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Yeah, it's working again. I've mostly been busy as of late with work and school. Also, how do people know that the hero of Golden Sun 3 DS is Isaac's son? Call me crazy but it might actually be an older Isaac because the other two people with him look like older versions of Garet and Mia. If I were to go with that theory though, I wonder what happended to Ivan...
Ah, I see. Nice seeing you again still. The only other things you missed were: Fire Emblem/Mother Rep Discussion, Other features, Some Rosters, N88's poll...Yeah, not much outside of this

...Relooking at it carefully, I must say, how do we even know If GS3 Is getting a new protaginist? It looks possibly like older versions (Well isaac looks younger kinda, probably the eyes and hair)
 

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Actually, Isaac talks in Golden Sun: the Lost Age while Felix becomes the silent protagonist. Sorry, I had to be a literalist; it's in my nature. :laugh:
Well that's why I said Isaac was a silent protagonist in Golden Sun. In Lost Age that changes, but he's not really the main character there. Still Felix does get a line in at the end despite being stricking with muteitis.
 
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Yeah, it's working again. I've mostly been busy as of late with work and school. Also, how do people know that the hero of Golden Sun 3 DS is Isaac's son? Call me crazy but it might actually be an older Isaac because the other two people with him look like older versions of Garet and Mia. If I were to go with that theory though, I wonder what happended to Ivan...
It was said in Nintendo Power that the main protagnonist is Issac's Son. More credible than most places for inoformation...though they have made glaring informational errors before.
 

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It was said in Nintendo Power that the main protagnonist is Issac's Son. More credible than most places for inoformation...though they have made glaring informational errors before.
I haven't subscribed to Nintendo Power since about Brawl came out. I pretty much go to gonintendo for my gaming news now. Why pay for late news and magazines that just take up space? Still, I made my comment because he looks almost exactly like Isaac and the other two people look like older versions of Garet and Mia.

@ Mariorocks64:

A Smash 4 is pretty much inevitiable but SORA and Nintendo are currently working on a project together and Sakurai estimates that it won't be released until late 2011. With that being said, any announcements for a SSB4 won't come around until 2012 at the earliest with the actual game probably being late 2013/early 2014.
 

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I missed alot.

GS is not even worth discussing to me, being that a character from GS is (IMO) almost confirmed.
Otherwise known as, SHOE IN.
Isaac takes priority over the GS series if ou ask me, becouse if I where to ask you what you think of when I say GS, then after RPG, most of you would say Isaac.

Can we please branch out our discussions? Besides talking about a specific series, can we talk about the game in genral?

Such as, I would like to ask who would get in to represent Advance wars.
 

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I missed alot.

GS is not even worth discussing to me, being that a character from GS is (IMO) almost confirmed.
Otherwise known as, SHOE IN.
Isaac takes priority over the GS series if ou ask me, becouse if I where to ask you what you think of when I say GS, then after RPG, most of you would say Isaac.

Can we please branch out our discussions? Besides talking about a specific series, can we talk about the game in genral?

Such as, I would like to ask who would get in to represent Advance wars.
You did.

Yeah; He has no insanely stupid flaw that we know of, so Isaac is an obvious. The verge on the new guy (IF He's new or so)/Felix has been "IF Sakurai pulls a Fire Emblem and gives GS Two reps"

We just switch up discussions a lot...Heck I may post a stage roster soon. A while ago it was FE, F-Zero, A list I made...etc...Topic changes quickly.

As for AW; The franchise at least deserves a stage. It's the longest running still a franchise that has yet to be represented by a PC/Stage. As for a PC, only thing I see is sakurai's random excuses (see: acer)
 

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Add Goku and Vegita. those two should replace the ice climbers and the computer one should be vegita who does whatever he wants and trys to show off. btw they can both fly
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Such as, I would like to ask who would get in to represent Advance wars.
Never played the games, but I'm guessing Andy will be the best choice. However, there's also Famicom, Gameboy and Battalion Wars to consider as well, if Sakurai is in a WTF mood.
 

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I doubt he will pull an FE being that GS has only had three games to date.

But, I never played the ones with Andy. I have played Days of Ruin only. I didn't know it was a nintendo series for a while actually...


Nobody seemed to really care about my roster.
 

