridley.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Well, Dang. Who do you want in the game? Nobody?

Well let's see. I only took out one rep from F-0, mother, Mario, and Sakupon. That's three. I would add in Dixie Kong, Balloon Fighter, Andy, and Lil Mac. Add in another LoZ character (Tetra would be my first choice...but she won;t get in so Toon Ganon or Tingle are fine). FE and Poke' I won't touch on because he has the placeholders instead of the characters he wants there.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

TTK, I forgot to ask you if you could add to your roster Little Mac, Glass Joe AND/OR Bald Bull, and Bowser Jr.?

Sukapon/Geno are placeholder spots, but I could add in images for Little Mac/Bowser Jr. I may make a DLC Part later/Edit the placeholder spots. (I made that image a while ago and just dug it up now )

Lets not ASSUME it will get more than one, until we know there will be another Punch-Out!!.

The only character in that list whose chances are high, is Ridley.

Suddenly Isaac doesn't have high chances or did you not see him on there? y;

And as I said I'd personally put Little Mac over Sukapon but I just went with sukapon since I already had the image and all and wanted to get it done.

Also PO Prolly isn't getting two chars for the same reason GS Isn't.

 

[Hero Dude]

No, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking about mariorocks's list of Paper Mario, Ridley, Mii, and Bomberman.

I said PO could get 2 becouse by the time SSB4 is in development, PO wii 2 will likely be out.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Wendy O? And I fixed the image. Shrinkified...Feel free to point out problems now.

Wendy O.? Level 3? Come on, it's lame if I have to explain it.

For the record, you shouldn't post an outdated roster if there's already a few characters you want to drop from it. Anyway here's what's blatantly wrong:


Falco: He won't be removed. I've noticed the only people nowadays who seem to think he should leave are Krystal supporters who live by the "Star Fox can't have too many characters" rule. And those people are split between him and Wolf. Anyway Falco isn't going anywhere.

Micaiah: Too lazy to dig up the big FE post I made (just go back a few pages), but basically the short version is that there WILL be a new FE by SSB4 (IS has hinted at having started already), so she doesn't get the "most recent" card. Unless it's Roy, no currently existing Lord will be considered.

AC Guy: While I honestly don't mind if any AC character gets in (and I don't care which), Sakurai would need to change his mind on the whole "these guys shouldn't be fighting ever" thing. I don't expect that to happen short of some very convincing emails.

Sukapon: See this thread (do a ctrl+F for Sukapon). Short version: Sakurai says not to expect him in the future. This is kinda old, so he may have changed his mind, but unless Sakurai talks about Sukapon in the future I wouldn't count on that.

Crono: Square-Enix has Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. If it's not from one of those, it's a long shot. For more on this I'd have to get into the thought process behind Square-Enix (and I don't want to do that right now).

Geno: Has everything against him aside from popularity. Pretty sure Sakurai wants more than that for a Mario character that requires negotiation with Square-Enix. That's the short version. The long version would probably take an entire post that I'm not in the mood to write at the moment.


Summary:
Falco - Not going nowhere for nobody
Micaiah - Her ship has sailed
AC Guy - Currently billed as "not suitable for fighting"
Sukapon - Currently stated "don't expect him in the future"
Crono - Low-priority for Square-Enix
Geno - Popular character with tons of negatives


Not discussing the characters that aren't there (minus Falco) and characters you added that actually have a chance.

Also I don't know why people are quick to label characters as retro like they're part of a series. The only character(s) who were specifically included as were the Ice Climbers. Not R.O.B., not Pit, and not Mr. G&W. They had their own things going for them.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Sorry Toise but I have to disagree that Micaiah's "ship has sailed" (really trying to avoid ANOTHER FE argument this soon after the last) I say that w/o a new guy chances for her are like 90% (I know there probably will be a new one [remake or not] but w/ new guy she has maybe 75% chance) Roy has hmmm 90-ish % chance w/o newbie and w/........maybe 80% or more.....new guy would have like 90-100% chance of being in there.

Her ship is about to sail......I personally don't want it to so a Smash slot is what would save her/bring her back.......i.e. Roy/Marth

please don't start a 5 pg argument on this........

what have I just thrown myself into?.........