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I have a question:

What do you guys think Smash 4's PC roster would be if the adding of fighters is based mainly on deservingness? And I would like at least one prediction if it isn't too much to ask.
Desrevingness? What exactly are you thinking qualifies as deservingness? Does it matter more if a character has been in a lot of games, or does it matter if they've had a larger role in their games? Assuming we aren't taking popularity into account, when you look at Golden Sun, Isaac's role is smaller than Felix's, but Isaac was technically playable in two games instead of one, so what would you say about that? How about Waluigi who has been in more games than say Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario, yet hasn't had major roles in them? What exactly do you mean by this.
 

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I doubt he will pull an FE being that GS has only had three games to date.

But, I never played the ones with Andy. I have played Days of Ruin only. I didn't know it was a nintendo series for a while actually...


Nobody seemed to really care about my roster.
GS - Agreed
AW - It has been. It really deserves andy, but If sakurai really doesn't want to, then hi stage. That HAS To at least happen. Just imagine being on a platform with tons of small ships all aiming at you.
Roster - Uh, I made a full list of idea's for Smash 4 that's everything but the roster...And I only got two replies, but only because you asked...

*Roster here*
Mario: Sure. If we're only to get five reps I'd be fine with that
Zelda: Tingle has hate. A lot of it; but he IS The next runner-up
Donkey kong: Yes.
Mother: Claus please? But It'd be fine for it to stay the same just as long as we're treated to more mother music and all.
Animal Crossing: I agree it deserves a rep, but why nook?
F-Zero: This is fine. I don't even get why falcon was unlockable again.
Wario: Is it just to give it another rep? But that's fine. I'd prefer Mona over Syrup personally anyways, but warioland should get some representation.
Star Fox: 4 Reps is a bit far. One of them could easily be DL *Gets shot* But at least the choices are all fine.
Pokemon: I like Plusle & Minun if the file is real, but I fail to see why PT Needs changing unless we don't get a fifth gen rep. Also 8 movesets while mario gets 5 (Discluding side-reps)? Eh...
Metroid: Yes.
Fire Emblem:Sure.
Yoshi:No to babies because his moveset is fine (well tether would be nice) And kamek...Is this just for it to get another rep? I don't really think yoshi needs another rep, personally, but If It gets one then sure. Kamek could be cool.
Pikmin:Obviously fine.
Retro:You forgot pit
Golden sun:Sure.
Third Parties:Needs another third-party.

46 Characters....need 4 more so fire away.
Claus, A third-party, Sukapon, Another mario rep (Geno! Or Paper Mario! Or Toad!)
 

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i hope they dont add characters for roster big size or were gonna get lots of clones or crapy character
 

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On Tom Nook being the AC rep, that is something I agree with, since no one else makes quite as much sense. For a AC male and/or female, that character's apperance is completely diecided by the player, and thus there's no one set thing to go off of. If a character who's apperance could be customized was included in Smash, it would make much more sense to use a Mii than a ACer. Outside of that, Nook makes more sense than say Resseti and Tokeke, because both of those characters are optional, and don't play a real role in AC's "story" like Nook does. Nook is the guy you buy your house from, and the guy you buy all your stuff from. K.K. Slider is just someone you can see on weekends, and Mr. Resseti is someone you're not supposed to see anyways.

Plus the one cool thing I thought could work with Nook is that he could have Mario's Tanuki powers. :p
 

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You see Tom Nook basically the whole game.

Mona appears to be wario's love interest.

Little Mac is a Shoe-in

Sukapon was considered for Melee AND Brawl.

The way I set up pokemon was to where every gen got a rep.

Do you think Mario will get another rep? If so, it will likely be Toad.

Well, Yoshi is in need of another rep. but I think Kamek is very deserving

Show me your roster so I can respond to it. (I wasn't a member when you made a roster...)
 
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I would be fine with a nameless AW team of units, PT style, but A facet o asign to a character seems to be important, so Andy can have that spot.

As for the roster, I think Plusle and Minum is dumb- Anyone else is better. Yoshi series does not need changing or another rep. Same for Wario. I don't care about Animal Crossing gettng a rep, so meh.
 

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popularity plays a part reading hero dood's post made it seem like he put characters for sake of rep ashley is popular
 

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Mona is more. Her fanbase is largest. Also, she is his love interest in the games.