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Don't worry, I already went into this and I'm way too lazy to do it again.

If you want my explanation, read the posts I'd been making from here onwards. It's a lot to go through even if you skip past all the non-Toise posts though.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I just realized that the Black Knight probably has prevalance over Mica. Mica's only advantage over him his she uses magic. That's it, as beign the main antagonist/anti-hero is equally as important as the unpopular, weak, co-star

 

[Fatmanonice]

Do people still like the idea of downloadable stages/characters? I remember a lot of people talking about how they wanted that after Brawl was released and I was wondering if people still wanted to see it happen. As Sakurai said, it all depends on how powerful Nintendo's next gen console is. Obviously, stages would be easier to do than characters as well.

 

[Hero Dude]

I am suprised Sakurai said that about Sukapon.....he considered him for both games.

But have you all understood what I am saying about PO?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

What do you guys think of game designers like Sakurai or Miyamoto appearing in SSB4's story mode as gods of the Smash universe (though I doubt many of you guys would like that idea)?

 

[BBQTV]

no to that

 

[Thirdkoopa]

For the record, you shouldn't post an outdated roster if there's already a few characters you want to drop from it. Anyway here's what's blatantly wrong:

You ask, I receive, Toise. This reflects a bit more around my opinion's rather than just bias and not forcing people to read anything regarding certain reps. Anyhow...

Falco: He won't be removed. I've noticed the only people nowadays who seem to think he should leave are Krystal supporters who live by the "Star Fox can't have too many characters" rule. And those people are split between him and Wolf. Anyway Falco isn't going anywhere.

Agreed here; To be honest, I only put him out because of the whole DLC Idea, which is the same reason why ROB's not "Exactly In" On this.

Micaiah: Too lazy to dig up the big FE post I made (just go back a few pages), but basically the short version is that there WILL be a new FE by SSB4 (IS has hinted at having started already), so she doesn't get the "most recent" card. Unless it's Roy, no currently existing Lord will be considered.

She's the current FE Rep. That was a current roster, but I fixed it reflecting more upon what I think will happen by Smash 4. AKA: Putting the icon from FE To stand as an Unknown! Yay!

AC Guy: While I honestly don't mind if any AC character gets in (and I don't care which), Sakurai would need to change his mind on the whole "these guys shouldn't be fighting ever" thing. I don't expect that to happen short of some very convincing emails.

...Yeah, I really doubt that will change unless he gets REALLY Convinced. I doubt him too, but If we're to get an AC Rep, It's probably him.

Sukapon: See this thread (do a ctrl+F for Sukapon). Short version: Sakurai says not to expect him in the future. This is kinda old, so he may have changed his mind, but unless Sakurai talks about Sukapon in the future I wouldn't count on that.

I couldn't remove this guy D; And also, let's be reminded that Ridley has programming issues too as stated before even more recently. Of course Sukapon isn't as requested, and I honestly think ROB Will still stay...I just couldn't remove him on there. You can just pretend It's rob for that I suppose.

Crono: Square-Enix has Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. If it's not from one of those, it's a long shot. For more on this I'd have to get into the thought process behind Square-Enix (and I don't want to do that right now).

DO IT DO IT DO IT. But I really couldn't decide on this one with SE, If SE Is to even get a rep in the first place. SE Is a really shaky thing and doesn't have one "True" Rep...Especially with nintendo.

Not discussing the characters that aren't there (minus Falco) and characters you added that actually have a chance.

Feel free to bring up character's that do now that I've fixed it (Asides from rob.) - I feel 45 Is pretty ideal, so for each character added, there'd probably have to be one removed. (And no, do not expect claus to be removed. ) - The discussion on this is interesting.

edit:

Do people still like the idea of downloadable stages/characters? I remember a lot of people talking about how they wanted that after Brawl was released and I was wondering if people still wanted to see it happen. As Sakurai said, it all depends on how powerful Nintendo's next gen console is. Obviously, stages would be easier to do than characters as well.

Uh I've been mentioning it like...A lot in this thread.

Of course I do - If not then we'd have another one of these threads straight after Smash 4 came out and we'd have to wait a whole 6 or so years to get a new fix. I'm really hoping for this.

also fmoi: Comment on roster image gogogo.