Upon looking up Mewtwo in the smash wiki, I found this:

Hacking has revealed Mewtwo to have been partially programmed, possessing its own character model and victory tune. It is possible that this data simply existed for referential purposes by the programmers, or that data was imported from Melee for some reason. Further hacking has revealed that Mewtwo's sound when selected on the character selection screen is also intact, supporting the theory it was planned for Brawl but was scrapped in development. Other sounds have reportedly been found such as Shadow Ball, Teleport, and a loud yelling noise with Mewtwo's voice, possibly suggesting he even had a Final Smash programmed. This is possible proof that Mewtwo was left out due to time constraints.

Mewtwo was planned to be playable in Super Smash Bros. for the N64; unfortunately, it was left out due to time constraints. It shares this trait with Peach, Bowser, Pit, King Dedede, and Meowth. Out of these characters, Meowth is currently the only character who was not a Smasher in at least one game.


This is interesting.
 

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Which one of these traits make a Character the most deserving?

History

Moves

Popularity

important Roles

games

company

overall importance

Which one of these makes the most deserving characters. pick one.
with this, its easier to determine good Characters for SSB4.
I hope SSB4 is real!
 

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On Tom Nook being the AC rep, that is something I agree with, since no one else makes quite as much sense. For a AC male and/or female, that character's apperance is completely diecided by the player, and thus there's no one set thing to go off of. If a character who's apperance could be customized was included in Smash, it would make much more sense to use a Mii than a ACer. Outside of that, Nook makes more sense than say Resseti and Tokeke, because both of those characters are optional, and don't play a real role in AC's "story" like Nook does. Nook is the guy you buy your house from, and the guy you buy all your stuff from. K.K. Slider is just someone you can see on weekends, and Mr. Resseti is someone you're not supposed to see anyways.

Plus the one cool thing I thought could work with Nook is that he could have Mario's Tanuki powers. :p
AC Player: Yet sakurai picked generic ones fine for the BG Of Smashville...And he picked one when he gave the reason. His reason was not being able to fight, thus Tom Nook wouldn't make sense either.

Nook really doesn't do as much as people think he does in the game. Really; If generic was that much of a problem to Sakurai, we would've gotten nook, but It's the fighting part.

As for rest of the roster stuff:

You see Tom Nook basically the whole game.
Mona appears to be wario's love interest.
Little Mac is a Shoe-in
Sukapon was considered for Melee AND Brawl.
The way I set up pokemon was to where every gen got a rep.
Do you think Mario will get another rep? If so, it will likely be Toad.
Well, Yoshi is in need of another rep. but I think Kamek is very deserving
Show me your roster so I can respond to it. (I wasn't a member when you made a roster...)
AC: Not really.
WW: Yeah, If WW Get's another rep, I'd be fine with mona.
LM: Wait when did I say anything here? I'm just wtf'd on why pit is out.
Sukapon: Yeah, and If you have ridley on there, there's no excuse to not include him.
Poke: Well, better than putting in "5TH GEN REP LOL"
Mario: It deserves 6 Reps if Poke has 6 reps for sure. I personally think we'll just get one.
Yoshi: It's not "In need" The only series I can truly say is in need of a character is F-Zero.

And I never made a roster mainly based upon my opinion's here, but I have made this pic a while ago: (Explanations are below, for all people going "WAIT WHYS LUCARIO ON THERE" or "WAIT WHY ?" or "WAIT WHY NO LITTLE MAC")


45: I went with 45 Because really, the increasements have only been in 10-15. 50 Is just too far and 40 Just seems like too little of an update to me, so I just went with 45.
Mario: While I don't think Geno is the most likely for the slot, I already had his pic. This could also be BJ Or PM.
DK: Why not? Tho I wouldn't be annoyed If we got no newcomer here...
Yoshi/Wario: I don't feel they need another rep, especially before other franchises
LoZ: It's pretty fine as is; Tingle would be cool or Vaati If they used him more, but I'd just rather have this stuff as dlc or just not in at all.
Pokemon: Lucario = Current rep. If there's to be a 5th or 6th or w/e rep, then It would get in over lucario and we'd see lucario where we see Mewtwo and Pichu (I abuse the idea don't I? :laugh: )
F-Zero: Who disagrees with F-Zero needing a second rep?
Metroid: Self-Explanatory. Hey sakurai; This is much better than working on Sticker's or Masterpieces.
Mother: Bias, and Mega-Man is there close to him. Claus would make a great 3rd rep to the series and would make an interesting character to smash, and is pretty much first in-line, but the series is so small...
Starfox: Hi falco. Hi slot that's a question mark that we don't know why until the end of this post.
FE: Read pokemon's lucario for explination on why michiah's here. If we're to get a third rep It'll probably be the newest one (Possibly roy still) And currently asides from the FE1 remake she's the newest...
Kirby: Who doesn't think It's fine? Well daroach would be cool but that goes under ridiculous. Period.