 

[Big-Cat]

Which one of these traits make a Character the most deserving?

History

Moves

Popularity

important Roles

games

company

overall importance

Which one of these makes the most deserving characters. pick one.
with this, its easier to determine good Characters for SSB4.
I hope SSB4 is real!

I'll go ahead and rank these.
1. Popularity
2. Company
3. Everything else.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

no to that

I knew it.

And for character traits, deciding them mostly from popularity or moves seems a bit questionable.

 

[BBQTV]

hehe anyway jump man brought something i wanna talk about what is gonna happen with story

 

[Big-Cat]

Do people still like the idea of downloadable stages/characters? I remember a lot of people talking about how they wanted that after Brawl was released and I was wondering if people still wanted to see it happen. As Sakurai said, it all depends on how powerful Nintendo's next gen console is. Obviously, stages would be easier to do than characters as well.

I talked about this a while back and here's what I think.

I'm against the idea of DLC stages and characters.

The problem with DLC is that you run into the possiblity of splitting up the user base as a result. Another problem also is that DLC in question may be too much to download. That's what kinda why Super Street Fighter IV is coming out on a cheaper disc.

I would much prefer to see an update disc. For example, if Brawl got Super Smash Bros. Brawl Round 2, you'd have better balancing and refined gameplay, characters Mewtwo, Roy, Krystal, and Little Mac added, five new stages, some new items, and new music to top it off.

Considering that the gap between the last two Smashes has been huge, this would be one way to keep things alive a bit. No more than 2 updates, one coming out a year after the other.

 

[n88]

I agree with Kuma on DLC, but character attributes go like this:

Moves (Just the most basic stuff. If it has arms it's good to go, generally)
Importance
Popularity


But that's just been the criteria for picking the roster so far. Popularity is likely to become the most important factor, since very few important characters remain unplayable.

 

[Big-Cat]

I agree with Kuma on DLC, but character attributes go like this:

Moves (Just the most basic stuff. If it has arms it's good to go, generally)
Importance
Popularity


But that's just been the criteria for picking the roster so far. Popularity is likely to become the most important factor, since very few important characters remain unplayable.

I wouldn't say moves necessarily since we got Capt. Falcon and Zelda. That's more on the creativity of the developers. I'm just wondering, but what other important characters are missing? The only one I can think of is Capt. Syrup since she's Wario's arch nemesis and Nintendo's first recurring villainness.

Anyway, the only thing that has been said about inclusion officially is popularity.

 

[Hero Dude]

Are you all in on this?
(Hey, lets ignore Hero Dude!)
Upon reading that link in Oso's reply, Takamaru's chances looked pretty high.

I don't think C. Syrup is as likely as Mona would be, The Wario Ware series is more well known than Wario World. Plus, as I said, she is his love interest.

 

[Pieman0920]

Syrup's part of Wario Land, rather than Wario World. And while I support Mona, both really aren't love interest to Wario. (Wario x Money is his OTP)

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Agreed here; To be honest, I only put him out because of the whole DLC Idea, which is the same reason why ROB's not "Exactly In" On this.

Bleah, how did I miss ROB? Knew something was wrong. Maybe my eyes are too tired right now.

Anyway, if you're going to factor DLC into this, you should include a list of DLC characters and whatnot. People will still want to know who's in the game, whether they're out of the box or online.

Most of the changes you've made are alright now.

I couldn't remove this guy D; And also, let's be reminded that Ridley has programming issues too as stated before even more recently. Of course Sukapon isn't as requested, and I honestly think ROB Will still stay...I just couldn't remove him on there. You can just pretend It's rob for that I suppose.

Here's the Ridley statement:

Nintendo Power: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?
Sakurai: I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put or best efforts into it, we might have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]

I always thought it was funny Sakurai mentions speed rather than size.

Anyway, he says "he'd be a pain to make" rather than "we'll probably never add him." A negative, but not an outright opposition. Plus there's the fact that no one seems to care about Sukapon. Guess I'll just mentally draw a little ROB face over him when I look at this picture.

DO IT DO IT DO IT. But I really couldn't decide on this one with SE, If SE Is to even get a rep in the first place. SE Is a really shaky thing and doesn't have one "True" Rep...Especially with nintendo.