And for explinations on the rest:
?: Didn't feel all veterans as welcome or so, and honestly I was going for as close to as original as possible, so this spot is simply for future downloadable content. It's a possibility If Wii HD Comes true, but If not, feel free to burn my house down for the lack of some veterans. :laugh:

Third-Parties: I feel there should be two more asides from Sonic and Snake. No more, No less. I put Chrono in to accompany geno but I personally think our second rep is pointing towards Travis Touchdown (Hey, sakurai, you put snake in. no double standards plz).

Retro/Standalones: I personally don't even think the ACer will make it onto the roster and think LM's chances > His, but I already had the render and everything so I just stuffed ACer onto there like with Geno, as a kinda "ANOTHER NINTENDO REP" Or I guess you could call him a retro; But I had to push out rob to go for sukapon just to keep it to 45.

Anyhow; It's more of a "What I Want/Would like to see" Rather than a "WELL THIS IS PROBABLE DUE TO THIS REASON" (see: chrono, acer, geno) And of course with some as placeholders, like Geno technically meaning "5th Mario Rep" due to being lazy.

discuss I guess.
 

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Mewtwo was planned to be playable in Super Smash Bros. for the N64; unfortunately, it was left out due to time constraints. It shares this trait with Peach, Bowser, Pit, King Dedede, and Meowth. Out of these characters, Meowth is currently the only character who was not a Smasher in at least one game.
This is half true; Bowser, Mewtwo, and King Dedede were planned for Smash 64. Peach, Pit, and Meowth were not.


@Wendy O.: While that roster has a lot of problems, none of them matter as much as the size of that image. Shrink it, yo.
 

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I am really doubting Travis Touchdown.
The most likely third party is Mega man, of course.
After him.....I would say that Bomberman is next in line, but I think we won't get more than one.
I REALLY doubt that falco will leave. (Even if he should.)
I don't like the ACer, mainly becouse I hate generic characters. Nook is more likely becouse of his role.
WAIT WHY NO LITTLE MAC!!?? He would get in waaay before Sukapon would.
K. Rool = Alright.
I know you hate this, but it probobly won't be Miciah. A new FE lord will fit that spot.
Lucario shouldn't be back either, on a count of Mewtwo. (PTHHHH...I wish.)
 

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AC Player: Yet sakurai picked generic ones fine for the BG Of Smashville...And he picked one when he gave the reason. His reason was not being able to fight, thus Tom Nook wouldn't make sense either.

Nook really doesn't do as much as people think he does in the game. Really; If generic was that much of a problem to Sakurai, we would've gotten nook, but It's the fighting part.
Well the questions is more along the lines on who is the most likely AC character, rather if they can fight. That question is a different one completely. (And quite frankly either the AC human or Tom Nook could do work, since other non-combat characters have workd as well) And the AC Human being in the background doesn't really reflect how he would have to be delt with when he's a PC. (And again, as I've said, the Mii just works better for that type of role)

And Nook really is the most important NPC, bar none. Given that his fighting style would likely revolve around using non-combative items, it wouldn't really be generic either.
 

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What trait makes the most deserving character for SSB4? please tell me, or just say you don't know.

I look at Riolu to be a fun character for SSB4. I'll make a moveset that seperates him from lucario eventually. I talk about the Riolu from pokemon mystery dungeons: explorers of sky. his aura spheres would always be wobbly and faster.
 

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Which one of these traits make a Character the most deserving?

History

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Popularity

important Roles

games

company

overall importance

Which one of these makes the most deserving characters. pick one.
with this, its easier to determine good Characters for SSB4.
I hope SSB4 is real!
This is what I posted! this is the question that needed to be answered.
 

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This is half true; Bowser, Mewtwo, and King Dedede were planned for Smash 64. Peach, Pit, and Meowth were not.