Hmm... yeah, I'm too lazy to do that right now. Here's the skinny though: they're the type of company that assumes they know what the customer wants and they get that right about, I don't know, one in four times. So Sakurai might approach them with the idea for Character X based on requests, and they might be like "no, WE wanna use Character Y!" And then blah blah blah bad blood with Nintendo blah blah I'll finish this some other time. Point is they're jerks and I have doubts Sakurai would successfully reach an agreement with them over one character (unless it's unanimous).


Last thing I want to mention is that assuming we'll get an unspecified Mario or 3rd-party character is very presumptuous. Remember how almost everyone was expecting someone to "fill the void" left by Doc? If Sakurai's gonna add a Mario character, it'll be because that character is awesome and he wants them in, not because the series has an arbitrary quota to meet. Same deal with 3rd parties, only the restrictions for adding another are much higher.


dsajfksdjkfa this thread and fastness and whatnot

 

[Hero Dude]

On my last forum, everyone shunned me becouse of Tingle being on my list, wich was odd becouse it was a Zelda Forum.

Tingle confuses me actually. We hate him for no reason,(Not me, I am an importer) But they love him, and Sakurai knows this. His games are quite good.
I believe that as NP would say: "Tingle has firmly wedged himself into Nintendo Media."

 

[n88]

@Kuma

Like I said, by "Moves" I just mean the capability to fight. Arms are pretty much the requirement.

Missing important characters are:

K. Rool, Ridley, Tingle, and to a lesser extent Toad and Bowser Jr. I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones I'm more familiar with.

K. Rool - Primary antagonist of Nintendo's #4 series.
Ridley - Primary antagonist of Metroid and pretty much the only recurring character besides Samus.
Tingle - In a series with very few spin-offs, Tingle has his own spin-off series. Also, he's the fourth most recurring character in the main series.

Toad - Only unplayable member of the Mario Big Eight
Bowser Jr. - Has played a major role as either primary or secondary antagonist of every non-spin-off Mario game since his creation (Although that could change)

 

[Hero Dude]

Have you all just........erased me from reality?

K.rool = #5 series.

Dk lacks behind Mario, Metroid, Zelda, and Pokemon.

 

[BBQTV]

Have you all just........erased me from reality?

yes we have now leave

 

[Hero Dude]

I have thought aabout another Pikmin rep. (WAIT! Don't shoot me just yet)
Pikmin is confirmed to have a Wii sequal on the way, and if it contains any primary characters, they could possibly stand a small chance.

 

[n88]

@ Hero Dude

No. Nintendo series rankings go like this (The ones not in Smash aren't listed):

Mario
Pokemon
Zelda
DK
Kirby
Yoshi
Wario
Metroid
StarFox
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
Game & Watch
Pikmin
Kid Icarus
MOTHER
Ice Climber
R.O.B. Games

*I totally did not steal this list from Toise or anything*

 

[Hero Dude]

I find that list unlikely, but I believe you nonetheless.
WTF how is Game & Watch above Pikmin?

I have atleast been aknowledged.

I would ask if you read my posts about PO, and if we could discuss the series, but I know the answer.

 

[RetroAntonio]

We need Masked Man.
We need Megaman.
We need Marx as a boss, and Marx Soul.
We need Midna as playable.
Better wifi.
Bowser Jr.

 

[n88]

@Hero Dude

The list is based on sales, so I dunno what to tell you. If Pikmin is lower, it's because not as many people bought it.

 

[Hero Dude]

Masked man = not likely
Megaman = very likely
Don't know who that is
^^^
okay
okay

 

[Hero Dude]

This Post Was An Accident

 

[Pieman0920]

@ Hero Dude

No. Nintendo series rankings go like this (The ones not in Smash aren't listed):

Mario
Pokemon
Zelda
DK
Kirby
Yoshi
Wario
Metroid
StarFox
F-Zero
Fire Emblem
Game & Watch
Pikmin
Kid Icarus
MOTHER
Ice Climber
R.O.B. Games

*I totally did not steal this list from Toise or anything*

I would have to think that the Wii_____ series has made a dent in there, probably knocking DK out of 4th place.