@Wendy O.: While that roster has a lot of problems, none of them matter as much as the size of that image. Shrink it, yo.
Wendy O? And I fixed the image. Shrinkified...Feel free to point out problems now.

BJ. lol.

Oh yeah and page stretch, what.
Fixed.

and lol I know right?

I am really doubting Travis Touchdown.
The most likely third party is Mega man, of course.
After him.....I would say that Bomberman is next in line, but I think we won't get more than one.
I REALLY doubt that falco will leave. (Even if he should.)
I don't like the ACer, mainly becouse I hate generic characters. Nook is more likely becouse of his role.
WAIT WHY NO LITTLE MAC!!?? He would get in waaay before Sukapon would.
K. Rool = Alright.
I know you hate this, but it probobly won't be Miciah. A new FE lord will fit that spot.
Lucario shouldn't be back either, on a count of Mewtwo. (PTHHHH...I wish.)
Touchdown: http://www.destructoid.com/suda-51-wants-travis-touchdown-in-smash-bros--138979.phtml - I really don't know. 2nd 3rd party is up in the air.
Michiah/Lucario: I know. They're the current series rep and they're only there because I didn't want to put a box saying "NEXT FE/POKE REP LOL".
Little Mac: Because I feel If anyone from a new franchise is to get booted out in favor for LM, It's ACer, but sukapon could get booted too. He's my ideal character 46...I just got lazy with renders near the end. (Basically think of ACer as "next new franchise" And sukapon as "Next new retro")

Those are my comments.

Well the questions is more along the lines on who is the most likely AC character, rather if they can fight. That question is a different one completely. (And quite frankly either the AC human or Tom Nook could do work, since other non-combat characters have workd as well) And the AC Human being in the background doesn't really reflect how he would have to be delt with when he's a PC. (And again, as I've said, the Mii just works better for that type of role)

And Nook really is the most important NPC, bar none. Given that his fighting style would likely revolve around using non-combative items, it wouldn't really be generic either.
I agree that nook's the most important NPC, but that's not really saying much, and It is relevant because that and the Nintendog AT Shows that he can simply pick one. If he was to say "AN AC CHARACTER IS NOT IN BRAWL" In an interview where he said it couldn't fight is where he showed an image of the ACer, thus being that If It was able to or If he decided to do so instead of working on SSE That we would've gotten ACer instead.

And of course, alt costumes If you really had to put the girl in too...+ We've gotten PT...And they literatly just gave him the name of "PT"
 
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MarioRocks: I don't know

I really don't like the roster on the previous page, but hey you can like what you like...(I want Peppy in for a star fox rep >.>)
 

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Sorry, but Riolu has about the same chances as Black Mage.

What makes a character deserving:
(Or what plays a role in making him deserving)

History
Importants
Popularity
Game sales
Location game is released
How much Sakurai knows about him

Thats about it. (there could be more.)

Moves have nothing to do with it.

That character will not make it in.
It just seems you have a knack for detecting hopeless characters ;)
 

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MarioRocks: I don't know

I really don't like the roster on the previous page, but hey you can like what you like...(I want Peppy in for a star fox rep >.>)
You can state why. I'm just saying why I didn't put them on. Really; in short about a few people seem "WTF" On the most:

Michiah/Lucario - The "Most Recent" Reps, of course as time goes by they'd get replaced.
Geno - Really, I'd be fine with any 5th rep that isn't something like Waluigi or Daisy.
Sukapon/ACer - Personal bias, but realistically speaking/my wants/not lazy speaking: Little Mac really does have priority over one of them, so just pretend one of them is him.
Chrono - Could be a different 3rd party rep. I mainly put him to go with geno.
 

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@ Streets of Rage character : But he is less likely than Sora....in other words, he won't make it.

Little Mac takes priority over all retro characters. From now to the next smash, He will probably have ANOTHER wii game. Punch Out!! could get 2 reps.
 

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Sorry, but Riolu has about the same chances as Black Mage.

What makes a character deserving:
(Or what plays a role in making him deserving)

History
Importance
Popularity
Game sales
Location game is released
How much Sakurai knows about him

That's about it. (there could be more.)

Bomberman, and paper mario bring things to the table.
 

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The Importance factor was a huge thing for Lucario, as his movie came out around the time of development, I think. Just throwing that out there.
 
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